Ok for all the naysayers and so there is NO misunderstanding.

[Andy_Stephenson]

Any further questions??? Anyone now willing to go on record to say I am not a patient at Hopkins? Is there any lingering doubt?

[ET Awful]

1. I never doubted you for a second Andy.

Don't let yourself get too stressed, it just ain't healthy :).

Take care of yourself and get healthy dammit!

:hug:

[bleever]

2. Can I see the hard copies please? :)

Go, Andy. My prayers and positive thoughts are with you.

:thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

110. bleever! I'm shocked!

:loveya:

[lateo]

113. He said hard...

huh huh huh

[wicket]

3. I've always believed in you

And always will. Get well soon! :yourock:

[Walt Starr]

4. Methinks some cockaroaches are scurrying for their spider holes

and are heading back to the site which shall not be named.

[Bouncy Ball]

5. Pretty sad you even have to do that, innit?

I wish you all the best, Andy. Be well.

[stellanoir]

6. I never doubted your veracity for a nanosecond.

Am so sorry that others did and that you were complelled to document.

Hope you've overcome all the perilous red tape and that your procedure goes smoothly and that your healing will be expedient.

Best wishes.

[yvr girl]

7. Totally not necessary

Try to get some rest and find something to laugh at. I'm sure you could use a good laugh.

[Drifter]

8. It's a fake ...

anyone can see that the document was created on a typewriter popular in 1958.

Just Kidding.

Good luck to you.

Cheers
Drifter

[Lars39]

9. I didn't doubt you for a second, Andy.

:hug:

[ewagner]

10. It's a damned shame

you felt you had to do that Andy.

Rest. Get your strength up. Get well.

[Individualist]

61. It certainly is,

and this makes me mad as hell at the assholes who made Andy feel he was compelled to do it. :grr:

[gkhouston]

11. this is no good

I wanted to know whether or not you have a cute butt. :7

[Samurai_Writer]

12. *hugs* Andy

I'm sorry you had to release confidential, private medical records in order to clear this up. But at least now you can rest easy, knowing you have given proof. If that is not enough for them, then fuck them. I have to admit I was getting a little nervous, but was still giving you the benefit of the doubt. You'll have another donation from me in the next day or two.

Peace,
Bella

[Bunny]

13. Thank you for doing this, Andy, however painful it may have been.

Now, let's hear from the naysayers. Satisfied? Or do you still want your money back?

[salin]

21. I rather suspect

as someone stated elsewhere - that some of the "naysayers" - will respond. As there seems to be some other point (and it varies per poster) that seems to be held on to.

The one person who was skeptical both of the claimer of fraud/... and of the lack of information per the situation - that person I would expect to see. Was pretty consistent.

The others... I somehow doubt they will bother to come to this thread.

The bigger question is whether there will be yet another wave of donations followed by claims of fraud in an attempt to yet again freeze accounts.

[Bunny]

23. Yes, that was an astute observation on your part yesterday.

One does wonder if other attempts will be made to freeze the accounts.

And I'm sure someone will turn up in this thread, claiming that the report was forged, or something. :eyes:

[FlaGranny]

45. I have worked

as a medical transcriptionist all my life. This is a real report. As for the typeset, many hospitals REQUIRE this typeset as it is, by far the easiest to read - even though someone mentioned a 1958 typewriter. :-) I know that was a joke, but someone might pick up on it and try to use it as "proof" it was not real.

[gkhouston]

99. This typeset is "boring" but tends to be relatively legible even

after being photocopied multiple times. Perhaps that's why it's still around? Or maybe Nurse Ratchet just loves it...

[greatauntoftriplets]

43. LOL, I just got a PM from someone.....

who had missed everything and wanted to know how to donate. I passed the information along.

:D

[FlaGranny]

49. Thank you

that was me and I missed everything because I've only been checking the Latest Breaking for quite a while. I missed the whole fund drive. Thank you, again. :-)

[greatauntoftriplets]

58. You're very welcome....

:D

[merh]

111. Folks can check out my signature line!

:hi: It is informative.

[American in Asia]

14. Oh Andy - some people just SUCK!

You don't have to prove anything to us (almost all of us anyway). And you certainly shouldn't have to worry about this now.

I know you must be so angry and hurt by having your integrity questioned. And I understand that. And I also know you must be feeling afraid and ill and in pain.

You don't need the worries about this. Please keep your mind and spirits strong, ok?? So many people are pulling for you. It's an amazing and beautiful thing, and we simply must not let "them" spoil it!

And as for those people who suck? Well, leave it to your friends, or to their karma, to sort them out!

We want you well.

[Sydnie]

15. You didn't have to do that Andy

Not for me. You shouldn't have had to do that for anyone.

Put this "episode" behind you now and concentrate on feeling better, getting ready for the surgery, and visualizing your "Bevs" demise.

Postive thought and healing vibes coming your way from me and many, many others.

:hug:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. Andy, the naysayers can go fuck themselves

Please go enjoy your day knowing there are FAR more people who trusted you and wish you well.

The unfortunate thing about this entire scenario is that when misfortune happens upon the naysayers, rather than reach out as you did, their own skepticism .. in fact, no..it didn't even rise to the level of skepticism...it was FUCKING CYNICISM..will be their worst enemy.

That isn't to say that people shouldn't question...they could have and should have BEFORE any actions were taken.

For them to have persisted in this matter after the fact was ghoulsih and cruel.
on edit: and to the lurkers from other places..besides getting a life you should read up on companion animals and their efficacy in helping cancer patients stay positive in their recovery. YOu people make me sick.

[MissB]

25. Repeat NSMA's title here.

Andy :hug:

[ultraist]

39. ditto! What NSMA said!

[Misunderestimator]

76. What she said.

[GOPisEvil]

127. I couldn't have said that any better.

:applause:

Focus on getting yourself well, Andy. Put this shitstorm behind you.

[all.of.me]

158. here here!! bravo! (or is it hear, hear? i never did understand that.)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

17. Having read your posts ever since you came to DU, I had no doubts.

:hug:

I wish you weren't so sick, though. :-(

[Kelvin Mace]

18. Andy, I am sorry you had to go through this

We both know who was behind the smear.

Call if you want to talk. PM me and I'll send my 800 number.

Also, I am trying to scrape up the gas money to visit. Please let me know your sched.

David.

[ohtransplant]

19. Never a doubt.

Time to stop proving yourself and turn your energy to getting well.


Going to my happy place....ahhhhhh...see?

[greatauntoftriplets]

20. Bravo!!!!!

But you should NOT have felt the necessity to do this. That'll show the naysayers that you had nothing to hide.

[RBHam]

22. As someone completely objective:

I never weighed in on this personally other than to pray for your good health. I had no extra money to donate, and felt private shame, but I followed the situation intently, as I knew of your good work in exposing the BFEE and I sensed your heart was pure...

When "they" attacked your character in their usually undrhanded way -I knew for a fact you were on the level. It's the Karl Rove Handbook Of Personal Destruction - sewing distrust from within...

He's no genius, Caesar thought of it first. Divide and conquer.

DUers, always be aware of the Enemy's sleazy tactics - NEVER take at face vasue an attack on one of out own. Always consider the source.

This updated "Operation Northwoods" takes many forms. Domestic disruption and provoking groups to go after other groups is part of their Grand Plan to distract, confuse, and sew turmoil so they can impose their Totalitarian State without a united opposition...

DON'T PLAY THEIR GAME!!!

Love you, Andy!

