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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:55 PM
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Galloway to Hitchens: you're a drink-soaked former-Trotskyite popinjay
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1486417,00.html

<snip>

Before the hearing began, the MP for Bethnal Green and Bow even had some scorn left over to bestow generously upon the pro-war writer Christopher Hitchens. "You're a drink-soaked former-Trotskyist popinjay," Mr Galloway informed him. "Your hands are shaking. You badly need another drink," he added later, ignoring Mr Hitchens's questions and staring intently ahead.

"And you're a drink-soaked..." Eventually Mr Hitchens gave up. "You're a real thug, aren't you?" he hissed, stalking away.

More…
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:57 PM
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1. LOL :)
Edited on Tue May-17-05 06:57 PM by tridim
"drink-soaked former-Trotskyite popinjay".. It's amazing how easily that rolls off the tongue. Perfect description of Hitchens, even though I don't know what a popinjay is.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:00 PM
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4. popinjay is a great word...
look it up. Seriously.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:06 PM
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11. Popinjay is a classic English word
A vain or conceited person, one given to pretentious displays.

It's a serious insult from a Brit.
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This deeply insulting word is now rather dated or literary. A good example can be found in Joseph Conrad’s short story The End of the Tether of 1902: “When he looked around in the club he saw only a lot of conceited popinjays too selfish to think of making a good woman happy”.

Dictionaries say a popinjay was also at one time the usual name for a parrot, and in that lies the origin of the derogatory term. What could be more gaudily and squawkingly in your face than a parrot? What more perfect term for an empty chatterer, fop or coxcomb? Who’s a pretty boy, then?
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Rather a nice word to use for the 'presstitutes' and impression managers.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-pop2.htm
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:57 PM
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25. Well that certainly fits Mr. sock in the pants chimp**
Edited on Tue May-17-05 07:58 PM by leftchick
"A vain or conceited person, one given to pretentious displays"

Mr. flyboy wannabe. Mr. dress up boy! LOL!
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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:09 PM
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27. Thanks for the definitions!!
And the addition of parrot is too excellent!
(we have a parrot in real life and can identify)

I really love to collect words that paint such pictures. Popinjay is a great word. I believe my parents called each other popinjay, but at that time it was affectionate... 50 years later the dictionary definitions fit them.lol
:)
tib
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:48 AM
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51. just substitute former -cokehead for former Trotskyite and you've got
drink-soaked, former-cokehead popinjay President.
Now who could that be.
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:14 AM
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61. These are my FAV parts from that article (which I'm sending to EVERBODY!!)
Even so, Mr Galloway was in his element, playing the role he relishes the most: the little guy squaring up for a fight with the establishment.

For these purposes, Senator Coleman served symbolically to represent all the evil in the world - the entire Republican party, the conscience of George Bush, the US government and the British government, too: no wonder his weak smile looked so nauseous.

"I gave my heart and soul to stop you committing the disaster that you did commit in invading Iraq ... senator, in everything I said about Iraq, I turned out to be right and you turned out to be wrong," Mr Galloway told him.

And yet for all his anti-establishment credentials, Mr Galloway is as practised as any of his New Labour enemies at squirming away from awkward questions. Under scrutiny by Senator Levin, he deployed a classic example of the bait-and-switch technique that is the government minister's best defence in difficult questioning.

But Mr Galloway Goes To Washington had never really been an exercise in clarifying the facts. It was an exercise in giving Norm Coleman, and, by extension, the Bush administration, a black eye - mere days after the bloody nose that the Respect MP took credit for having given Tony Blair. And it went as well as Mr Galloway could have wished.

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no wonder his weak smile looked so nauseous..........I LOVE IT!!

Coleman is a squirmly little sob isn't he? You DUers.......vote him out of office!!
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:57 PM
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2. That is the best bit of the whole thing!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Decay Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 06:59 PM
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3. Awsome!
Well fucking A!
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:00 PM
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5. That was the cherry on top!
:rofl:
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:02 PM
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6. A popinjay! How cute is that!
Man, you'd never hear Dennis Kucinich saying that.

Plus, it has the benefit of being true.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:03 PM
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7. Definition of a "Popinjay" for the trolling freepers:
Edited on Tue May-17-05 07:42 PM by brainshrub
http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/popinjay
popinjay

1. (Science: zoology) The green woodpecker. A parrot. "The pye and popyngay speak they know not what." (Tyndale)

2. A target in the form of a parrot.

3. A trifling, chattering, fop or coxcomb. "To be so pestered with a popinjay."

Origin: OE. Popingay, papejay, OF. Papegai, papegaut; cf. Pr. Papagai, Sp. & Pg. Papagayo, It. Pappagallo, LGr, NGr.; in which the first syllables are perhaps imitative of the bird's chatter, and the last either fr. L. Gallus cock, or the same word as E. Jay, F. Geai. Cf. Papagay.



