Why hasn't a Dem sponsored a bill of impeachment?

[ruggerson]

The Brit memo is a smoking gun. Surely, even in a token gesture, one or two democrats could announce they are drafting a bill of impeachment of George Bush.

Wouldn't this also bring more publicity to a story the MSM is trying to bury?

[Occulus]

1. Gotta have the votes

There are none on one side of the aisle.

[Cooley Hurd]

2. You don't need votes to intorduce a bill...

...just balls.;)

[omega minimo]

20. Like Barbara Boxer

:bounce::bounce:




Fuck balls

[ruggerson]

3. You don't need votes

to announce you are drafting/sponsoring a bill

[Jim Sagle]

4. The Democrats are yellow.

[Joey Liberal]

5. Gotta have the balls.........

Other than Barbara Boxer (who I think is sooo hot) and Rep. Conyers, who among the Democrats is showing any guts?

[oneold1-4u]

11. Asking Boxer

If she is available to be open to the public of the whole nation. If so, then lets get to know her! Make sure she is heard and known. Most of all, would she ever consider being a leader! She has to be a M.Thatcher, I.Ghandi, G.Maier, Sister Teresa, and of course a mother and she will win any election hands down.
A great and intelligent male leader said that the world needed many more of these women world leaders to seek greater world understanding and peace!
Men should give birth to babies for the next hundred years to understand the love that birth and growth goes into this, from a mothers view! Few mothers willingly send their own or anothers to death for petty international powers!

[Joey Liberal]

13. Great idea

I consider Barbara Boxer to be a great leader and a great looking lady:).......

[omega minimo]

21. ?

:scared:



:wow:



:rofl:

[In Truth We Trust]

6. Good fucking question! Is there not one Dem with integrity? We know the

repubs won't of course but damn, not one freaking Dem?!?

[Cleita]

7. Write to your reps, both Democratic and Republican,

to get them to light a fire under the Judiciary Committee. These are the guys that start an impeachment. Nothing can be done unless they start the ball rolling.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. Because it's the most incredibly stupid thing they could do...

while they are outvoted and watching the Republican leadership self-destruct. It has to do with brains, not balls.

Every Democratic congresscritter has a copy of the impeachment bill written by Frank Boyle in his or her bottom desk drawer.

However, you don't bring up impeachment until you have, at the minimum, both some deep public support and the votes to make it serious. There's a reason impeachment has gotten as far as a vote only three times in the entire history of the US.

Anyone who tries to sponsor an impeachemnt right now will not only get himself savaged by the spin machine, but the existence of the bill will destroy most of what the Democrats are trying to do with important stuff, like bring some sense to the tax and Social Security debates and kill of some of the more ridiculous Christian Right initiatives.

It will also take a lot of the heat off of DeLay, and probably make him a hero in his district.

Nope, any talk of impeachment has to wait until after the next election, and it just might happen if we get a Democratic House.

[ruggerson]

10. If I remember correctly

Bob Barr and/or Bob Dornan, sponsored bills of impeachment LONG before the Lewinsky thing. They both got lots of press, their issues were highlighted and it had no negative effect whatsoever on the real impeachment hearings which came down the pike a year or two afterwards.

[TreasonousBastard]

14. We weren't at war, the Democratic slime machine...

wasn't as well oiled as the Republican one is now, and where are Barr and Dornan now?

Iraq is almost irrelevant for impeachment proceedings if we use Nixon or Clinton as examples of what to impeach for. It's NOT a criminal proceeding, it's a political one. That's how it was intended by the guys who wrote the Constitution, and that's why "high crimes and misdemeanors" has never been defined.

It was a lot easier to impeach Nixon for that stupid tape than bombing Cambodia. After hundreds of millions spent, they went after Clinton for lying about a blowjob. This Iraq smoking gun is a good one, but perhaps not the one best used for impeachment. It doesn't have nearly the clear political ring of erased tapes or blowjobs. It might do in a pinch, though.

These guys in power now are the best at circling the wagons when threatened, and bringing up impeachment has to be done with extreme care.

[omega minimo]

23. Won't happen unless American citizens demand it

Same with the outcome of 2000 and 2004 "elections" and the continuing presence of Black Box voting in America.

Conventional wisdom of TV pundits is: "Reagan wasn't impeached (Iran Contra) because he was too popular." It's fine for DUers to think strategerically, which is what the politicians and pundits do-- but THEY are waiting for signals that the American people will act up about it.

"It was a lot easier to impeach Nixon for that stupid tape than bombing Cambodia."

Isn't the UK memo as specific and direct as the Watergate tapes or Clinton's Grand Jury video testimony? It COULD be used for impeachment, if citizens react.

Someone here mentioned "we'd get Cheney"... we already HAVE Cheney! Bring the lizard out into the light of day from his Undisclosed Location! People don't react because the Pretzeldent is a joke!