Please get back to helping to save your country as soon as possible. It's courageous men like you that CAN make a difference...

To all of you reading this - as always, PLEASE read my sig line and consider its truth...

RB Ham
Parts Unknown

[Kelvin Mace]

26. Politely disagree

This was the work of ONE person. A vindictive, lying, spiteful and incredibly vicious person who has abused and libeled almost every person who has helped rise to national prominence.

She is not a tool of the right, she is just a VERY sad and pathetic excuse for a human being.

She has gotten quite rich off our money and sweat and she CAN'T stand that someone she set out to destroy is supported so publicly.

[RBHam]

34. Really?

Holy crap...I didn't follow the acrimonious part at all. I just assumed the Freeple had gotten together to work a sabotage...

sorry...

am corrected..

still love Andy

[Kelvin Mace]

52. Andy is a sweety

The Freeps don't need to do anything to harm Andy. Bev is doing the job for them.

[ultraist]

64. Yes, but we saw a few here jump on the chance to be vicious

I think at least one of those people is a mole and the few others, well, who knows what their problem is. Some just take any opportunity to be abusive. What kind of person makes a DONATION and then asks for it back?

I agree though, this doesn't seem to have been an organized effort by the freepers.

[bpilgrim]

97. i figured it was her all along

why all the secrecy in calling her out?

people need to be informed about her and her history because not only is she a threat to Andy's life but she is a THREAT to us regaining our DEMOCRACY :argh:

peace

[termite]

102. I think from now on

when she gives a speech...there should be only crickets in the room.

[merh]

143. Hey termite,

is this "the termite" - the one and only termite?

:hi: So happy to Welcome you to DU (if you are the termite) :hug:

I found a shovel to use to build that pool that Andy keeps talking about!





If you are not "the termite" - I'll welcome you too :hi:, just ignore the lil' ole shovel! :pals:


.

[termite]

179. I am the one and only termite...

Hey I like that shovel! We could dig the pool quick with that! 2 or 3 shovel fulls and we would be done.


Edit: cause I can't type.

[merh]

199. Damn glad to meet you termite!

:hug: Now be sure to take care of yourself so that you can take care of Andy for us. Hugs to you and Andy! :hug: :hug:

[EFerrari]

149. Termite, I found a clipboard to use when merh digs the pool.

And, crickets would know better. :hi:

[merh]

198. I'd like to know where it was said I was doing the digging!

:crazy: I supply the equipment, that's my contribution! Hell, I'm only 5'2", that shovels bigger than me! We need a big guy a zilla type of guy to do the dirt throwing. :silly:

:hi:

Clipboard - what, you gonna take notes? :shrug:

:pals:

[greatauntoftriplets]

177. termite!!!!

How the hell are you? Keeping your guy together, I hope. I know this is a difficult time for you.

Hugs and kisses.

[termite]

180. Hi greatauntoftriplets

I am trying to keep him together, but it is a big job as you well know. He is suprisingly resiliant considering all he is going through. He is in the shower right now singing Ethel Merman songs.

[Moosepoop]

181. Uh-oh...

<He is in the shower right now singing Ethel Merman songs.>

Does Diva Fly know that she has competition??? :smoke:

[greatauntoftriplets]

189. Well, he does sing well, as you know.

Take care of yourself, too, termite. For both of you.

[EFerrari]

117. Envy is a sad, bi-partisan poison.

Special place in hell for people who seek to destroy hope, love. justice or beauty.

[Generic Other]

142. The writing style, the method of operation, the tone

the timing, the psychotic viciousness of the attack, the voice: 100% recognizable to any of us who have been around awhile.

Those of you who have been on the receiving end of this malignant tumor of a person know better than most who you are dealing with.

It's hard to believe any of us were ever fooled for even a second.

Having you post your suspicions utterly confirms it for me.

I hope there's gonna be some karmic retribution for this stunt.

[The Doctor.]

24. It sounds like the proceedure shouldn't be too risky,

but the recovery and adjustments you will have to make will kind of suck.

Good luck.

[Andy_Stephenson]

28. Are you a Medical Doctor?

cause that is what my doctor said.

[The Doctor.]

30. No, cog-psyche.

But I have enough medical knowledge to garner some info from that write-up.

Have you had weight problems too? Just a guess, but a lack of proper blood-supply to certain balancing systems could do that.

[Andy_Stephenson]

31. Yes I am 25 lbs over my

optimum weight. I packed it on while running around the country working the voting issue. There was not much time for exercise. But now I have laid off coke and am eating a more balanced and nutritious diet...and I quit smoking.

[seabeyond]

41. I quit smoking.

hooooow?

lol lol

good for you andi. best of wishes to you

[goodboy]

132. I quit too...it's my 9th day on the patch....(the dreams at night are

INCREDIBLE)

[Samurai_Writer]

27. The silence on that 'other' forum....

"It that shall not be named".... is deafening, isn't it? You would think they would have posted this the MINUTE after Andy did, since they were all so convinced you were sipping Mai Tais in Cancun with Termite. LOL

Go rest up, Andy. You've been through hell the last couple of days. We still got your back.

Peace,
Bella

[myrna minx]

29. Andy-my best energy is coming your way.

My you have a speedy recovery. :hug:

[Cleita]

32. Thanks for checking in Andy.

Iwas getting worried about you. I think this matter is now in the past. It's too bad that these jerks did what they did to you. I hope they get back what they deserve.

[Lisa0825]

33. Don't let 'em get you down, Andy...

You know that we're all here standing with you, and that those who didn't support you had an agenda. You don't owe them any proof. Forget about them, ignore them, and just take care of yourself.

:hug:

[elehhhhna]

35. Cool Andy ! "Bev's" Bon Voyage Ticket ! Seems to be in good order.

[kick-ass-bob]

36. Good luck to you Andy

Get well soon!

[Zorra]

37. Andy, there are some really mean, cruel people in this world, and

I am so sorry that you had to worry about this horrible thing that this republican, (or these republicans) have done to you at such a difficult time in your life.

Thank you for all that you have done for us, we love you, and please, get well soon.

[SoCalDem]

38. So sorry you had to add this shit to your already "full plate" of shit

that Mother Nature served you..

For me... I have wasted more in Vegas,than the $1200.00 I sent...and got nothing to show for it.. A healthy YOU is worth that and more:)

Chin up, Andy...

My son (the one who called you about the ticket he got in Seattle) sends his best wishes too..

For the "naysayers" ..don't let them weigh on your mind at all..

a gift given with strings, is not a gift at all..

:hug:

[WilliamPitt]

40. I posted this in Andy's thread about the checks. You should read it.

I will admit something. I got worried about all this last night. When Andy posted that thread that seemed to be indicating he needed more money, that another 'hot check' had been sent...and then the text of the thread was deleted. I had seen the thread where the 'blood suckers' had been paid, and was badly confused by the new thread. I was even more confused when it was summarily deleted. I got worried. I got mad. I asked some hard questions.

It was a marvelous position to be in. If it did turn out that something was wrong with all this, I was responsible for helping DU, PDA and truthout get wrapped up in it. The reputations of the two crews I work for would have been in the burn bag. If I was worried for no reason, then I was responsible for getting up the nose of a friend with cancer who needs that like he needs a hole in the head.

So all of you should know that part of the reason Andy is posting these documents is in response to whoever started this mess in the first place. Part of it is in response to me.

Andy, you have my humblest and most ashamed apology. I don't expect you to forgive, but I hope you can understand why I was confused and upset. That last thread of yours threw me for a bad loop, and I've been burned before on matters of trust.