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In other-words Galloway called Hitchens an "Arrogant, failed-radical, drunk hack who does not understand what he's parroting."
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:48 AM
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42. You realize you'll need to define "fop" and "coxcomb" now.
EOM
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:08 AM
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54. Fredddy The Pig! I haven't read him in 35 years!
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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:04 PM
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8. I guess even all that alcohol can't keep the truth from hurting
:rofl:

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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:05 PM
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9. Wow
:D
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:06 PM
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10. There is something there with this person. He is either the British
version of Chalaby or a complete innocent.

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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:10 PM
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12. WHY!?!?!?

WHY DO WE NOT HAVE PUBLIC SERVANTS WITH THIS MUCH COURAGE!?!?!?

Pardon my shouting, but something snapped in me today as I sat at my desk and watched this man bore a new set of holes in the American government's ass.

Where IS Thomas Paine. Where is Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams? Where the FUCK are they? Does no one in our Congress have courage to speak the truth in the harshest most severe terms possible. NO ONE!?!?!?

Damnitalltohell, why in gopod's name does it take a British man -- ya know, the people we rebelled against for oppression -- to come over here and tell US a thing or two about what bastards we have become.

WHY!?!?!?!?

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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:20 PM
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16. You hit it right on the head! nt
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:38 PM
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19. You are correct. You know.. when things have been going bad..it
is hard to believe good news when it suddenly appears. I hope he is a big hearted heroe.
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TyeDye75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:38 AM
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41. Wasnt Tom Paine born over here too?
Edited on Wed May-18-05 07:41 AM by TyeDye75
or have I got my basic US history embaressingly wrong

nevermind I just googled him, he was.... but I think his heart was definately in America
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:39 AM
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48. They're all here
in the hallowed halls of DU.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:53 AM
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53. I've figured it out.
People with that much courage can't get elected here. I'd have absolutely no problem telling Republican congressmen and the President that they are a bunch of lying, murdering narrow-minded thugs who might as well flush the Constitution down the toilet as much respect as they give it. I've been told I write well. I have no fear of public speaking. I'm intelligent enough to grasp a problem quickly if I'm not familiar with it already. I detest being surrounded by "yes men" and appreciate opposing points of view.

BUT

I do not have the wealth necessary to seed a campaign.
I have obligations to my husband and children.
Voters are swayed by experience and I have not held public office since I was in student government.

I know countless people like me who would do a hell of a job representing their constituents in Washington but just don't fit the expected mold. The man who challenged in my district in 2004 was slaughtered because he "didn't have experience." Rich coming from an incumbent who started his political career as a U.S. Rep after being a mediocre doctor.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:38 AM
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58. I think you are correct ...

And this is what we need to change. How to do that is another question entirely.

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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:10 PM
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13. Quote
"And yet for all his anti-establishment credentials, Mr Galloway is as practised as any of his New Labour enemies at squirming away from awkward questions. Under scrutiny by Senator Levin, he deployed a classic example of the bait-and-switch technique that is the government minister's best defence in difficult questioning."

Bait-and-switch? I've listened to that exchange several times now (the hearing is on a continuous loop on a BBC channel in the UK) and I'm puzzled as what this bait-and-switch might be. What I heard was a honest answer to a loaded question. That Galloway refused to give a yes or no answer to a "do you still beat your wife" styled question is to his credit.
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:31 PM
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17. What it means ...

"Bait-and-switch" is being used here as a euphemism for not falling for the bullshit tactic employed by Senator Levin to change the subject.

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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:51 AM
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43. Bait-and-switch my ass.
Edited on Wed May-18-05 07:57 AM by chalky
Demanding a yes/no answer to a question that's not about a FACT but an EMOTION is garbage.

I saw that slimy little exchange and the only thing I wished that he'd done that he didn't do was call them on THAT.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:17 PM
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14. I can't wait to read James Wolcott on this one! Hysterical!
Watch this space for Wolcott:

http://jameswolcott.com/
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:19 PM
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15. i now OFFICIALLY want to marry Galloway
Edited on Tue May-17-05 07:19 PM by matcom
and i'm straight!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:51 PM
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21. ME TOO.
Can we get some sort of a three-way?
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:19 PM
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30. Nope. You can't have him. I am second in line (next to xultar).
Hands off!!! :grr:

:bounce:

