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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:30 PM
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Poll question: Should all high speed police chases be outlawed?
Should the police be prohibited from engaging in high speed chases? I think so. What do you think?
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:35 PM
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1. It's irrelevant
The guns on their belts are what kill people. I'd say take the guns away before you outlaw high speed chases.
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:52 PM
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4. Not when the officers crash their cars into civilians
then thier weapon is their car
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:59 PM
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6. I'm saying, statistically
People get shot wrongfully by cops on a weekly basis. Chases kill people too, but not nearly as much. They shouldn't chase anyone but the most wanted suspects, IMO, or people directly suspected of a serious violent crime.

Mainly, I like the idea of an unarmed cop better. He would have to be a much better sort of person, like the gunless cops in England. He would have to be calm and polite and civilized and a natural negotiator.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:17 PM
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10. You're kidding right?
You really expect police officers to be unarmed when they go arrest a criminal or go into a hostage situation or robbery or whatever where there is an armed person?

Yes, certain cop jobs could be handled without a gun, but you seem to want to punish all officers for the few bad ones.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:24 PM
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11. I'm saying
No cop should be patrolling with a gun, ever. Special gun cops should be sent for gun cop situations.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:26 PM
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12. But what if the patrolling cops come across a crime in progress?
Should they ignore it since they are unarmed? Call in for a gun-cop?

The police need better oversight to punish their own who are sadistic thugs who abuse their power. But it's suicide to send cops "out there" unarmed.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:31 PM
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13. Cops don't stop crimes
They drive around, eat for free, hit on chicks, and violate the Constitution to fill quotas. At least in the America I've lived in my whole life. I don't know what fantasyland you're in thinking that cops protect you from crime. A witness is better protection than an armed thug. A homeless dude is more likely to stop a crime in progress.
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Ripley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:52 PM
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15. Oh, I see you are one of those "all cops are pigs" people.
Ta ta.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 02:44 PM
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16. No I'm not.
I've met cops I like as people. I just disapprove of the way their "work" is structured. I think there are too many, they are overpaid, and they are in the wrong places. Don't twist my words.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 02:52 PM
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18. Have you lived in the inner-city areas, by any chance?
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 03:03 PM
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21. Most of my adult life
I've had a death from a high speed chase happen a block from me, but it's nowhere near as frequent as police shootings. They sometimes even shoot each other. It's a mess. We need peacemakers, not more gunslingers.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:40 PM
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2. It's more effective to set up a roadblock and just stop the guy.
And way less dangerous to pedestrians and other motorists.

Some cops had a high-speed chase through our narrow downtown streets recently -- I don't remember what the guy did, but it was minor, certainly not murder or even bank robbery -- and the cops ended up smashing into several parked cars. Thank God there were no people in them...

The guy crashed his car later on, on his way out of town.
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MemphisTiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:53 PM
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5. We had one for a shoplifting incident, I guess our cops
have been watching too many movies
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 02:50 PM
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17. Choppers, Airplanes, HIgh Bldg. Surveillance, License Plates
There are lots of ways to follow the perp without chasing him/her at 110 mph. Someone is chased for auto theft, or even armed robbery and an accident kills an innocent bystander or other motorist. Better the perp gets away for a day then for someone else to be killed.
The Professor
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:44 PM
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3. Follow them by Helicopter till they stop/run out of gas...
then send patrol cars to that area.
Here in Socal the news stations love to cover those idiots thinking that they can get away. They catch them 100% of the time.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:12 PM
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7. I would say it depends on the crime
If they're in pursuit of a murderer, child molestor, rapist, or some other violent felon who shouldn't be on the streets, that's one thing.

If it's just a guy with some minor record (i.e.drug charges or whatever) who decided he would rather run from a speeding ticket, then it's not worth it.

And in either case, the cops should keep it out of residential neighborhoods if at all possible.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:13 PM
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8. A high speed chase going after somebody who was speeding is ignorant
A high speed chase going after somebody who just axe murdered fifteen people is appropriate.

There are varying degrees between.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:16 PM
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9. High speed chases are definitely dangerous to civilians, but
if people know that the police will not chase them it certainly gives them an incentive to speed away. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Jara sang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 01:45 PM
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14. That is sport in Southern California
The "news" interrupts T.V. shows all the time for them, they are ratings boosters.
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GOPisBAD Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 03:00 PM
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19. wrong place
Edited on Thu May-12-05 03:01 PM by GOPisBAD
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GOPisBAD Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 03:02 PM
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20. If the cops aren't allowed to chase...
...for minor crimes, wouldn't this send a clear message to people with minor crimes that all they have to do to get away is hit the gas?
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GOPisBAD Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:31 PM
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22. surely, that wasn't the end all be all comment
to end all conversation.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:39 PM
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23. No, but they should all be videotaped !
And broadcast, so an entire metropolitan area can come to a standstill and watch television while the cops run to ground some fucked up kid or career criminal on live television.

It's good therapy for us! It brings a city together and for one brief shining moment we all get to feel united in the belief that there is someone who is a million times more fucked up than ourselves, someone who is utterly doomed, someone about to die right before our eyes whose evil fate can make us all feel better about our own, if only temporarily.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 06:13 AM
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24. I must say I am very shocked by the results
Edited on Fri May-13-05 06:13 AM by Truth Hurts A Lot
I heard that at least 1 innocent bystander is killed per week in California due to high speed chases. Is this an acceptable statistic? Do we really want our streets to be filled with wannabe Dukes of Hazzards? Reality Check: Most people would NOT run from the police if high speed chases were done away with.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 07:09 AM
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25. I'm not surprised at all....unfortunately.
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Solar Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 07:10 AM
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26. Under certain circumstances - yes
Those accused of a violent felony need to be arrested as soon as possible. Many departments now 'shadow chase' suspects. They stay on them with a helicopter from a distance with police cars chasing while staying out of sight (IE traveling on a parallel road). Most times suspects are unaware of helicopters. If they don't see police cars behind them, they'll think they got away and slow down to a regular speed. It is important to still have ground units in a chase in case the suspect stops and tries to escape on foot.

Oh and if you think polic officers should not carry guns, I suggest you go on a ride-along with an officer, or better yet, become an officer yourself and see how long you survive in a ghetto.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-13-05 07:15 AM
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27. If George Bush was found guilty of war crimes but he escaped with
Al Cowlings in his white Ford Bronco, I'd say chase his ass down at any speed!
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