Anyone else who wants to kick my ass, feel free.

[Andy_Stephenson]

42. Answer your

Damned phone!

[seabeyond]

44. no way, wouldnt do it dude

kick you ass that is

[Andy_Stephenson]

48. And as I said in the other thread

Will you are my friend...my brother...I love you! I would as I said last night...NEVER do anything to hurt you! Apology accepted and don't beat yourself up. Wen I posted last night I was upset over the trolls sabotaging my care. It is a miracle I am at Hopkins in the first damned place and I didn't want it fucked up for me. Rest easy now friend...

Andy

[Misunderestimator]

84. Good for you, Will!

Nicely said... and kudos for saying it. Amazing what one troll can stir up. Boggles the mind... maybe they can convince us next that we love George Bush.

I'll join you and say that all this crap brought up questions in my mind, which I quickly put down because it has become clear in the past two days, that ONE voice with one question can cause a whole hell of a lot of pain. And a little question from me about a subject that doesn't really affect my life, but affects the life and death of another person, just isn't worth the risk of asking it.

I gave my money freely, and haven't regretted it for one minute through this ordeal. I've never met Andy, and have never met anyone who has met Andy. The questions I had in my mind when I first contributed are the same questions now, and really have nothing whatsoever to do with Andy, just with people in general, and with the internet. And the reasons I contributed are the same as well.

I'm still expecting a bunch of silver-linings out of this for Andy... he's due.

[VelmaD]

87. It means so much to me...

that you and Andy have settled this. I adore you both and felt like hell last night in the middle of it. Hugs to you both. :grouphug:

[bpilgrim]

100. it's your nature

to be all over the place :evilgrin:

it just goes to show how easy it is to be misunderstood on-line when you don't have all the facts, add FUD a disrupter and mix.

i always respect you being a man about your errors though :toast:
and having the courage and smarts to recognize and take advantage of the on-line brainpower at DU and elsewhere.

thank GORE he 'INVENTED' the INTERNETs ;-)

:loveya:

peace

[lilymercury]

160. Loving sincerity toward a friend...

My admiration for you has grown. So many have a tough time apologizing (or admitting they've been wrong), I thank the Universe that there are still people of your caliber Will. We all make mistakes,you made it right. That is the sign of a true, loyal friend.

[Bethany Rockafella]

46. It's too bad this had to be shown. Don't have to prove anything to me.

I finally caught up on what took place the last few days. But not to change the subject, I ventured over to FR and they have over a thousand messages regarding this subject.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1400691/posts?q=1&&page=1

:wow:

[fooj]

47. Oh Andy...I am so ashamed of the behavior here at DU!

Your dedication and loyalty has been rewarded by calling you on your honor and integrity. I am so sorry that the people you have worked so hard to defend have betrayed you. I can't believe that in order for you to maintain peace of mind and your dignity, you have been forced to PUBLICLY DISPLAY your very personal and private medical records! You should have never felt the need to do this, Andy! You have been through hell and back! Always remember that there are many...MANY of us that never doubted who you are. You are a man of integrity and honor, my friend. Now...enough of this witch-hunt! Just focus on wellness. Your strength of character and love of all that is good will get you through this. I'm sending hugs your way. Wrap yourself in that spirit of love and walk away from this cruel nonsense. Be well. I love you.


To the Du Community...
Look at yourselves. Look at what you have become. I am terribly saddened. If we all followed these principles and beliefs... NONE OF US WOULD BELIEVE A WORD SAID ON THIS BOARD. CREDIBILITY BE DAMNED! WHY WASTE YOUR TIME AT A SITE WHERE THERE IS NO TRUST! My God, at a time when goodwill and heartfelt wishes should dominate these boards----think about it! To those who might claim I am out of line---I am simply stating the FACTS as they have been presented, shamelessly, on this board! Can anyone dispute these facts? With my entire being, my heart and soul, my belief in the innate goodness of humanity...I pray someone can. For now, my heart weeps for our friend and for the humiliating pain and suffering he has been subjected to. A week ago, my faith in humanity had been restored. I watched an unprecedented event take place, my heart was full of gratitude and pride...selfless gifts of compassion and love...I was never so proud to be a part of a community. Until this. Until now.


Take good care, Andy. Remember just how many people love and support you! We stand in solidarity. We stand in faith, hope and love!:grouphug: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[ultraist]

56. whoa...wait a minute

MOST of the DU community stood by Andy. Most of us haven't even met Andy but trusted those here who had and trusted our own decisions. I never ONCE regretted my small donation and the few who did, need to take responsibility for their own actions.

I also think that the few naysayers here, jumped on the opportunity to be vicious because they are simply mean spirited people and a few others are likely moles.

Let's give credit where credit is due. THe DU community rose to the challenge and helped someone in need. MOST of us had no doubts through all of this.

[hippiegranny]

68. whoa, wait a minute

>To the Du Community...
Look at yourselves. Look at what you have become.<

There were only a couple of people who were insistent on proof. That is a microscopic percentage of the whole of DU. Almost every single one of us did not even question any of this. I don't think DU has anything to be ashamed of.

[JimmyJazz]

72. The people at DU gave Andy $50,000+ dollars - that's a shitload

of money. Just because a few people questioned what was happening is no reason to chastise the entire board - IMHO, of course.

[merh]

98. fooj - don't blame all for the evil of a few

DU has been tremendous, a wonderful community that gave, that have rallied behind Andy and that truly care.

Stand proud, don't let the evil trolls take that from you. :hug:

With faith and love and laughter, all things are possible!

:hug: I DU Believe! :hug: (and I know you do too)

((((((((( ripple effect ))))))))))

[bpilgrim]

101. you are WRONG

not only did DU come through for Andy the VAST majority stuck up for him during this disruption and the mods handled it superbly.

your judgment is way off base in this case though i understand this being a highly emotional issue.

peace

[comsymp]

105. Oh for Heaven's sake!

I've basically avoided these threads because they've been almost entirely emotion-driven, as is to be expected under the circumstances, and have shown far more ugliness than I'd hope to expect. But I've read enough to know that ONE individual made a spurious claim that Andy was perpetrating a scam. Another poster claimed to have called JH and "confirmed" the first post. Based on these posts, THE VAST MAJORITY of the half dozen or so people now being lambasted as naysayers, unChristian cynics and worse, asked LEGITIMATE questions and made LEGITIMATE requests for *any* form of verification of the facts. For this, they're called ghouls, vicious, and are wished some pretty ugly deaths.

Nice, Libs.

Funny, when the American people unquestioningly accept what's being told to them by their elected reps, ministers, friends / coworkers or even family members, we call 'em sheeple... and worse. When one of us voices questions of (insert social / political subject here) and are challenged for Questioning Authorituh, we all huddle here and commiserate over the fascistic tactics of Freepers. But when it's "one of our own" being challenged, the cyber lynch mob is ready to ride.

Frankly, the personal attacks against people who simply asked for *any* form of documentation have been, IMO, the second most disgraceful acts I've seen in this series of events. (The first being, of course, the presumably deliberate attempt to "debunk" Andy's situation)

FWIW, I don't believe he was "forced to display very personal and private medical records." I'd be willing to bet that copies of the checks to JH (as already posted) OR any much more vague piece of info would have been acceptable to them... of course, the fact that his diagnosis has been publicly discussed here does kinda negate the charge of forcing him to display....