The election didn't wake up enough people. We don't have time to fool with strategery that downplays the grave relevance and PROOF that UK MEMOGATE provides.

[ruggerson]

24. Gotta disagree

We should be going after these guys full throttle. The way you win in politics is by never letting the other guy even get up off the mat.

As an institution, our party is not anywhere NEAR the political acumen of the bad guys. And we better start wising up.

[TreasonousBastard]

25. When you throw shit...

just don't throw it into a fan.

Timing and proper aim are everything.

[tx_dem41]

12. Great answer...

sometimes the political ramifications of an act aren't seriously considered around these parts. Instead its just easier to call the Democrats in Congress cowards.

[caty]

9. Everyone--be patient!

I smell many scandels to come. So many, that even the republicans can't ignore.:evilgrin:

[oneold1-4u]

15. In truth

Many rough "scandalous" items are already known, but "what the hell", who doesn't have a window or a cluttered porch? and the Republican party hasn't answered for any of these things for that reason.
They are getting away with everything by covering our porches with all the bull* about GLBT, abortions, non-xtian, dirty press, etc. e
Every time they toss a stone at a Democrats window it is to cover up something they do or are about to do in their own dirty, creepy closet!

[guajira]

16. Dems Need Great Private Investigators

To uncover the Plame affair, to uncover the Jeff Gannon affair(s), to dig up any number of Repuke scandals, especially getting us into an unnecessary invasion for oil and revenge!!

I was told in my local Dems meeting last week when I asked the same question about impeachment - and was told that we are waiting for B* to "hang himself"!!

Well good luck with that one. I say we all contact Dr. Howard Dean and ask for the DNC to get off their asses and start pushing our agendas!!

[elehhhhna]

17. Because it's time to form an Opposition Party. Dems are just

playing good-cop/bad-cop with the Reeps and screwing us all the way to the bank. That's why.

[leftofthedial]

18. they're still playing a game that ended 15 years ago.

[Rowdyboy]

19. Charlie Rangel, Maxine Waters, Bernie Saunders, John Lewis

and Barney Frank are not cowards or chickenshits as some on this thread have suggested. They just realize what a total waste of time it would be.

And if by some miracle they did and it succeeded (yeah, 67 senators will support it :sarcasm: ) then we get Cheney, who's already acting president; Take him out, we get Hastert. BFD.

[bvar22]

30. You can add:

Cynthia McKinney, Barbara Lee, Carol Braun, Henry Waxman, and Dennis Kucinich to your list.

These guys are already asking for an investigation into War Crimes....Give it time.

[hack89]

22. Need to educate the public...

you won't get a second shot so impeachment has to work the first time. Without public support it won't work. Be patient, work to educate the public, and pull the trigger at the right time.

[paineinthearse]

26. Check your facts before making such a statement

Have you researched Thomas?

[Unforgiven]

27. Because We Get Cheney Instead?

[lala_rawraw]

28. Treason

That is all I am going to write, print, leave, make stickers of... just that one word... nothing else.

[Independent_Liberal]

29. We're going to force them into it. Here's how:

www.wallacevbushlawsuit.com

I've been screaming at the top of my lungs about this and nobody listens to me. You just sit there and act like a bunch of defeatists and keep saying stuff like "It won't happen" and shoot people down every chance you get. You aren't getting anywhere with that attitude.

We're going to force them to impeach by putting a 50-state legal stranglehold on the Federal Government. All members of Congress will be forced to comply by state court order. Anybody who doesn't comply will be kicked out of office by public complaint. It's a recall process. You people could've been pursuing this all along and yet everyone takes "It ain't happening" or "Wait til 2006" for gospel.

No, they stole our country. We want it back. It's either take down now or be taken down later.

Here's what we're going to do:

www.recallthecongress.com

>>>>snip

To impeach George Bush for war crimes and covertly implementing PNAC, we have to get a handle on our congress men and women.

This website is created to organize local state efforts to petition the Secretary of State or other official of each state in which laws have been established for the recall process of public officials. There are 26 states in which such laws have been established leaving 24 states in which an effort is required to petition the state legislature for enactment of such a law or alternatively where the initiative has been made law to use that vehicle to bring each state of the nation into a parity of power of its citizens to control the Federal government.

Status of the lawsuit
Click on http://foundersfreedomdefensefund.blogspot.com/


>>>>snip

Objectives of We the People

To kick George W. Bush out of office, send him packing to Crawford Texas and to seek his future trial for war crimes in the docks of the International Court of Criminal Justice. To this add Dick Cheney and his rogue companions.
That We the People gain control over the Senate and House of Representatives whereby they are bound to perform according to their commitments to We the People or get booted out of office by state court upon complaint of We the People.
To teach the President and the Congress that We the People own America and the government and that every person in each of those entities is in our employ and subject to our termination by way of our reserved electoral right of recall.
To establish that the right of the people to recall members of the US Senate or the House of Representatives is a right not prohibited within the Constitution and is thus reserved to the electors of the States contrary to common myth.
To firmly establish the right of We the People to veto any acts of the Congress within 48 hours of passage which veto is final and cannot be overridden by the Congress.
To establish by use of the recall that We the People are the backbone of our government, not its vassals and that the government must respond to the will of We the People.
Not the last and not the least is that we must re-establish fiscal responsibility to this nation which is heading for bankruptcy under the present administration with the aid and assistance of our congressional delegates.






