Are we heading toward civil war?

[renaissanceguy]

I've been noticing several posts on here lately suggesting that we are. I've even heard the term "cold civil war" to describe what we're in. What do you guys think... can you feel the tension in the air, the country on the brink of breaking apart? All I see is EXTREME bitterness and hatred in the news. This is NOT what we saw in the 90s...at least not to this extreme degree.

What are your thoughts?


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[NewInNewJ.]

1. I have thought

for the last few years that we are headed for a religious war.

[geniph]

2. I think the country is more polarized than it's been since 1860

and the media is feeding that perception. It's scary. There's a hell of a lot of very loud people, encouraged by rabid radical clerics, who really seem to think a theocracy in this country is a good idea.

[Deja Q]

5. Maybe 1859. Nobody yet is

marching in neatly formed lines and rows to systematically and summarily kill those marching toward them.

[calimary]

15. Nice doggie! Smart, too!

I find myself wondering how soon some of that might begin. And I fear it'll be coming at US from the Xtian "wrong." I mean, it's not as though it was a liberal who bombed the Oklahoma federal building. It's not as though it was a liberal who tried to disrupt the Atlanta Olympics and went after health care providers with death in his intentions (while loudly and piously claiming he was pro-life). It's not liberals who hole up in Ruby Ridge and go on violent killing and shooting sprees and rail against the dreaded boogey-man guv'mint. It's not our side that has the obsession with guns. The worst any one of us ever seems to do anymore is throw pies.

[Smarmie Doofus]

7. I don't think the media feed it; I think they deny it...

and pretend things are hunky-dory. That there is no one dying in Iraq. That when a service person does die it's because they are being "patriotic" when they are in fact being used... and wasted, I might add.

That we are all interested in American Idol, runaway brides,"religiously-based" moral values and sports, sports, sports sports, sports.

[Mojambo]

3. Yes.

We are headed towards a Cultural-Civil War. It's cold right now, but the filibuster fight could be the first shot that gets this thing hot.

The shock troops of this conflict have been operating for a few years now, but soon everyone is going to be forced to join the fray.

Frankly, I can't wait.

[Deja Q]

4. Civil war, world war, clothing war... we've been in a cold civil war for

15+ years now. Most people are too thick to realize it; they're too busy blaming everything on one side or the other.

If the situation was so easy to just point fingers, humanity would never have evolved past the year 100,000 B.C. And most people of today do nothing more BUT to point fingers. Even evolved people are doing this and given the state of affairs, it's pretty damn easy to want to too.

Oh. And the neocons are laughing all the way to the bank with it. There are many Republicans who I know that, apart from "Defending the homeland" aside, aren't too happy with everything they are doing. Not to point fingers, but the neocons are in control and things are only getting worse. Have been for some time. So much so obvious is going on that it'd be worse to NOT point fingers.

[kcwayne]

6. The difference is that 100,000 years ago

you could easily find other hunting grounds if you didn't like the winger slinging rocks at the watering hole, and if you didn't want to find the new hunting ground, you could bash his head in and solve the problem as long as your family was larger than his.

[KansDem]

10. I've noticed that too...

you could easily find other hunting grounds--This was true up to about 100 years ago. Now, no matter where you go, the "hunting grounds" will be owned by someone or something. And with computers (aren't we all in dozens of databases?) there is no anonymity. It's a paradox that the two traits we associate with Americanism, mobility and anonymity; both required in "starting over," are fast disappearing. With the new bankruptcy laws set to take effect in less than 6 months, each of us will no longer have the "luxury" of "starting over." Make one mistake with your finances and you spend the rest of your life in indentured servitude.

you could bash his head in and solve the problem--"civility" and laws prevent us from doing this, although it seems at times a different kind of "head bashing" takes place when lawyers, and especially corporate lawyers, get involved in a "disagreement." Someone here on DU once observed that rise of the police was a result of the merchant class seeking a way to "protect" itself from the masses. But certainly such laws and the enforcement of such go further back to feudal times (and before).

[zbdent]

8. Civil war would have started on 12/13/2000

if Sandra Day O'Conner had swung the other way . . .

[kansasblue]

9. I think we are headed toward civil unrest.

[Kerrytravelers]

11. I have definelty read the cold civil war thread and agree.

I certainly feel it. Maybe it's the revolutionary in me, but I want to see the people rise up and take back this country. I hope it's cold and doesn't turn to gun warfare.

I have spoken to other Dems and liberals who certainly see violence and a huge revolution coming in this country. No, none of them were getting guns ready or anything, but they were keeping their eyes open to the possibility.

All I know is, I am fearful for our nation, but I'm ready to stand up and be counted.

[Coastie for Truth]

12. Nope - Everything Is Right With The World - Very "Right"

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[Tactical Progressive]

13. Democrats are finally starting to fight back

That's what's going on.

Right-wingers are politically abusive people, through and through. They remain bitter and angry even when nobody fights back and even when they win. When people do fight back they scream and slander and lie even worse.

The rancor you're seeing is people finally starting to fight back. There is no way around that except to just give up and accept their anger and malevolence as they demand control of every single little thing. That's not an option, really. They are destroying this country at a much faster rate than it takes good leadership to build it up. They must be confronted, so there is no avoiding the divisiveness. They aren't going to be reasonable or responsible, ever. The choice is surrender or fight.

As to whether it will turn into a 'hot' civil war, I don't think so. Pukes are angry and hate-filled. And cowards. The second the shit hits the fan they'll be cowering in their hidey-holes and screaming for someone protect them.

[renaissanceguy]

17. But what about the fundie zealots "out there"

I doubt they would cower in their caves.

[MadHound]

14. Hell, I've been counting on it for the past eighteen years

Back in the day, watching Reagan and Bush I ripping this country up, you could feel the hostility mounting underneath. It was back in '87 that I started telling friends and family that we're headed for either a civil war or a complete Dark Ages type meltdown within fifty years, or less.

I have directed my life with that guiding principle in mind. Buying land to sustain myself, becoming as energy independent as possible, preparing matters in order that my family and I could survive when the proverbial fecal matter hit the whirling blades.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want this scenario to come about. My God, I live in Missouri, and have distinct knowledge of what the coming storm will bring. During the last Civil War, most of the states leaned distinctly one way or the other, and there was little internal strife. In Missouri, half the state was pro slavery and the other half was anti slavery. War and violence tore this state apart, with neighbor pitted against neighbor, battered one day by Union forces, the next by Confederate forces. Throw in the raiders and robbers, Jesse James got his violent start with that freelance raiding for profit group, Quatrill's Raiders, raping the state, and one can easily see what a Civil War where the factions are intermixed will lead to.

While I am far along the path towards this self sufficiency, there is still a long way to go. And sad to say, I think that matters are going to come to a violent head sooner than I thought. I just hope that I am prepared.

[erichzann]

16. Yes its the United States of Canada vs. Jesusland :)

[renaissanceguy]

18. Haha

"United States of Canada" has a nice ring to it, though they have some issues up there they need to settle first.