Hopefully, when emotions and tempers cool a little, a lot of people here will reflect on their actions and comments, and give serious consideration to mending a few fences.

[qanda]

116. Actually, I was the one who not just claimed to call Johns Hopkins

But actually did call Johns Hopkins and was told exactly what I posted that I was told. However, I had incorrect information and acted on that incorrect information. I have apologized profusely for my role in all of this and have even given money, that I don't have, to try to make restitution.

I appreciate your post, because it touches the heart of what is so wrong in bashing people who just want to know that they are not being taken. What I did was inexcusable, in that I posted something that should have been taken to the administration of this website, but my actions were to protect this website from what I thought, at the time, was a fraud being perpetrated on it. I have since learned that I was completely wrong, but asking for proof that $50,000 is going to be used for what someone said it was going to be used for is not a crime and is not shameful.

I hope that cooler heads will prevail soon and that Andy will get the operation and peace that he needs. I am sorry that I didn't keep my mouth shut, but what's done is done and unfortunately what was done has hurt a good man.

[Zodiak]

122. I would forgive you.

I understand completely the kind of paranoia we all get because, basically, we feel that everyone around us is turning into a Machiavellian monster while * runs roughshod over us. We get jaded...we become cynical. We look before we leap. We all make mistakes. Forgiveness lies in atonement,and as far as I am concerned, this post is just that.

[comsymp]

171. You must feel terrible about this mess

And you have my sympathy. You also have my respect for correcting your error the way you did.

To cooler heads :toast:

[comsymp]

176. Too late to edit the above post but I want to add

FWIW, I meant no offense when I said "claimed to." I simply meant that I wasn't there when you did it, and can only repeat your statement without any direct knowledge of my own... which, if you think about it, is kinda what this whole "naysayer" brouhaha is all about-

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

141. Probably the first time that I disagree with you in a big way

Yes one person made a claim. Yes only a handful went along. Yes some people made legitimate requests and I don't think anyone would have argued if all they asked for was documentation...but to post it over and over and over and over demonstrates an agenda FAR beyond Andy and proof of illness.

Furthermore, would it be asking too much for them to ask BEFORE THE FACT rather than enable a troll AFTER THE FACT?

People can indeed question. People CAN verify, but one thing I *LOVE* about the south and how you and I came to be friends was that it's a tradition to KNOW when to demonstrate a little class.

It was 50,000 bucks from HUNDREDS of people. The ones that took the BIGGEST risks in trusting cared the least.

There's an old saying that if you hear the sound of hooves outside your window, it's probably horses not zebras.

If you followed the threads from the start to the manner in which Andy came to be referred to JH, you'd have far less doubt than if you came only at the time the funds were raised.

Skepticism is useful...cynicism is cruel...and the TIMELINESS of the questions does indeed matter.

Regarding the TIMELINESS..here's how I look at it...I put myself in Andy's shoes...I put myself in the shoes of a person that risked 20, 50, or 100 or 500...which shoes weigh more?

[comsymp]

170. Ya KNOW I love ya~

And I completely understand the basis for your disagreement and respect your POV. One important (to me) mitigating factor regarding the timeliness of the questions, is that they *mostly* seemed to have been raised in response to the first - and only - (later fully debunked) challenges to authenticity, seems perfectly understandable to me. Hell, even Skinner (and here I'm running the risk of getting this post pulled for "calling out") ultimately weighed in with a similar expression of interest in being provided something more concrete (my interpretation). It's my understanding that Andy or someone had posted verification of his condition well before the money issue arose, but that info was nuked. That's a pity, as it *may have* headed all this mess off. Hindsight = 20/20, right?

We've both "known" Andy for years, through his various incarnations here and elsewhere, and based on our own familiarity with him, it was patently ridiculous to us that his motives were questionable. Not everybody here has the advantage of being informed by similar experience, though. There's no doubt that some, excluding the one who started this mess, could have used a little more tact in their questioning BUT it appears to me that everyone who dared to express a POV similar to Skinner's (that's twice), regardless of how it was expressed, was tarred with the same brush. And that, although I appreciate the sensitivity of the issue, especially to those who've made an emotional investment in the board and many of its members, was wrong.

:pals:

[s-cubed]

152. Actually, I think some of the "doubters" might

have looked at the other posts more carefully. When so many people (including myself) said they knew Andy personally and could vouch for the fact that he was sick, a reasonable person might stop & think that a scam could hardly involve so many people. Andy never tried to hide: he was openly at the Columbus workshop, he posted pictures of himself on DU. He'd make a damn poor scammer! He's been very open all along about the diagnosis.

I agree with your point that people have to be able to ask questions without receiving personal attacks, but a few people kept asking the same questions over and over, (apparently) just to keep the pot boiling. Without "proof" - all of which was back in Seattle - what could we offer but our confirmation that we knew and loved Andy? How many people attesting to a fact does it take to persuade someone? It only took one to cause people to doubt, yet many, many more vouched for Andy. It seems a tad unbalanced, don't you think? One of the reasons I love this forum is that most DUers have a high regard for the truth.

I called the number at Johns Hopkins that was posted, too, to tell them that Andy was not a fraud: I spoke to the woman who answered the phone, and then to a lawyer in the legal department. I'm sure others did the same.

If you had heard Andy begging PayPal to release the money, as I did, you would never have doubted. No one should have to beg for his life the way he did. No one should be put through the kind of mental anguish he had to suffer, on top of the fear of the cancer itself.

I hope that in the future, those who were quick to doubt will look at the total picture: a few saying X, but many, manyf DUers saying Y. I probably can trust the majority who are saying Y, because these are people I know to be part of a real community.

I hope you don't take this as a personal attack: it's not meant that way. I'm trying to consttructively answer your post.

[comsymp]

174. This is going to sound snarky, but it REALLY isn't meant that way

Who are you?

Or, if you'd prefer, do you know me?

No, right? Of course I'm familiar with your handle and some / many of your posts, and you may have seen me around here occasionally. But we don't have any sort of Real Life history together. The fact that others here vouched for Andy really doesn't carry that much weight with me BECAUSE I don't know y'all. I've briefly met 3 DUers IRL and have "known" several others for, wow, just over 4 years now. But for the most part, those who vouched for Andy were essentially telling others here to take the word of strangers about another stranger. (side note - i never got the logic of personal references on job or rental / credit applications for the same reason)

As I just replied to NSMA (above), I've "known" Andy, both here and elsewhere, for several years and didn't doubt his story, personally. But others who may be *even slightly* less familiar with his history here don't have that luxury. And it's their right to raise questions - repeatedly, if necessary.

I hope that in the future, those who were quick to cast aspersions on those who doubted, AND those who simply had the temerity to question will ALSO look at the total picture: if some say X and others say Y, then it's understandable, even laudable, to want more info. Bashing - and I use the word confidently - other members who dare to question, or assuming that their legitimate requests for information must conceal some nefarious purpose, hurts a real community.

I appreciate both the tone and message of your post and hope you'll accept my response in the same spirit.

[EFerrari]

169. I had people privately ask me very reasonable questions

and I tried to address them to the best of my ability. Several of us trying to organize this did the same.

These people did not pose their questions AFTER the fact, in a huge public forum, or re-ask them endlessly once they'd been answered. They were either satisfied or they were not. They either chose to donate or they did not. They were grown ups.

[comsymp]

175. Apparently, we have differing criteria for being grown ups.

ALL the events related to Andy's condition and prospective treatment have been discussed "in a huge public forum." It's logical that questions would be brought up the same way. Seems to me that the responses to the questions would then be to the benefit of all. I just don't get the logic behind expecting questions to be asked privately.

