Scotty just slip : "Fighters don't NEED authorization to interc

[RBHam]

Scotty just slip : "Fighters don't NEED authorization to intercept unauthorized aircraft...it's AUTOMATIC!!!!!"

Except on 9-11, right Scotty?

You should have seen how nervous he was, praying no White House Corpse member would bring up the contrast of 9-11 and the Payne Stewart affair...

OHHH! The web we weave.......

[northzax]

1. maybe the rules have changed since 9/11?

thought of that? Rules of engagement do change.

[RBHam]

5. Not

These rules have been in effect for years - hundreds of routine intercepts are undertaken each year...go see David Ray Griffin's lecture and review Paul Thompson's timeline - you'll find them in the 9-11 forum...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

Here's one of THE most credible sites on the search for truth:

http://cooperativeresearch.org/

[zbdent]

6. Don't forget the Payne Stewart issue

when the jets were scrambled in time to shoot down, if necessary.

But there were no intercepts for hijacks, eh?

[northzax]

10. the application of them certainly has

but I guess it's easier to believe that several hundred people conspired in the mass murder of their fellow citizens, putting nothing on paper at any time.

if you want that is.

[CornField]

2. Where was this?

[librechik]

3. yes--the corpse did not rise to the occasion

like most dead horse, beating it won't make it come back to life.

[DireStrike]

4. There's always the old standby, "everything changed on 9/11"

Now they can always say that when they do something, to hide how suspicious it looks.

[Stephanie]

7. Yes, everything changed. On 9/11 they decided to stand down.

Hasn't happened before or since.

[MADem]

8. The issue is not authority, it is capability

There were so many "incursions" into restricted airspace where it was an honest mistake corrected by an air traffic controller, and we were lazy. While we had the "capability" to intercept, we did not have the capability to do so in an aggressively timely manner. Now, because of the events of 2001, we have structured our alert system to respond in a swifter fashion.

It ain't cheap, and the whole issue before the day we changed was money, along with asset distribution.

[harpo]

9. actually I think he is wrong...will have to research

[RBHam]

11. Anybody bring up the war games on 9-11?

Transcript of Representative Cynthia McKinney's Exchange with Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers, and Under Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) Tina Jonas, March 11th, 2005

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/031505_mckinney_transcript.shtml

Excerpt:
CythiaMcKinney: The question was, we had four wargames going on on September 11th, and the question that I tried to pose before the Secretary had to go to lunch was whether or not the activities of the four wargames going on on September 11th actually impaired our ability to respond to the attacks.

RichardMeyers: The answer to the question is no, it did not impair our response, in fact General Eberhart who was in the command of the North American Aerospace Defense Command as he testified in front of the 9/11 Commission I believe - I believe he told them that it enhanced our ability to respond, given that NORAD didn't have the overall responsibility for responding to the attacks that day. That was an FAA responsibility. But they were two CPXs; there was one Department of Justice exercise that didn't have anything to do with the other three; and there was an actual operation ongoing because there was some Russian bomber activity up near Alaska. So we -

CMK: Let me ask you this, then: who was in charge of managing those wargames?

DuncanHunter: General, why don't you give the best answer that you can here in a short a period of time and we'll - the gentlelady wants to get a written answer anyway, and then we can move on to other folks.

RM: The important thing to realize is that North American Aerospace Defense Command was responsible. These are command post exercises; what that means is that all the battle positions that are normally not filled are indeed filled; so it was an easy transition from an exercise into a real world situation. It actually enhanced the response; otherwise, it would take somewhere between 30 minutes and a couple of hours to fill those positions, those battle stations, with the right staff officers.

CMK: Mr. Chairman, begging your indulgence, was September Eleventh declared a National Security Special Event day?

RM: I have to look back; I do not know. Do you mean after the fact, or

CMK: No. Because of the activities going on that had been scheduled at the United Nations that day.

RM: I'd have to go back and check. I don't know.

[RBHam]

12. Standard Operating Procedure was interfered with...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/september2004/200904wargames.htm

[RBHam]

13. Kick

Damn IT!

[Octafish]

14. So, there was no follow up.

Gee. How can anyone get a pass (besides Jeff Gannon) into the White House and NOT ask the follow up question, especially knowing the following:

BUSH KNEW

Did you know he was warned about Osama bin Laden months before 9-11? Before the CIA briefed him at Crawford during his first month-long vacation in August 2001, he had been “forced” to sleep offshore during the G-8 summit in Genoa. The reason: bin Laden threatened to crash the party with a jet plane. This shows, at BEST, Bush's incompetence enabled 9-11. That makes him criminally derelict in his duty as commander-in-chief, an impeachable offense. What’s more likely, based on the results of his leadership in the three years since, Bush just decided to let 9-11 happen as a reason for building up the world’s first sole-superpower police state.

There is no doubt the former counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke, National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and President Clinton personally warned the incoming administration of the dangers posed by bin Laden and Al Quaeda.

Later that summer, DCI George Tenet's hair was afire with all the warnings he was getting. How come he didn't get the info about the flight schools from CIA? Perhaps he'duh warned the airlines or even the flying public?

It's most LIKELY Bush's incompetence was the result of willfull ignorance. That requires no stretch of the imagination. Consider the following evidence, from JUNE-JULY 2001:

Plot to assassinate Bush - reports

Bin Laden: Believed to have a network of guerrillas

July 9, 2001 Posted: 9:23 AM EDT (1323 GMT)

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/


Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation

Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.

A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.
Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

"They are little missiles ... which only have a deterrent function to discourage any aerial-led attack and they do not present any danger to the residents of the city," he said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html

Then there's John Ashcan who stopped flying commercial in July 2001.

Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart reports on Aschcroft's travel arrangements.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines." -- FBI spokesman

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

And then what did BUSH DO POST-9-11? HE BROKE INTERNATIONAL LAW TO INVADE A NATION WITH WHICH WE WERE AT PEACE TO STEAL THE OIL. SO DON'T PICK ON THE FUCKING TROOPS. PLACE THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS -- THE CRIMINAL CABAL RUNNING AND RUINING THE COUNTRY AND PLANET. I CAN'T FUCKING BELEEEEEVE THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO SIDE WITH BUSH.

[RBHam]

15. thanks octafish

info rules

[Octafish]

16. Remember: Why Would Osama Want to Kill Bush, His Business Partner?

You're welcome, RBHam! Great post and most interesting thread. I'm always puzzled by those who won't consider learning something new. One might learn something new, like...

From BEFORE 9-11, more evidence that BUSH KNEW:

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield
 
Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bi Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

Hatfield, in his last article, made it clear he believed Bush was NOT in danger, just acting his cowardly self. Wonder what Hatfield would've thought if he'd lived to see 9-11. I'd bet Bush's social security privatization lootings on the fact he'd mention how Bush and bin Laden were in bed through James R Bath.