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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:02 PM
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Ds don't oppose the judges for being prolife but for being pro-corporatism
The GOP frames the debate so their prolife base will protect them while they actually appoint judges who will side with corporations over workers and consumers.

The media is conveniently avoiding the judges' pro-corporate (pro-Enron) bias.

Don't let them get away with it.

Corporatism is fascism.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:03 PM
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1. "Judge X's decisions show a proclivity towards granting special rights
to corporations rather than protecting the rights of people".

Easy, wonderful, built-in public confidence booster.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:09 PM
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2. And tag that point with the decision to let United stop paying pensions.
Now THAT type of judicial activism that benefits corporate executives and penalizes workers and consumers should be the scariest of all for most Americans.
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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:14 PM
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5. Wow - that's a great frame of the issue
Did you come up with that? Never heard it before...it subverts the language of special rights you always here the wingnuts using...

Beautiful.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:21 PM
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6. I just made it up
I make these up all the time. It seems so obvious to me that we should steal the language the Fascist Regressives have been using for so many years and turn it around on them.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 04:00 PM
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19. You should send it to the DNC....and your local paper.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:12 PM
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3. There it is
It's a sop to the religious right, a constituency they've not serviced very well (thank goodness). So they are hoping to trick them into thinking a few pro corporate judges are really pro religious judges. And so far this little deception seems to be working.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:22 PM
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7. Well, religious organizations are simply more corporations
Religion is big business in this country. Look at how Pat Robem$ome lives.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:11 PM
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12. Yeah but pat robertson is the exception not the rule
And religion is pretty unregulated. So i'm not sure what business benefit the Religious right gets out of this tht would compare to their passion on gay marriage and abortion.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:25 PM
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13. RevMoon is an A-1 fascist, and he was behind over 30yrs of fundie funding.
Edited on Mon May-16-05 02:25 PM by blm
ALL to promote fascism and theocracy.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:52 PM
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17. I don't know if my point was missed
Allow me to restate it. The things that the Religious Right Claims to want have not been addressed much by this white house - some lip service but that's about it. On the other hand the things that big business and the wealthy they have gotten they got yesterday.

The religious judges are a fient in the direction of giving the religious people what htey want, but they are just as much for the wealthy and big businesses.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 03:12 PM
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18. Not missed. ;)
I just rarely pass up an opportunity to note the alliance of Moon and the fundies and the use of religion to cover for the stinking fascism.

;))))))))))))))))
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:22 PM
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8. Well, religious organizations are simply more corporations
Religion is big business in this country. Look at how Pat Robem$ome lives.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:13 PM
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4. Speak for yourself. I oppose judges who are dangerous to civil liberty.
That includes a woman's freedom to abort, but that is far from my only civil liberty concern.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:26 PM
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10. I was speaking specifically to the GOPs frame for these particular judges
and why the Dems in Congress are opposing them while they have not opposed other, less-activist, pro-life judges.

I do understand your reply, though. My immediate concern is with the framing of the debate for the general public.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 01:24 PM
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9. You are so right.
The issue is not abortion. It is corporate power. For example, Janice Brown (California Supreme Court) wrote a dissent in Kasky v. Nike, Inc. (2002) 27 Cal.4th 939 in which she expressed her belief that corporations should pretty much have the same free speech rights as individuals and should not be required to tell the truth about their labor policies. She wants to give the big guys corporations the same free speech rights that little guy individuals enjoy under the First Amendment. That's a radical departure from existing Supreme Court precedent on this issue, and Brown, who is just a state supreme court justice, brashly criticizes the Supreme Court of the land on this issue. Here is a little of what she says. You can find this case on Findlaw -- California case law. Anyone can register for Findlaw, and it costs nothing.