As I just replied to NSMA above, it makes sense to me that questions would arise AFTER the fact, as that's when a challenge (later shown to be erroneous, but a challenge nonetheless) to the original story arose.

I also don't agree that the questions were re-asked endlessly once they'd been answered. The only "answers" I saw basically boiled down to "because we said so" or "I'll vouch for him", coming from other posters on an anonymous message board. Now, you may say, "then they could / should have kept quiet and just not donated." I'd respond that DU, by definition, isn't a forum meant to attract people who don't ask questions. To me, questioning both / all sides of any story seems like the grown up thing to do.

I applaud all of you who put this thing together. Y'all did a good thing. But some folks have come down way too hard on folks who were (I have no reason to doubt) genuinely concerned, or even just curious, about both the massive fundraising effort and the conflicting stories.

[EFerrari]

182. Apparently we do, but let's see if we can clear this up anyway

Many events related to this were not discussed in public because to do so is, for one thing, a violation of Federal Law.

And, we all know our public conversations can become fodder for trolls. That's why God (or someone) made PMing and email.

So, there are no bad questions but there is using common sense in the context of these two features of the situation. Does that help?

[comsymp]

185. Not really. First, NOT a violation of Federal law,

so let's put that misconception to rest for everybody's benefit. HIPAA does *not* apply to private individuals like folks here, who aren't in Andy's healthcare chain.

More specificially:

The HIPAA provisions, by statute, apply only to –

the following persons:
A health plan.
A health care clearinghouse.
A health care provider who transmits any health information in electronic form in connection with a transaction referred to in section 1320d-2(a)(1) of this title.


Next, much of the conflicting information has been aired, again publicly, by the... let's call 'em protagonists in this situation.

F'rinstance, this thread didn't help. In fact, it raised even more questions, including a couple by avowed FOA's.

[EFerrari]

190. Okay.

So, as you point out, I could not have made reposted here any communication with, for example, the finance director in Admitting because that would be a violation of

"A health care provider who transmits any health information in electronic form in connection with a transaction referred to in section 1320d-2(a)(1) of this title"

something stated very plainly in the footers of said communications, which in general, look like this:

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE - WARNING: Unauthorized interception
or use of
this transmission could be a violation of Federal and State
Laws. The
documents accompanying this transmission contain
confidential
information belonging to the sender. This information is
furnished on
the condition that it will be used only for the purpose for
which it was
requested or intended.

Health Care Information is personal and sensitive
information related
to a person's health care. If this transmission contains
Health Care
information, it is being sent to you after appropriate
authorization
from the patient or under circumstances that do not require
patient
authorization. Re-disclosure without additional patient
authorization or
as otherwise permitted is prohibited. You, the recipient,
are obligated
to maintain it in a safe, secure and confidential manner.
Unauthorized
re-disclosure or failure to maintain confidentiality could
subject you
to penalties described in federal and state laws.

This information is intended only for the use of the
individual or
entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient,
or an
employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the
intended
recipient, you are hereby notified that any use,
disclosure,
reproduction, distribution or any action in reliance on the
contents of
these documents is strictly prohibited. If you have
received this
information in error, please notify the sender immediately
concerning
the error and disposition of this transmission.

* * *

As to the "conflicting stories", anyone who actually followed the situation knew that it was dynamic, and in fact, continues to be. Negotiations tend to be and the ongoing transactions with JH are at bottom, financial negotiations.

I think that's as helpful as I can be.

[comsymp]

191. You lost me on that one

Seriously. Sorry.

So, as you point out, I could not have made reposted here any communication with, for example, the finance director in Admitting because that would be a violation of

"A health care provider who transmits any health information in electronic form in connection with a transaction referred to in section 1320d-2(a)(1) of this title"

The only reasons you, yourself, would have been in violation are if a) you're involved in a professional way (that you fall under the criteria set by CMS in my previous post), or b) if you intercepted that communication meant for someone else. If you're considered a private citizen, you have basically nothing to worry about, although I'd recommend getting Andy's written permission, of course.

The confidentiality notice you c/p'ed is pretty standard in the HC industry these days so I just kinda skimmed it. (18 yrs in healthcare industry - BTDTGTTS)

I do appreciate your communication and, again, I think you and others are doing a good thing. I just wish folks hadn't been so shamefully ugly to people here who didn't deserve it.

[EFerrari]

192. I agree about ugliness. It never helps any situation

and usually makes them painfully worse. Staying in charge of yourself (and your posting) during a crisis is a valuable skill. :hi:

[comsymp]

193. On THAT, we're in full agreement!!!

peace

:hug:

[EFerrari]

195. Lesson learned

When I asked the admins for the first fund raising thread, I could have taken the initiative, and worked out verification before the fact. I underestimated the potential for confusion.

That part is definitely on me. As I've never done anything on this scale before, it didn't occur to me to do more than follow directions and be as clear as I could be. The time constraints didn't help my predictive abilities. :eyes:

[Misunderestimator]

109. Hello? I, for one, am damn PROUD of the DU community...

that they were there to support their friend. I have seen only a few people actually ask for proof.

Try to remember that only a few out of THOUSANDS of us expressed any suspicion regarding MrNiceGuyDied's disruption. You should continue to fill your heart with gratitude and pride, instead of buying into one person's plan to steal it from you.

[fooj]

131. I apparently was not as clear as I should have been...

I stated in my post that I WITNESSED THE GENEROSITY AND COMPASSION here at DU and I was so filled with gratitude and pride. My response was intended for those who chose to partake in a thread (the other day) that had over 550 posts. This level of harrassment was not from just one individual. One individual may have initiated the free-for-all, however it takes many more than one to reach that amount of posts. I accept responsibility for not being more specific in my initial post. I mean no malice to you personally or anyone else here that has pure intentions. That's not who I am and that's not how I choose to conduct myself. I apologize if I offended any DUer by generalizing. I allowed my emotions to get the best of me.

Peace.

[merh]

137. ((((((( h u g )))))))))

:hug:

:loveya:

[ultraist]

140. Thanks fooj!

It's cool. :smoke:

I've noticed your posts in the other Andy threads standing firm---passion is a GOOD thing. ;)

[hiley]

147. hugs for you fooj

solidarity


"You Must be the Change you Wish to see in the world"
Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)
http://www.gandhiproject.org/project/project.html

These mid-wives are purported to have said they no longer look forward to births as.... "We don't know what's going to come out."
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

[Misunderestimator]

173. It's all good... I'm disappointed too by the level to which a few

have brought their suspicions. I understand what you mean. Peace.

[GreenPartyVoter]

50. Well, I had no idea you were 43. :^) How are you doing today? *hugs*

[Andy_Stephenson]

51. Damn...now

I can't lie about my age anymore. Shit I forgot to redat that piece.

[fooj]

55. You are my hero!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[GreenPartyVoter]

79. :^D

[Individualist]

95. You're just a young'un, Andy

Here's a big hug from someone old enough to be your mom. :hug:

As for the vile excrement who caused you such grief, I would tell you what should be done with them, but posts are prohibited by DU rules.

[Horse with no Name]

HAH!

You're older than I am....;)

Best of luck and take care.
Funny to say this, but the worst part is already over--having to defend your honor. So the rest should sail on through.:)

[s-cubed]

53. Dear Andy

I know you are terribly angry and hurt by what was done to you. Try to direct that anger to your tumor, and salve the hurt with all the messages of love you have gotten and will get.

