"Galloway will be brought down and that is all that counts in the end"

[CatWoman]

so sayeth the Freepers.

Poor idiotic fuckers.

Reality is a bitch, aint it?

To: Pikamax

Coleman was just being a prosecutor. he wasn't challenging the slanderous statements, boldface lies about America or hysterical claims about the sanctions. But it was still a mistake to call this up to teh stand.

To: Brit_Guy

I saw some of it and he didn't disappoint, he acted like I thought he would, dodging questions and puffing himself up in the process. Coleman and Levin did let him ramble on and didn't slam him when needed, especially after the Israel crack.

To: Brit_Guy
He said: "I am not now nor have I ever been an oil trader and neither has anyone on my behalf."

Wow! It almost has the ring of a MONICA denial to it does it not?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1404983/posts

[Maestro]

1. For someone to even insinuate

that a consensual act between adults, however morally it might have been, can not compare to the shite that *ushco is promoting. Freepers priorities are so screwed! I hope Galloway is completely exonerated.

[oasis]

2. "U.S. companies were the biggest violators of sanctions against Iraq

in connivance with the U.S. government"

So why is Normie only investigating the Russians, French and Germans in connection with the "food for oil" scandal?


:dunce:

[bleedingheart]

3. Don't care what the mule-f*ckers think...

bunch of bone heads.

[Mugweed]

27. Idiot sheep

Freepers are not worth the skidmarks in a bum's underwear.

[Catherine Vincent]

4. I am sure Galloway is prepared for the slandering he is about to receive.

[Flying Dream Blues]

5. I agree..

by everything he's said so far, I think the man can take it. Where are OURS?

[xray s]

6. freeper sewer rats

they are always stunned when they are exposed to bright sunlight. best time to bash them, if you are lucky enough to have a louisville slugger in your hands.

[PassingFair]

7. Idiot Freeper....

...doesn't recognize the hint of a HUAC slapdown when he hears it.

[knowbody0]

8. im betting he has a bit of halliburton info in his sack

[omega minimo]

9. Depends on what the meaning of "PACK OF LIES"

is.

Depends on what the meaning of "never been an OIL TRADER" is.

[LynnTheDem]

10. "Galloway will be brought down"??? ROTFL!!!

One can always count on a good laugh from the freepers.

:rofl:

[Berserker]

11. How in the hell can they even bring

Clinton into this. It's like a child grasping for anything after a lie is told.

BartCop

[GoldenOldie]

12. Brought down by who?

He has already won his Parliment seat in a landslide. He has won his law suit in Britan.

Will they somehow find him as another sucide victim?

[malaise]

28. He'll be bringing them down too

lots of peeps are talking about his comments yesterday.

[applegrove]

13. It seems he was one of many people who benefited somehow

from a relationship with Saddam Hussein during the Oil for Food Sanctions.

He should be treated no different than any of the rest.

Though I like his spunk.

You guys really have to try out the Parliamentary system. To keep puppets at bay.

[twenty4blackbirds]

14. He didn't benefit

from a relationship with Saddam Hussein during the Oil for Food Sanctions.

An excerpt from another post I made to another thread:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4556113.stm
Obviously the Senate got an answer to the first question, that Galloway did not profit from oil dealings with Saddam Hussein - the more complete and elaborate answer being that Galloway has never been involved in oil dealings with Saddam Hussein, that his charity Mariam's Appeal received donations from a businessman who was a "representative of some of the world's biggest companies in Iraq" who "did a vast amount of business with Iraq". (30.25)

more

(on edit: woops, I think I misspelled Mariam)
ciao,

[applegrove]

15. Simply being in contact with Saddam and feeling sympathy for the

tyrant, and agreeing with him on policy meant the MP was a victim. Saddam needed to have scandals at the ready in Russia, France, England, etc. You know influence he could have or sympathy. So perhaps the guy had no idea he got oil quotas and that his friend sold them and made money. And that the money to the charity was payment..perhaps the guy didn't know how the system worked.

Doesn't matter.

It was still Saddam currying favor and making a man stand up in the House of Commons and be against any invasion of Iraq. Saddam needed that. Saddam hoodwinked Nelson Mandela & other anti-apartheid leaders too.

