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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 04:49 PM Original message |
is this legal -- can help wanted ads ask for certain religous backgrounds? |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't believe so. Any lawyer want to weigh in? n/t |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 04:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think you can, if it's assoc. with a church. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Nope, churches are not excepted. illegal. nt |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I suppose I could be wrong. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. It would be unusual for a person meeting the job qualifications |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:19 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. See the post on Title VII below. nt |
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Sanity Claws (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. That is illegal!! |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm not sure |
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kwolf68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
6. Yes |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
7. It's a religious not-for-profit. So, it is legal. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. No, it is not legal. It is illegal, unless they are hiring a minister. nt |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 02:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
61. Sorry, but it is as of Feb 2004: |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
8. it's a religious group |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. It's not discriminatory |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. here's the parallel |
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OldLeftieLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. So? |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:18 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. It *is* discriminatory, and it violates Title VII |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
12. Can you imagine if it were the 'other' way around?? |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. That's right. And they do not. See my post on Title VII below. nt |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. it jumped out at me -- i don't know the answer, but it feels skeevey |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. Here's the law |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. wow -- thanks for the clarification. with all the christo-fascist news |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. You're welcome. So far, they haven't been able to destroy things like |
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DrRang (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Book publishers ask for statement of belief |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. Under Bush's "faith" based initiatives it is OK for churches to |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. You mean discriminate in services, or not hire based on sexual orientation |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. It is OK for churches to discriminate based upon |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. You mean in services or hiring? |
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ikojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. I mean in hiring. From what I understand, if it is against |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You are probably right. |
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ISUGRADIA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
66. In most states one can discriminate based on sexual orientation |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
22. If an ad is for a church, I guess it should be okay to ask if the |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. No, it is NOT ok, it it completely illegal, and NOT ok. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. I agree with you, but I did say that if they want members of |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. I understand. But although I'm not sure about this, they may be obligated |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. Well, as a former Catholic, I can vouch that if a non-Catholic |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 09:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Agreed that some of this is self-selecting, esp. for admin jobs where |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
26. the more i think about it, the more i want to apply |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Call the ACLU and let them know you're applying. They might be intersted |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. ah, a little project... this could be fun |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. If you're qualified, you should go for it. nt |
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TalkingDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
33. Here's one better for you. |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 05:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Hmmmm.... that's an interesting one. |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
38. No, it is not legal... send to ACLU |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:04 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Even if it is a church or religious establishment, it is illegal. nt |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. hold up, am writing them as |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. waha! |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
42. Okay, this is what I sent... |
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gardenista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Well, that's going to light a fire in the undies of the person who |
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lala_rawraw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Yep and sent to ACLU person |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 08:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. wow, thanks lala! |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
48. If christian is used as an adjective and not a noun |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-05 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
49. Colleges affiliated with conservative churches ask applicants for |
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MaryBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
52. This is similar to an ad I saw in the Sacramento Bee |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 09:02 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. It might be warning homophobes to back off. |
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MaryBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Probably, but |
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CornField (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
53. Bush's Faith-Based Initiative allows such groups to discriminate in hiring |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 09:04 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. A "Rescue Mission" might well get Federal funds.... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 09:04 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. A "Rescue Mission" might well get Federal funds.... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
55. While not illegal for a church group to do this, it might be illegal |
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CornField (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
58. They have a book which outlines accepted discrimination |
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Lone_Star_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
59. I remember all the hoopla over this in 2003 |
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charlottelouise (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
60. Possibly it is legal |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
62. OK, as of Feb 2004 it IS legal! About.com: |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
63. Looks like they want someone with experience doing Christian graphics |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I see a lot of laid off people getting screwed... |
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