Please let us know when your surgery is scheduled for, if it has been. You and Ted are welcome to spend the weekend here if Miss Waverley needs a break! (She must be an angel!)

:grouphug: :loveya: :grouphug: :loveya: to Ted and Andy

[Fovea]

54. Thanks for sharing. But I believe you.

BTW, good to see you in good hands.

[Name removed]

57. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

63. I wish they were in your shoes instead of you

[Andy_Stephenson]

67. NSMA...

I would not wish this on anyone....

[FlaGranny]

75. I can only imagine

what you are going through - I had pancreatitis once and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

Forget all this nonsense now and concentrate on taking care of yourself. Find something to laugh at. Laughter is absolutely the best in health care.

[NoPasaran]

69. Edit that thought

I wish they were in concrete overshoes at the bottom of a lake.

[Andy_Stephenson]

71. I'll edit again...

I wish no one harm. I have a whole new perspective since becoming sick.

[ultraist]

80. Well said!

Success is the best revenge, anyway. I'm optimistic Andy, that you will have much success with your surgery, recovery, and your future work! And remember, that MOST of the DU community never doubted you! ;)

[NoPasaran]

89. Awwww, ya big lug

:hug:

[izzybeans]

70. My post from earlier on this very issue

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3636030&mesg_id=3644403

My regards Andy.

[Bouncy Ball]

73. Andy, seriously

don't read that place. I won't even click on links to it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

77. Don't even bother with them Andy. You need to get well. As for ass Bill

in GA...no banks do not have to imprint their location on a cashier check receipt. It's not a negotiable item. Only negotiable items need have a routing number on them, dumbfuck.

Andy, I am so sorry there are people in this world that would try to stand between you and life. Leave them to us. They've got nothing better to do than troll a website. :hug:

[CornField]

86. Andy - they're already being handled

And doncha worry... we're wearing protection so that nothing rubs off in the process.

I expect you to do nothing more than think of yourself (and only yourself) for the next week.

[Walt Starr]

88. It just goes to show, you now know where at least part of this shit

started from. Pretty much proves those bastards started this shit or were in cahoots with the person(s) who did.

Just goes to show you how evil people can really be.

[Rainbowreflect]

59. Take care of yourself.

Don't worry about the naysayers concentrate on getting yourself healthy.
You are in my thoughts & prayers.
:hug:

[Susang]

60. I can't believe you had to go this far

I'm glad you had the courage to do it. :toast:

[Coexist]

62. I think this is against HICVA!!!

You naughty boy!

[Kazak]

65. Looks a little bit like Bush's military records...

;)

[BattyDem]

66. I never doubted you. I appreciate you posting this but ...

I think it's disgusting that you felt you HAD to post this! :grr:

A couple of trolls throw some bullshit around and you're forced to clean up the mess while fighting the biggest fight you'll ever face! I swear ... I could live to be 1000 years old and still I'd never understand why some people live to cause trouble and love to bask in the misery of others. It makes no sense to me at all. :shrug:

I hope the doubts will finally be put to rest so you can concentrate on your health. Take care of yourself. :hug:

[meti57b]

74. right-wingers say funds for those in need should be privately contributed

and not come from the government or from tax-deductible health plans. So, we get together and contribute funds for someone with a life-threatening health condition, who has no health insurance.

So, what happens? the right-wing does their best to obstruct and derail our contributions project and obstruct the life-saving medical treatment that is needed immediately. If that isn't enough, they think what they are doing is funny.

I have too many years of employer-mandated sanctions against unacceptable language, so I'll have to describe it as this.

That right-wing has shown us their hypocrisy, depravity, complete lack of morality and their self-hatred.

Perhaps someone else can provide a more apt description.

[Bouncy Ball]

81. Good point.

[Ladyhawk]

154. That's a damn fine point and it makes me sick. n/t

:(

[slackmaster]

78. I never doubted Andy at all

And I was glad to be able to help out in a small way.

All the small contributions really added up!

[Blue_In_AK]

82. Andy, I had no doubts...

I would have sent some cash myself, but we just returned from a two-week vacation and I don't get paid when I don't work, so I'm a little short this month. If you need anything for follow-up, though, in a couple of months, I will be more than happy to contribute. Best wishes to you, and get well soon.

[meganmonkey]

83. Andy, you are so damn feisty - I don't know how you do it.

We are healed of a suffering only by experiencing it to the full
-- Marcel Proust

Well, thanks to you-know-who, you have experienced this to the full, no question about that. It is a shame that you felt you had to post your private records just to silence a (very) few naysayers...but I expect they'll keep their mouths shut now. As if you aren't going through enough already...

I hope you have time to relax right now, and to feel good. You need it and deserve it. I wish I could give you a little shoulder rub but I am too far from Baltimore. I imagine Termite is pretty good at that.

Take care, and know that love is pouring to you from all corners of this country right now.

:hug:

[enigmatic]

85. Andy, concentrate on getting well

Fuck this other shit; it's over.

[Tinoire]

90. Andy! I can't even believe you felt obliged! Please let it go

for your own peace of mind that you badly need during this period.

WE HAVE YOUR BACK!!!

and pffft to the scum troll that tried to stir up trouble.

Take care my friend and rest, rest, rest!

Make sure you get someone to bring you a couple crab cakes from Phillips. From nowhere else but Phillips. Call Sparkly and Husb2Sparkly, they'll know ;)

[progmom]

91. i'm sorry you felt like you had to do this

And I hope you realize most all of us here didn't give a shit what the trolls were saying.

:hug:

[MamaBear]

92. Hey Andy

:loveya: Just get well, ok? And thanks for everything. You've given us a great opportunity to come together as a community. Thanks for accepting our help. :loveya:

[sojourner]

93. Dear Andy..........forget this crap!

Many of us are expressing this sentiment. PLEASE listen.

I know you want to be sure no one doubts you. But, dear, you surely have learned that this is simply not possible. There will always be naysayers and doubters and there will always be those who wish to do harm to others - though they so often do it under the guise of "protectors".

Your doctors will confirm that healing occurs best when a patient's attitude is positive - *read that as "accepting" of healing* - so once more, I'll say it... forget this crap!

Turn your attention to the love that's been expressed for you here. This is not idle sentimentality, but love that has resulted in action!

Turn your attention to the love, and gently, GENTLY, let go of anything else. Feel the love that we here continue to express and LET GO of the distractions of those who try to rob you of the healing that the universe has made available to you.

[Andy_Stephenson]

94. I am going to win this battle.

I am giving it my all. Thanks for your post.

[OzarkDem]

123. What cancer cannot do

What Cancer Cannot Do

Cancer is so limited...

It cannot cripple love
It cannot shatter hope
It cannot corrode faith
It cannot destroy peace
It cannot kill friendship
It cannot suppress memories
It cannot silence courage
It cannot invade the soul
It cannot steal eternal life
It cannot conquer the spirit.

[otohara]

96. Never Doubted

not for one second...best wishes for a sucessful operation and recovery. Thanks for the nice letter.

[Historic NY]

103. Andy now will you please go and get some rest.............

its not good to stress out on this BS.


PS and don't even think about checking out the other board...I did now I have to go shower.

[Lisa0825]

104. Someone on the *other board* said something about the reports

not being on letterhead. I just got back my test results from my thyroid test, and they look quite similar. No letterhead, simple text, just the stats.