Here is what she says:

Contrary to the majority's belief, our current First Amendment jurisprudence defies any simple solution. Under the commercial speech doctrine <27 Cal.4th 979> currently propounded by the United States Supreme Court, all speech is either commercial or noncommercial, and commercial speech receives less protection than noncommercial speech. ( Central Hudson Gas & Elec. Corp. v. Public Serv. Comm'n (1980) 447 U.S. 557, 562-563 <100 S.Ct. 2343, 2349-2350, 65 L.Ed.2d 341> ( Central Hudson ).) The doctrine further assumes that all commercial speech is the same under the First Amendment. Thus, all commercial speech receives the same level of lesser protection. The state may therefore ban all commercial speech "that is fraudulent or deceptive without further justification" ( Edenfield v. Fane (1993) 507 U.S. 761, 768 <113 S.Ct. 1792, 1798-1799, 123 L.Ed.2d 543>), but may not do the same to fraudulent or deceptive speech in " 'matters of public concern' " ( Dun & Bradstreet, Inc. v. Greenmoss Builders (1985) 472 U.S. 749, 758-759 <105 S.Ct. 2939, 2944-2945, 86 L.Ed.2d 593> (plur. opn. of Powell, J.) ( Dun & Bradstreet ), quoting First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti (1978) 435 U.S. 765, 776 <98 S.Ct. 1407, 1415-1416, 55 L.Ed.2d 707> ( Bellotti )).

This simple categorization presupposes that commercial speech is wholly distinct from noncommercial speech and that all commercial speech has the same value under the First Amendment. The reality, however, is quite different. With the growth of commercialism, the politicization of commercial interests, and the increasing sophistication of commercial advertising over the past century, the gap between commercial and noncommercial speech is rapidly shrinking. As several commentators have observed, examples of the intersection between commercial speech and various forms of noncommercial speech, including scientific, political and religious speech, abound. (See, e.g., Kozinski & Banner, Who's Afraid of Commercial Speech , supra , 76 Va. L.Rev. at pp. 639-648; Redish, Product Health Claims and the First Amendment: Scientific Expression and the Twilight Zone of Commercial Speech (1990) 43 Vand. L.Rev. 1433, 1449-1454.) Indeed, the recent commissioning of a Fay Weldon novel by the jewelry company Bulgari as a marketing ploy highlights this blurring of commercial and noncommercial speech. (See Arnold, Making Books: Placed Products, and Their Cost , N.Y. Times (Sept. 13, 2001) p. E3, col. 1.)
. . . .

It goes from there (she is very longwinded), but you get the gist. States should not be controlling or regulating corporate speech. If Brown gets her way, corporations will take even more power over our lives, and we will have no recourse short of amending the U.S. Constitution.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:00 PM
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11. "Corporatism" Is Not Good Framing Either
That gets us painted with the "all businesses are evil" brush.

There are corporations that support us (http://www.buyblue.org)

Capitalism is a good system. It is far from perfect, and the government
needs to fill in the gaps (all those social programs that the RW'ers
love to hate, even as they tell their own employees to sign up for them). But it's better than what we have now.

It isn't capitalism anymore when a cartel buys the government.
(there is another word for it, it starts with an "F").

They operate it for their own benefit (can you say "Halliburton"?)
and to the extreme detriment of their competitors, their employees,
the American public, and pretty much everybody else in the world.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:50 PM
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20. It's FASCISM, alright. Too bad most people don't know what it really means
I notice that most Americans will SAY they know what Fascism is, but, rarely have I seen that to be the case. In fact, many freeper types will call liberals and Democrats fascists in a display of complete ignorance.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:37 PM
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14. Corporatism is what the GOP is about. Everything that the GOP does
is directly related to, and supportive of, their primary goal of establishing a permanent, democratically unchallengeable totalitarian fascist government and society in the US.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:39 PM
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15. Exactly
That one judge woman who favored Enron is the perfect example.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 02:43 PM
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16. The Democrats can frame this:

By opposing these judges,
The Democrats are protecting the RIGHTS
of ALL Americans who WORK for a living!!!
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