We the people of the United States

face the greatest challenge in the history of our country

It is greater than the Revolutionary war by which our country was given birth. It is greater than the Civil war which preserved the union.

It is greater than World War II which was waged to eliminate the evils of fascism from the earth. It is unprecedented in world history!




It is indeed a rebirth of fascism in our time in our own country by those who have hijacked the government from their seat in the Administration and by their accomplices within the Congress along with all other inept members of the Congress who have allowed this tragedy to come upon us. Most of these are descendants of fathers who fought and some who died in World War II to free the world of fascism. Don’t know what PNAC is? Most Americans don’t. Read up on it http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm

How did it happen? By lies and deception and by placing the Nation under a state of fear. But not by accident. It was a well orchestrated event including 9/11 and all the suspicions surrounding it. For 9/11 was a needed event ( As stated by the paper itself) ( Sin of Omission) to implement the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and first kicked into gear by the ill-informed interference of the US Supreme Court in a States Right matter of the election fraud in Florida in 2000. That interference resulted in an illegal electoral college vote for George W. Bush.

It was further encouraged in 2004 by a conspiracy of silence among members of the Congress on both sides of the aisle to not speak of fascism or PNAC during the election campaign which they knew or must have known was taking over America. Members of Congress who knew and were silent are guilty of treason and high crimes against the country. If they didn’t know they are inept and should be kicked out of their offices as quickly as possible. We don’t need a rubber stamp congress to the further the evil empire builder George W. Bush.

I won’t go into the parallels between September 11, 2001 and February 27,1933 when Germany began to lose its democracy and the Third Reich fascist government began. Thom Hartman has done an excellent job of that. Thom Hartman | When Democracy Failed - 2005: The Warnings of History http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0222-22.htm

We cannot allow George Bush and company to entrench our country any deeper into the un-godly agenda of PNAC. Every American needs to stand up, listen, read and learn what is going on then decide to do something positive about it. I have suggested an:



American Revolution 2005

It needs to be done beginning now and by our use of the powers vested in WE the People
Volunteers needed in all 50 states. If you have the spirit of America’s founders and wish to participate in a non-violent recapture of the freedoms associated with the founding of America, please step forward and make yourself known. A coordinated effort in all 50 states will put America back where it belongs as a nation in a brotherhood of nations.

Contact me for state organizational plans. [e-mail] For starters copy, paste and print the following document and send it to each member of your state congressional delegation with a request they sign it and file it with the state secretary of states office.



UNILATERAL CONGRESSIONAL CONTRACT

State of ___________________________________
To Be Filed in the State Secretary of State's Office



(SPACE RESERVED FOR FILING STAMP)




For and in consideration of continued employment of the people of the State of ________________________,the undersigned member of the United States Congress hereby pledges to the electorate of the above named state, that I will actively work and vote to promote the impeachment of George W. Bush as President of the United States, Richard Cheney, Vice President and other civil servants involved for their conduct in:

Lying to the Congress and the public in order obtain support for the illegal war against Iraq.
For implementing the white paper of a Non Government Organization Known as the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) titled “Rebuilding Americas Defenses” which calls for global military dominance of the United States with unilateral pre-emptive military strikes against any nation deemed a threat to that dominance.
For violating international law in invading Iraq and for the deaths of innocent Iraqis and resulting unnecessary deaths and maiming of our own troops.
For using fear as a mechanism to establish fascism within the government.
In making this pledge, I understand that I will not be subject to recall by my constituency. I waive constitutional rights, if any, relating to continuity of my holding office and understand that in the event of failure on my part to perform as stated within a reasonable time from date, I may be removed from office by a complaint made to a competent court of my state by 3 or more members of my constituency. My only defense being a showing of performance.

This pledge relates only to the issue of the impeachment of George W. Bush, et al. I understand that from time to time there may be other issues which will require my pledge of support.



Dated this ________Day of _________________, 2005

______________________________________
Printed Name of Signator

______________________________________

Signature

______________________________________

Office held














Witnessed by: _______________________________________








Doug Wallace Founders Freedom Defense Fund

Mail donations to:
P.O. BOX 60958
RENO, NEVADA 89506

[queeg]

31. Henry B. Gonzales is dead

The old guy dropped about 15 of them during the time Reagan was prez.

Henry B. Gonzales (D) San Antonio