[ScreamingMeemie]

106. Don't waste time on the "other board", I was there for a little bit and

while there are some sane people there, many are angry, small people who spend an entire day here...just to run back and post about it there. I went with the intentions of proving (mostly to myself) that there are good on both sides. They basically spew out the pablum given to them by GWB and crew and take it as God's word. It's sad. I proved that...until this, I honestly thought they had shut down. My old link doesn't work...they must have moved. It's a small group of angry people not worth your time. :hi:

[Lisa0825]

107. yeah, I rarely go there, but someone posted a link, and

curiosity got the best of me! It always amazes me how petty they are.

[ScreamingMeemie]

108. One would think they'd be happy that their "man" is in office...but then,

it sucks to be proven wrong on a daily basis. :hi:

[Goldmund]

119. I got BANNED from that board.

I see they like to brag they don't ban DUers. Sorry to brag too, but I accomplished that feat.

[dogday]

183. Join The Club, I got banned on my first post

[Goldmund]

184. First post??? How did THAT happen?

[dogday]

187. The topic was about Delay and all I said was

That we teach our children to take responsiblity for their own actions not to blame others and their actions for ours. That was it and the next thing I know I get this purple like page saying

http://www.freerepublic.com/~dogday/


Nothing free about those people.............

[Goldmund]

188. Oh, oh, FR...

That doesn't surprise me. They are easy on the trigger.

I was talking about that OTHER forum. I played their game for a little while, schoolyard barbs and all, and they didn't feel so good about that so I got banned.

[Tess49]

114. I work in diagnostic imaging. Reports are never on letterhead

in the facility I work in. The radiologist dictates the report, it is transcribed, and printed on printer paper. Copies go in the patient's chart if the patient is an inpatient. If an outpatient, we fax a copy to the physician who ordered the exam. It goes across as a typed report, and there is no letterhead.

[fleabert]

112. I never doubted it.

It sucks it had to come to this.

Focus on your recovery now, put this shit behind you!

[Catherine Vincent]

115. I suppose next, they'll want a live video feed in the operating room.

Sigh....:eyes:

[happyphantom]

121. live video feed

...actually they want digital pictures from the operating room, so you aren't far off! Big stink over the cashiers checks being made out to John Hopkins instead of Johns Hopkins. Truth be told...there are several posters on other sites who are wishing Andy well, which is nice to see.

[ScreamingMeemie]

144. If I had a nickel for everytime an employer misspelled my maiden name on a

paycheck...It ended in "sen" and they always spelled it "son"...sign it wrong and then sign it right, as long as it's close it's negotiable. :hi:

[annabanana]

118. geez Andy...I thought I told you to UNPLUG

this unruly place..let US deal with the bad guys
and
treat yourself as nicely as you possibly can...

[Zodiak]

120. Shameful

Perhaps one of the worst things that anyone can do on the internet is question someone's integrity when their behavior and actions have only shown otherwise. Drama for drama's sake is good for entertainment, but bad for a sense of community, and bad for people's stress levels. Those that are truthful and honest get REALLY hurt when their integrity is questioned, so it is wise to not pull that trigger without overwhelming evidence.

And at a very poor time.

It is shameful that so many hang out on message boards to be contrarians. There are real people here, not just electrons.

Heal, Andy, and put others' negativity behind you.

[Lisa0825]

135. Welcome to DU, Zodiak!

:hi:

[understandinglife]

145. "There are real people here, not just electrons." Well stated. Welcome.

Yes, the overwhelming number of good people here have witnessed just how poisonous a drop of sewage is.

A fine, giving person has a life-threatening illness.

Many people know this person.

Many more know of this person's exceptional dedication to America.

Almost all responded with generosity -- be it of spirit or $$.

DU is a valuable community. Skepticism and criticism are valuable tools when used in the spirit of improving a situation or avoiding failure. Almost all folk I've exchanged views with at DU respect those tools and use them skillfully.

Nothing is perfect; we do fail to be the person we want to be, at times. Respect typically expands for a person capable of admitting that and apologizing. Several here have more of my respect today than they did a week or month ago.

That said. The next time a glaringly obvious attack on a person or an obviously egregious racist, sexist, ..... statement is posted, and we all know its going to happen more and more on certain issues, I urge the simple actions of alert the mods and hit the snooze (ignore) button. Push yourself away from the keyboard, if necessary. Give the poster zero electrons; zero satisfaction.

In other words, the last thing any of us should do is acknowledge an evil person with a direct response, here.

And, yes, the person is evil who attacked Andy. And, yes, that person is not just electrons and they derived much satisfaction, no doubt, with the considerable disturbance they caused, and the considerable pain they caused Andy.

Next time, show them no electrons and let them experience what they deserve -- being ignored and blocked. And, if necessary, lawyers know just what to do with libel and, worse, the use of words to attempt to deny someone access to life-saving treatment (in Andy's case, the loss of donated funds could have had exactly that consequence).

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Those are real people that Bu$h and his fristian-valued, neoconster buddies are slaughtering or having tortured.

[merh]

148. The alerting didn't work.

I alerted as did several others and then I had to start pmailing every mod I could find in any forum.

It was a calculated attack with moles stepping in to perpetuate the suspicion and hate. Then poor newbies or uninformed posters got caught up in it and all hell broke loose. The hate and evil had a life of its own.

We tried to shut it down, but it didn't happen soon enough. :shrug:

[understandinglife]

162. That is a helpful observation and contribution to the 'lesson learned' ...

.... aspect(s) of this unfortunate incident. Not only must each experienced DUer be vigilant to alert and to refrain from recognizing the evil-doers, but those moderating may want to consider refinements to their response mechanisms.

Everyone has something to learn from this situation. I just did.

Thank you.


www.missionnotaccoplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day America will have begun truly to be "America," again.

[EFerrari]

163. I alerted very quickly after the first post because I recognized the

signature from mail in my own box.

[EFerrari]

168. I love that :"Show them no electrons"

Wiser words were never spoken.

:)

[goodboy]

124. Andy:

Fuck those fuckers.

Please, for the love of GOD unplug the computer for a while...

Focus on you.

[troubleinwinter]

125. Andy, I am grateful for the opportunity I have had

through the fund raising effort to turn my little peices of green paper into thoughts of love, tokens of respect and admiration for someone so deserving, and to turn them into a work towards life.

Nah, I didn't read the report... to me, it is meaningless and irrelevant, compared to the word of such an honorable man as yourself. So put that there in yer pipe and have at it!

[troubleinwinter]

126. Oh yeah! And I vote with goodboy, "fuck those fuckers"!!

[Catherine Vincent]

128. Yeah,

fuck those fuckers....and their pResident too!

[fooj]

133. Hey Trouble, is that you flirting again?

hahahahahahahahaha!

Peace.

[troubleinwinter]

134. Uhmmm... no... why? Is Sparky here?

[fooj]

136. I was just kidding around!

I'm not having a very good day...I think my hormones are in the middle of a civil war!

Peace.

[merh]

139. fooj

:hi:

Give yourself a break. You have had to deal with alot and on top of what is going on in your world, you find the things got a little kooky here. Just relax! You are loved and you will be okay! :hug:

:hippie: peace!

:smoke:

[MadisonProgressive]

129. Andy, 99.99% of us didn't need to see those records or the checks

But you've made your point well to the repuke trolls of the internets. Please you need to start thinking good and calming thoughts - you need all your strength and wit to wage your fight. And let us worry about the fools.

Best of luck and I'll be saying prayers for you (or at least in my case, I'll be meditating in union with the great spirit that connects all life.

