Ret Gen Karpinski pointing finger at Gen Miller and Rumsfeld

[alfredo]

on ABC news. Will be on Nightline tonight.

Tape it and put it online.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Ooo...

Every day, a little more comes out.

[blm]

3. I've been waiting for more from her. Really looking forward to when

Sibel Edmonds lets it all out.

And Mary Mapes.

[paulk]

6. who's Mary Mapes?

I must have missed this - do you have a link?

[blm]

7. Mary Mapes was the Producer on the Abu Ghraib story and Bush's AWOL

documents. She is going to tell all about how the investigation was run, how the news execs caved to BushInc, and how the documents were legit since the investigation didn't prove forgery and ANY forged document can be proven by real experts.

[paulk]

11. thanks nt

[alfredo]

12. We need something to happen before much more damage is done

our our country.

[chelsea0011]

2. Methinks they shoulda thought before a demotion

what's that saying about a woman scorned?

[bonzotex]

4. As well she should...

She's being scapegoated, but she's also not being punished enough. She's just one of many who should be prosecuted. Anyone that's ever been in the Military, especially the officers, understands the chain of command. Shit doesn't happen, good or bad, without the officers involved having a clue. Dumb ass politicians and CEOs may be able to claim ignorance but not the military; not the officers in charge.

I hope she speaks out and I hope people listen, but I'm afraid the fix is in on this and she'll be crucified by the wingnuts.

[dogday]

5. Hell hath no fury........

like a woman who gets the shaft. I hope she tells all.....

[G_j]

8. good for her!

I heard the snippet on ABC Nightly news. She ain't falling on her sword.
I think she needs some support here. She is pointing a finger directly at Rumsfeld!

[Bozita]

9. Nightline's email on tonight's show

Janis Karpinski: The Former General Speaks Out

May 12, 2005


For many -- in any career -- making it into the senior ranks, that special group of highly successful people, is an important goal. And in the military, one could argue, it's even more important. So, getting your first star -- brigadier general -- is the first step into that elite group. As a woman in the military, that's an even a bigger deal. Former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, former commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade at Abu Ghraib, got into those ranks, but lost her star last week. She's now a colonel. She's mad about it and tonight, in her first interview since she lost that star, she tells her story exclusively to Ted Koppel.


I was traveling overseas about two months ago in Europe (Old Europe, Germany, in fact) and I was struck by how much the photos of abuse, torture and humiliation of Iraqi prisoners resonate with people there. So much has happened since that scandal, I thought it would have just washed away with the rest of the news. But that gallery of photos, coupled with the current U.S. policy at Guantanamo Bay are the two prisms through which our country is viewed and judged these days. Fairly or unfairly, that's what the people I met wanted to talk about. It's a mixture of disappointment and anger. To some of the people I spoke with, it reinforces the perception that America, the leader of the free world, isn't exactly a paragon when it comes to human rights. So, you can imagine what they're thinking when they look at the various investigations surrounding the Abu Ghraib scandal.

One of the soldiers in those infamous photos is being tried as we speak, and several are serving time for their roles, but the managers seem to have gotten off easily. With the exception of Janis Karpinski. She's the highest level military official to be reprimanded in the Abu Ghraib scandal. But what about all the others above her -- Lt. General Ricardo Sanchez, the former commander of forces on the ground in Iraq, or Maj. General Geoffrey Miller, the deputy commander for detention operations in Iraq, or even Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld himself? How could everyone else in the chain of command above her go unscathed? Well, Karpinski has a lot to say about all of this. She sat down with Ted Koppel for an extended interview yesterday and she had some really interesting things to say about her role, the sequence of events that led to the change in interrogation techniques and what she has to say about those above her.

We hope you'll join us.

Gerry Holmes & the "Nightline" staff
Senior Producer
ABC News Washington Bureau

[coffeenap]

10. Thanks--have copied it to 10 of my friends.

[David Zephyr]

13. But will Clear Channel allow it to be shown?

Let's see.

[Disturbed]

14. Justice Denied!

Rumsfailed Admitted to Violating Geneva Convention

Rumsfailed admitted in public on TV that when CIA Director Tenet requested that an Iraqi prisoner be sent to a secret Afghan/US Prison that Rumsfailed did so. After four months a DOD Attorney stated that this was an illegal act. Rumsfailed then ordered that this prisoner be sent back to Abu Graihib but the prisoner was purposefully not listed at that location, also an illegal act. Rumsfeld also admitted to signing orders for tougher interogation methods which violated the Geneva Conventions.

Rumfailed has commited at least three violations of the Geneva Convention thereby also violations of The Constitution of the USA. Recently it has been found out that even more detainees were "ghost detainees". The fact that Rumsfailed and Tenet have not been charged speaks volumes. If Congress wishes to garner any respect they should move forward with Rep. Rangle's Impeachment Declaration of Rumsfailed and also proscecute Ex. CIA Tenet.

[alfredo]

15. I agree.

So far she is slicing and dicing Miller. She wasn't even in charge of the prison, miller was. He was there to Gitmoize Abu Ghraib.