It is all about Saddam messing with people's thinking and gaining influence or sympathy in places all over the world (USA right wing too). Saddam has no feelings - so the moment you 'feel for the guy' is the moment you become nuts. And you walk around making wrong headed decisions.

Galloway was brilliant to compare himself to Rumsfield because Rumsfiled fell for the same stick. Only Rumsfield was being sold peace in the middle east and American Big Oil access to oil by selling weapons. Surely a more serious mistake that Galloway - if Galloway really wanted to help the starving kids and that was the motivation and mind-set that Saddam sold him.

Until they get the forensic accountants in there..you do not know how much of the starving was purposely caused by Saddam and how much was not. And neither does Galloway.

I am glad Galloway said the things he did. But he was a pasty of Saddam. There are no other forms of life in Saddam's world. Cheney, Rumsfield, Reagan, Kirkpatrick, Wolfowitz, Bush Sr....all patsies of Saddam Hussein at one time or another. All lurned into being covered with slime.

[LynnTheDem]

16. He WHAT????????!!!

Please. Try to research facts before making such incorrect remarks.

[applegrove]

23. His foundation got a certain amount of money from his 'best friend' and

that is a benefit.

Someone with a big heart could have a pound of flesh extracted from them just like some money-hungry right wing Bush fund-raiser. Or a Russian or a French politician who liked the money.

Or just like some power hungry and big oil neocon in the 1980s who were supporting Saddam Hussein with military help because he militarily fulfilled some right wing USA need.

Different drugs for different people.

If Galloway is all heart..why would that give him a pass on being lured into helping Saddam get out of sanctions. If the person who sold certain Iraqi oil contracts then donated some of that to Galloway's charity.

Nelson Mandela was also used. Saddam gave Kenneth Kaunda a nice place to live and no doubt played the race card there. Which affected Kofi Annan. They all thought Saddam was being attacked for racist reasons.

Makes you wonder why the neocons were so insistent on attacking the freak for reasons other than human rights abuses (which were multiple and involved starvation, murder, draining farmland, starting wars, raping people, gassing Kurds, etc. etc.). Of course reasons to not go into Iraq on human rights reasons were numerous .. one being that UN procurement laws would not come into effect. Also, they create a precedent for their perpetual wars based on need to undo the potential military power of 'others' rather than legitimate human rights abuses. But I would hazard that the egos of Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfield are such that they would want to go to war and not have to rehash their own hypocrisy as to human rights in the area in the 1980s. If they went to war on Saddam because of the millions who had died at Saddam's hands (suicide bomber bonuses in Palestine too) their complicity would be front & centre as they encouraged him to fight a war with Iran after the revolution.

That is why it was so poignant and right on for Galloway to point out that Rumsfield had made the same mistakes he had..only for lesser reasons (military vs. stopping starvation).

But Galloway still allowed himself to be used by Saddam. During the Oil for Food scandal. How could you leave him out of the investigation.

Me, I look forward to the further investigation into the American corporations who 'dealt with the devil' and profited enormously.

I don't think that Galloway will be brought down any more than he has been. Because he may be innocent of making money and perhaps was not aware that millions of dollars of oil were sold in his name.

[LynnTheDem]

24. Wrong.

Are you getting your "facts" from Fox News Canadian edition?

[applegrove]

25. His foundation didn't get money? n/t

[LynnTheDem]

29. Not from any Iraqi oil money. If you have proof otherwise, better let US

Senate know, so they can retract their admission that they have no proof that Galloway and/or his charity ever received a cent of Iraq oil money. Of course America is into "guilty without any burden of proof whatsoever", but when did Canadians start doing likewise?

You are aware of the fact that twice now his charity has been audited in the UK because of these allegations, and no suspicious sums of money were found? That as a member of the British Parliament, Galloway himself was under constant security watch?

And don't you find it...strange...that this "middleman" has never been contacted or questioned in any way shape or form by the US Senate, that this "middleman" denies the Senate's accusations against Galloway, and that in fact this same "middleman" is dealing with the USA, with bush administration knowledge and authority, as a middleman between Iraq and the USA?