[mcscajun]

156. One of the 99.99% says... Well Put!

Didn't need proof. Holding nothing but good thoughts.

[patcox2]

194. Sad to see 99% of "us" are idiots.

Don't speak for me. I am sorry for Andy's illness and I am glad the suspicions have turned out to be false, but anyone who is totally without doubt and completely accepts at face value any appeal for money over the internet is a fool.

[MadisonProgressive]

203. "any appeal for money over the internet is a fool"

This wasn't just 'any appeal'. And when I give money that means that I am willingly parting with something so that another may have it. I did that - and once it's done, it's done! It's solely my responsibility! And I believe in Andy!

Don't let the freeper trolls ruin your day, Andy!

[entanglement]

130. As one who watched this whole unhappy drama I am

truly sorry your medical troubles were compounded by the lies of an extremely evil person. I never doubted you for an instant, and I know from personal experience how painful it is to be slandered. Remember that for the one troll that opposed you, there is a veritable army of well-wishing DUers on your side. I can also assure you that there are many more anonymous well-wishers praying for your recovery. So cheer up!

:toast: :toast: :toast:
entanglement

[expatriate]

138. Much of what I want to say has already been said, so

I'll post a poem that has been popping into my head during the last few days with all the trolling and doubting and drama that has been going on.

"As we live, we are transmitters of life.
And when we fail to transmit life, life fails to flow through us.

That is part of the mystery of sex, it is a flow onwards.
Sexless people transmit nothing.

And if, as we work, we can transmit life into our work,
life, still more life, rushes into us to compensate, to be ready
and we ripple with life through the days.

Even if it is a woman making an apple dumpling, or a man a stool,
if life goes into the pudding, good is the pudding
good is the stool,
content is the woman, with fresh life rippling in to her,
content is the man.

Give, and it shall be given unto you
is still the truth about life.
But giving life is not so easy.
It doesn't mean handing it out to some mean fool, or letting the living dead eat you up.
It means kindling the life-quality where it was not,
even if it's only in the whiteness of a washed pocket-handkerchief. " D.H. Lawrence

There will always be those who will, for some reason or another, remain determined to be what they consider skeptical or cynical. They're the people who will say the same things again and again, no matter what evidence is put in front of them. Their favorite words are "yeah, but" and their passive aggressive games and the pain and frustration they cause others are their lifeblood. No amount of evidence or reason will budge them, and they will never be satisfied, because what they want is not really proof - what they want is drama and to know that they are causing distress. They are what Lawrence calls "the living dead".

You've transmitted a lot of life, Andy, with your good works and determination to make America a better place. I am privileged to have been able, by giving with both hands open and a happy heart, to have been part of transmitting life back to you.

Be well, my unmet friend.

[nomatrix]

146. Andy, I believe there a cancer support group

that meets at the hospital (at least there used to be). I suspect there are lots of people there who are afraid and have no one to encourage them.
My suggestion (if you haven't already) go to one of these meetings. Pass on what was freely given here at DU. All that is good. Kindness of strangers, united. Hundreds if not thousands. Give those people some hope.

You have that in you. As you pass it on, so will others.

Turn off your computer. It will help you to let go of this distraction in your recovery.

Stress fuels cancer.

Listen to books on tape. Do something you've never done before. Besides all of this, you have quit smoking. Something to busy your hands, write a journal. Learn meditation with books on tape.

Check in now and then. Andy, I beg you to just try this for one day.
You have to take care of You. DU will still be here when you come back.

Now, to the ones who find this amusing, I have one word for you. Karma.

[bratcatinok]

155. Andy, I agree with Nomatrix's suggestion about turning getting involved

in any of the cancer support groups at John Hopkins. It's a funny thing but you think you're actually receiving a lot more suppost than youre giving, but the opposite is true. No, you won't have all of the answers but what you'll have to offer is yourself and there's someone waiting to hear from someone like you. I don't know why it works, it just does since I've seen it happen so many times in my own life.

Now, I have to touch on a somewhat serious matter. I went to the ER room last night because I've been having stomach problems since last July. Turns out it was nothing more than being severely constipated. Anyway, I think I may have donated one of my tennis shoes with a large slab of ice in it. Either that or I was having some very strange dreams. Just in case you do get a female size 6, blue tenny full of ice, you have my permission to toss it out. I do have to admit to having some strange dreams today so maybe that's what it was instead of me actually taking the action.

Hang in there and know you have my prayers and best wishes!

[Raksha]

150. Don't let the bastards get you down, Andy.

As I said before, I have never doubted your integrity.

[im10ashus]

151. Honey, you don't have to prove anything to us.

We all know there are some people who would rather spew forth ugly bile than wish someone well. You are a bigger person than "her" and you had me at hello.

[Kurovski]

153. Andy, please let all this out of your head.

it can't be good for you to stress over all this.

Easier said than done, I know, but you've got to rest.

All my best wishes to you!

[mzmolly]

157. Take good care of YOU and remember you have so many who

care about you. :hug:

[Hissyspit]

159. I've been asleep all day. Hey, someone has to post the LBN at 4:30 am...

So, I miss a lot. Anyway, here now to say:

GET WELL SOON, ANDY! :D

[EFerrari]

164. Hey, thank you. You're my morning paper now.

:)

[lilymercury]

161. Good luck Andy. Good thoughts are with you. n/t

[Hissyspit]

186. Welcome to DU, lilymercury

[lilymercury]

202. Thanks Hissy! n/t

:hi:

:hi: all!

[alfredo]

165. I'd rather see you smiling.

[Donailin]

166. Well, I've been following this for months now, and

did the emotional/financial support very early on. At the very same time, I was experiencing wierdness in my right quadrant and so I did all manner of online diagnosis. (No insurance here either) I recall the two or three days when I thought I might have pancreatic cancer -- went so far as to post in a pay per question gastrointerology forum. Turns out it's only gall stones, thankfully. But I learned more than I ever wanted to know about the pancreas as well as liver, kidney and colon. And what I know is this: time is of the essence when it comes to the pancreas. I am really anxious for you to get this whipple procedure already. The first half of the miracle is accomplished -- the experts, and the money to pay them. So when are you going? I prayed and hoped all last week, and especially Tuesday. Are the surgeons telling you a a few days wait is no problem?

Let's do this! <----taking on the team player tone.

[EFerrari]

196. If I may, Andy has been rescheduled for the latter part of the month

but has been asked to hang out in Baltimore in case there is a cancellation.

We're good to go. :)

[Donailin]

167. Wait a minute. . what is that about the nodules in the lung. . ?n/t

[EFerrari]

201. May be unrelated. n/t

[Mairead]

172. Andy, concentrate on getting your health back, nothing else.

Nobody with even two brain cells to rub together doubted the reality of your situation.

[Toucano]

178. Exactly. Don't give this another thought. n/t

[nicknameless]

197. Hey, being a national treasure and all,

shouldn't you be resting up and conserving your energy?
Please stop fretting over moles/trolls and the malice spurred by their shriveled little black hearts.
:hi:

[cornermouse]

200. Dear Andy.

After the operation send each of the naysayers a small piece of your removed pancreas, with or without formaldehyde.

O8)

All right, I was teasing. Getting well is the best proof and that's all you need to think about. Forget the naysayers. They aren't worth it.

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Let me add a little to this. Would someone who appears to be as smart as you think up a plot to steal a mere $50,000 with accomplices who would expect their cut?

...No. That sounds more like a freeper.