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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:12 PM
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Virginity or Death!! (Fundie madness)
Edited on Tue May-17-05 09:19 PM by meganmonkey
Virginity or Death!
Katha Pollitt

Imagine a vaccine that would protect women from a serious gynecological cancer. Wouldn't that be great? Well, both Merck and GlaxoSmithKline recently announced that they have conducted successful trials of vaccines that protect against the human papilloma virus. HPV is not only an incredibly widespread sexually transmitted infection but is responsible for at least 70 percent of cases of cervical cancer, which is diagnosed in 10,000 American women a year and kills 4,000. Wonderful, you are probably thinking, all we need to do is vaccinate girls (and boys too for good measure) before they become sexually active, around puberty, and HPV--and, in thirty or forty years, seven in ten cases of cervical cancer--goes poof. Not so fast: We're living in God's country now. The Christian right doesn't like the sound of this vaccine at all. "Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful," Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council told the British magazine New Scientist, "because they may see it as a license to engage in premarital sex." Raise your hand if you think that what is keeping girls virgins now is the threat of getting cervical cancer when they are 60 from a disease they've probably never heard of.

--snip--

Christian conservatives have a special reason to be less than thrilled about the HPV vaccine. Although not as famous as chlamydia or herpes, HPV has the distinction of not being preventable by condoms. It's Exhibit A in those gory high school slide shows that try to scare kids away from sex, and it is also useful for undermining the case for rubbers generally--why bother when you could get HPV anyway? In 2000, Congressman (now Senator) Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, who used to give gruesome lectures on HPV for young Congressional aides, even used HPV to propose warning labels on condoms. With HPV potentially eliminated, the antisex brigade will lose a card it has regarded as a trump unless it can persuade parents that vaccinating their daughters will turn them into tramps, and that sex today is worse than cancer tomorrow. According to New Scientist, 80 percent of parents want the vaccine for their daughters--but their priests and pastors haven't worked them over yet.


What is it with these right-wing Christians? Faced with a choice between sex and death, they choose death every time. No sex ed or contraception for teens, no sex for the unwed, no condoms for gays, no abortion for anyone--even for that poor 13-year-old pregnant girl in a group home in Florida. I would really like to hear the persuasive argument that this middle-schooler with no home and no family would have been better off giving birth against her will, and that the State of Florida, which totally failed to keep her safe, should have been allowed, against its own laws, to compel this child to bear a child. She was too young to have sex, too young to know her own mind about abortion--but not too young to be forced onto the delivery table for one of the most painful experiences human beings endure, in which the risk of death for her was three times as great as in abortion. Ah, Christian compassion! Christian sadism, more likely. It was the courts that showed humanity when they let the girl terminate her pregnancy.

As they flex their political muscle, right-wing Christians increasingly reveal their condescending view of women as moral children who need to be kept in line sexually by fear. That's why antichoicers will never answer the call of prochoicers to join them in reducing abortions by making birth control more widely available: They want it to be less available. Their real interest goes way beyond protecting fetuses--it's in keeping sex tied to reproduction to keep women in their place. If preventing abortion was what they cared about, they'd be giving birth control and emergency contraception away on street corners instead of supporting pharmacists who refuse to fill prescriptions and hospitals that don't tell rape victims about the existence of EC. David Hager (see Ayelish McGarvey's stunning exposé, and keep in mind that unlike godless me she is a churchgoing evangelical Christian) would never use his position with the FDA to impose his personal views of sexual morality on women in crisis. Instead of blocking nonprescription status for emergency contraception on the specious grounds that it will encourage teen promiscuity, he would take note of the six studies, three including teens, that show no relation between sexual activity and access to EC. He would be calling the loudest for Plan B to be stocked with the toothpaste in every drugstore in the land. How sexist is denial of Plan B? Antichoicers may pooh-pooh the effectiveness of condoms, but they aren't calling to restrict their sale in order to keep boys chaste.

more...

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050530&s=pollitt
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:16 PM
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1. The decision between sex and death.
Have you seen the results when the fundies choose sex?




LEt's hope they decide to completly stop procreating altogether.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:26 PM
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5. Aaaaarrgh! My eyes! My eyes!
The burning!
:o
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:20 PM
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2. Unfortunately people who
would stand in the way this see the ensuing deaths as God's punishment on those who don't live according to their beliefs.
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:20 PM
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3. I keep explaining that Christianity is a DEATH CULT
But nobody listens....

They worship a dead guy.
They eat a dead guy's flesh. (protestants symbolically, catholics literally...transubstantiation and all that)
They believe that when they die they get new young bodies and will be new and young and healthy (and dead) for eternity.

THEY ARE A DEATH CULT! THEY WORSHIP DEATH!!!! They want every fucking person on this whole Godforsaken planet to hurry up and DIE so they will all get their just reward; whether that is heaven or hell.

DEATH okay? DEATH! I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:35 PM
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7. I'm not sure I understand...
Could you repeat that, maybe reword it fo rme?

:P
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:51 PM
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9. I also refer to it as "The Nazarene Death Cult"...
because its an apt description
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:21 PM
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4. I don't know why they think these scare tactics will be so effective.
Telling kids that condoms don't work, or that pregnancy can result from necking, or that they'll burn in hell forever, or that they'll die many years later from a terrible disease ... these warnings are no match for young human hormones.

Hell, even not so young human hormones shouldn't be trifled with...
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:28 PM
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6. Yet, it's moreso Rethugs who cheat.. who buy sex...
...and who enjoy the nasty Gannon-Guckert things in life..

Disgusting creatures on the inside.. lying, cheating, "pretend Christians" on the outside. }(
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:44 PM
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8. Great article and one of the best summaries EVER on that FL teen
In fact, so good it's worth repeating:

What is it with these right-wing Christians? Faced with a choice between sex and death, they choose death every time. No sex ed or contraception for teens, no sex for the unwed, no condoms for gays, no abortion for anyone--even for that poor 13-year-old pregnant girl in a group home in Florida. I would really like to hear the persuasive argument that this middle-schooler with no home and no family would have been better off giving birth against her will, and that the State of Florida, which totally failed to keep her safe, should have been allowed, against its own laws, to compel this child to bear a child. She was too young to have sex, too young to know her own mind about abortion--but not too young to be forced onto the delivery table for one of the most painful experiences human beings endure, in which the risk of death for her was three times as great as in abortion. Ah, Christian compassion! Christian sadism, more likely. It was the courts that showed humanity when they let the girl terminate her pregnancy.
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valis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:53 PM
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10. Fuck, one of my research assistants is a fundie!
I had no idea... She really believe Jesus will come down soon and interview each one of us...
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 09:59 PM
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11. That's bizarre in and of itself, but to think that
Jesus wanted you to vote or bush**?! That's where I really lose comprehension :crazy:
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:29 PM
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12. What, like an exit interview? That's a new one...
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 12:53 PM
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13. moralism is a friend to pestilence
I wonder whether the objectors are aware that it is also possible to get HPV from sex that one did not consent to. You'd think that protection from disease would always be a good thing -- especially in that case.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 01:42 PM
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14. You'd think
although, thinking is a skill not everyone possesses, apparently :crazy:
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