Or strange that the "documents" the US Senate claim as evidence against Galloway say the very same thing those proven forged documents said against Galloway?

By the way, you seem to think wanting US sanctions lifted against Iraq = "Saddam supporter". Gee, that would include the vast majority of the world and even the US Senate, who have been trying since the early 1990s to get those sanctions lifted.

You also seem to believe Galloway was a "Saddam supporter", when in fact that's untrue.

Maybe someday America will investigate the real culprits; the nation who was in charge of monitoring the Oil for Food program and who allowed illicit oil money profiteering to occur under their "watch" (that would be America), and the US companies who account for 52% of that illicit money, including the president of Halliburton at the time, Cheney the Dick.

Nahhhhhhh. That's why the US is bullshitting now about Galloway; specifically to avoid any investigating into the real culprits.

[applegrove]

32. I'm with you on much of what you say. But middleman was best man

at somebody's wedding (or perhaps the other way around). And said middleman did sell Oil.

Absolutely agree that many right wing US companies or people are much more heavily involved. I cannot wait for the investigation get into that.

Galloway seems like someone who could have been unwitting or naive or was doing it to save lives. But he went toe to toe with Saddam and met with him and played a role in Saddam's big game.

The good news about Galloway is that if he is the most innocent of Saddam's dupes... it will make a great foil to Rumsfield in the 1980s and all the others.

I agree we need the evidence to come out on the people who did it for the money.

As to whether African elders will be investigated because Saddam co-opted them with respect and playing the race card (playing into those very real fears they have).. I think not. But Kaunda benefited from living like a king in Iraq after leaving his new democracy of Zambia a decade late .. and being vulnerable to accusations at home (not so much human rights abuses perhaps..but you know.. favoritism & money)..and having a nice place to settle in Iraq. Where Saddam would have serenaded him with love and respect that a "father of confederation & revolutionary in Southern Africa" might expect he deserves. Of course Saddam would tie himself up in the integrity of these African leaders who fought a brutal fight against apartheid and colonialism and left true democracies in their wakes (I don't know what happened to Mugabe... that is so sad that he hasn't retired in a democratic way).

I think that Galloway may be a victim of Saddam in that regard.

Yes - there is much to hide. And the wider the USA spreads the net.. the more sympathy they may garner for their own dam mistakes over 35 years.

[LynnTheDem]

33. Fact: there is no proof whatsoever, and the US Senate admits it, that

Galloway ever received one single penny from said middleman or from anything to do with Iraq in any way, shape or form.

Fact: Galloway's charity was twice cleared by the UK's Charities Commission.

Fact: The "middleman" doesn't just trade in Iraq oil, and the US is currently trading in Iraq oil with said "middleman".

Fact: Anyone can contribute to charities, and charities have no way of knowing where a person's money comes from. "Middleman" is not a wanted criminal and is acknowledged as a legit businessman even by the US Senate.

Fact: Galloway fought long and hard for the PEOPLE of Iraq, NOT for Saddam Hussein, which in Fact Galloway has often criticized and called a "brutal dictator".

Fact: Galloway certainly was no "dupe" of Saddam Hussein's, and I really have no clue where you get the idea that he was.

As a Canadian citizen (dual) I am very disappointed to see a fellow Canadian accuse and condemn anyone as guilty when there is, in fact, NO PROOF whatsoever of any such guilt, and when the facts that are available actually support innocence. It's a tragedy that so many Americans now do "guilty without worrying about any proof"; I hope with all my heart & soul it won't become a Canadian thing.

[notadmblnd]

36. The middleman A guy names Zurikat (sp?)

was in bussiness to buy and sell oil in Iraq. He was also involved in many other business dealings in Iraq. Zurikat's wealth is very vastand his income comes from many sources. I believe he has been investigated/charged in the food for oil scandal.

Whether or not money donated to Galloway's charity by Zurikat came from oil deals should be what the senate goes after Zurikat for. But no, instead they smear Galloway while at the same time the US is giving Zurikat permission to continue making oil deals in Iraq.