He IS something else, though,...isn't he.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:53 AM
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59. I agree - I wish I could thank him in person


for speaking truth to power. He can come to tea at my place anytime. I'd even bake a goodie with all natural ingrediants.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:33 PM
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18. Ouch. Popinjay is a serious insult, laughs aside.
Galloway is a bit thirsty himself, though.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:49 PM
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20.  "the whole lickspittle lot of them"
best description of our so-called government I have heard in some time.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:51 PM
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22. The more I hear George Galloway speak, the more I like him!
George Galloway - American Hero!
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:54 PM
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23. hitch is a 'former-Trotskyist'?
Edited on Tue May-17-05 07:54 PM by KG
who woulda thunk it.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:11 PM
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28. Yup, just like all the Neo-cons in DC....
And just like Grover Norquist.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:31 PM
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33. funny how they're commies till they start to make some money.
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:29 PM
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65. Don't forget David Horowitz, a former Marxist
Not too surprising, since many of them are fascists when you scratch the surface.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:22 PM
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32. *LOL* they assert that they are former liberals,....per the rules
Edited on Tue May-17-05 08:23 PM by Just Me
of a neo-Machiavellian professor. That would be the rules that assert it's perfectly acceptable to misrepresent what you really are, what you really intend by bullshitting and lying to others.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:54 PM
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24. Almost makes me want to register for Slate's The Fray
what they call their message board, just so I could post "drink-soaked former-Trotskyite popinjay" to the "Fighting Words" (Hitch's column) Fray!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 07:58 PM
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26.  Oh man, this guy is good!
"You're a real thug, aren't you?" he hissed, stalking away...

Poor Hitchens, but that what you get when you back a war based on A PACK OF LIES.

RL
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:13 PM
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29. Couldn't have happened to a bigger jerkoff
I never even liked this asshole when he was supposedly on "our" side.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:07 AM
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60. I believe the term you're looking for is "tosser"
or, of course, "wanker."

Hitchens being one of the primary wankers wanking away in our wanked out cultural landscape. When you see a wanker, sort 'em oot.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:21 PM
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31. Boy, I sure needed a good laugh and that one was priceless
Edited on Tue May-17-05 08:22 PM by qanda
:rofl:
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 08:38 PM
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34. An elegant way to say "Shove it!"
If they were paying attention, Democrats today could have learned a little about how to handle the malicious press as well as Republicans. We witnessed a masterful performance that has rarely been given in modern American politics-- especially since every word used now has to be run by a focus group and three consultants.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:22 AM
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35. That's the point
He was spontaneous and self-made not coached - additionally George has convictions.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:48 AM
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36. Can anyone here imagine Bush or any of his lickspittle
traveling to the UK to testify in a Parlimentary investigation of the "Blood for Oil" scandal? The image just doesn't click.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 06:49 AM
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37. I would LOVE to go sit on the Capitol Steps with a sign that says:

LICK SPITTLE POPINJAYS
the whole LOT of YOU!


on the other side:


The MOTHER of ALL SMOKESCREENS
lives in this building.

I am an ASHAMED PATRIOT!
GOD help us ALL!

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newfaceinhell Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:25 AM
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38. LOL....he had a REALLY good day!
:rofl:
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TyeDye75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:32 AM
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39. Galloway is as powerful in attack
as 10 Sean Hannitys, and he is armed witht the truth

you gotta like it
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 07:35 AM
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40. Beautiful, just BEAUTIFUL
:D
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 08:04 AM
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44. My God....
Can we get rid of Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution and make this man president?
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:11 AM
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45. Check out this photoshop of Galloway.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:17 AM
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46. LOL. That comment couldn't have happened to a better guy.
Galloway sounds like a bad mofo!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:34 AM
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47. Reminds me of speaker's corner
in Hyde Park. Love it.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:42 AM
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49. Ya gotta admire the Scots
they are the best ranters in existence, with the best curse words!
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:48 AM
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50. hitch to a gin soaked tea
lol...i love this guy
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 09:53 AM
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52. What would it take to get some Dems in Congress with that
command of the English language? Maybe if Congress were more like Parliament, they'd get better at using colorful insults... and the Repubs might be forced to say something other than the word-for-word-party-line-statement-of-the-week.
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:13 AM
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55. Amen
I've often pondered the proper insult for Hitchins. This is it!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:15 AM
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56. "... and useful idiot",
Hitchens, himself, added to the quote mentioned in the Daily Mirror today; George's full encomium, according to Hitchens being: "drink-sodden, ex-Trotskyist popinjay and useful idiot". I marvelled too at that pointed and pithy expression "useful idiot"

To Hitchen's credit with the concluding witticism of his own: "some of which is untrue...". Even neocons, I suppose, must be allowed to fantasise about limitations on their shortcomings.

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 10:20 AM
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57. In other-words Mr. Hichens, you reek of booze
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:30 AM
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62. Hitchens needs more blunt talk - maybe he'll get some help while he still
has some brain cells.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 11:54 AM
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63. Love this bit on Rumsfeld - another carefully buried fact that WE
know, like the fact that the neocon cartel are responsible for Iran's nuclear technology, but we have not yet managed to make common knowledge:

"I met Saddam Hussein exactly the same number of times as Donald Rumsfeld met him," Mr Galloway went on. "The difference is that Donald Rumsfeld met him to sell him guns, and to give him maps the better to target those guns."

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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:09 PM
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64. kicking for the evening popinjays
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:35 PM
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66. And fops
Like Yrs truly!

And don't forget the coxcombs. Some of those around too!
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-18-05 05:57 PM
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67. But not the bampots and the plonkers. They just wouldn't get it.
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