[applegrove]

37. Like I've said before, just by presenting himself to Saddam, he made

himself vulnerable to the slime. He could have been blackmailed. I agree there is no paper trail. I agree it was likely a donation. I put him up there with the African leaders who were so slimed by their association with Saddam.

I do say - like Galloway pointed out - it will be interesting to see his dealings with Saddam (somewhat innocent) to those of the neocons (trading arms with Saddam) and all the the people inside and outside the USA who made millions during the sanctions.

I think Saddam will extract a huge pound of flesh from them all when he testifies at his trial.

[twenty4blackbirds]

41. I'm not judge or jury

There's probably a saying out there along the lines of "lie down with dogs and get up with fleas".

I think I may understand your context and I disagree with it.

I disagree that Galloway could in any way have been honestly blackmailed with truthful information (cf. the 'forged list' vs 'fake information in the list'). I disagree that a (unproven) donation to the Mariam Appeal equates to Galloway receiving Oil For Food money. I disagree that Galloway was ever a Saddam apologist.

I agree with the opinion that Galloway did his best for the Iraqi people as best he knew how. Including meeting up with their oppressor to try to convince him to relent. It looks like the meeting involved flattery and courtesy (even though Saddam doesn't deserve it).

I'm not saying Galloway is an Oskar Schindlar. He isn't the first person in history to fraternise with the enemy to try to achieve good ends.

{One of the first stories I'd read about this method was probably in the Old Testament. Queen Esther somebody.}

[napi21]

17. Galloway has dontended with much more than this foolishness

in the Parliment. Our Senators are wooses compared to any of those folks! They're so used to "My distinguished Senator on the other side of the isle" talk, they have NO idea how to even fight him!

The biggest joke was when Coleman said "if he lied before this body, he's pay the price!" He said that in an interview following the hearing. I almost choaked! First, I don't think he lied! But even if he did, just what in the hell punishment do you have in mind, Norm??? Gonna go to Blair and tell him to beat him up? Total BS!!!!

[bemildred]

18. I would bet that Mr. Galloway is a source of considerable pride

to his fellows citizens today. A stirring and manly image
compared to Tony the Poodle.

[Coexist]

19. Hey Idiot - it is a play on MC CARTHY not LEWINSKY

He said: "I am not now nor have I ever been an oil trader and neither has anyone on my behalf."

Wow! It almost has the ring of a MONICA denial to it does it not?

MORANS!

[lala_rawraw]

20. This is why I don't go there

Because it just makes me angry and while there are a few people their who are actually "real" republicans, the rest are theocrats.

Ewwww, I feel all covered in shit just reading that. I went to CU twice to read and noticed that they try to mirror our conversations and use lies and insults to communicate. There is no point in going to those places other than to prepare for war, lmao:D

[geniph]

21. I knew it! The Freepers have put my mind to rest...

...Clinton's penis WAS responsible for the oil-for-food scandals! I knew it! The Great and Powerful Clenis strikes again!

But seriously - a "Monica" denial? Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Clinton's been out of office for 5 years now. Get a new obsession, wouldya?

[CatWoman]

22. damn that magnificent dick!!!!!

DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!!!!

:hi:

[trumad]

26. You know it curves left...

[spanone]

30. Galloway was a Total Breath of Fresh Air....

I hope he's kept his papers in order, cause you can bet they will be digging into his past.

[noiretextatique]

31. it shows you the power of (self) delusion

avoidance (of the truth) and denial. the freepers truly live in a parallel universe.

[CatWoman]

35. Noiretblu!!!!!!!

:hi:

So very nice to see you!!!!!

[noiretextatique]

42. likewise

:loveya:

[KoKo]

34. Why post Freeper Trash here to demoralize folks.

:shrug: Who cares what they think. Why spend time over there?

[CatWoman]

38. I take great delight in witnessing their complete lack of reality

as do others here.

[Just Me]

39. PROOF of success!!! Yes?

Yes.

[Liberal In Texas]

40. That's what they think, anybody telling the truth will be brought down.

I wonder if they were actually able to follow what he said without Rush, Hannity or one of the other RW spin liars interpreting for them, so they would know how to think.

Morans.