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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 11:59 AM
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What if Kerry took a page out of Nixon's 1972 playbook?
"I have a plan to end the war."
I think it is pretty obvious that the troops will not be on their way home during bush's reign. And I think we all know that support for the quagmire is not going to increase. By the time the 2008 election campaigns start to heat up, even the "silent majority" (sheep) will have lost the will to slavishly follow their leader.
I think the time will be right for Kerry (or any other legitimate Dem candidate) to use 'ol tricky dick's Vietnam war election strategy. I also think that we should be sure claim such an initative before the repukes grab it for themselves.
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erichzann Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:00 PM
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1. I don't think Kerry should run again.
I certainly won't support him.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:05 PM
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4. (or any other legitimate DEM candidate)
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:08 PM
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6. That's how I read it as well. nt
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erichzann Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:16 PM
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9. Well as long as they don't do what nixon did---
--and lie about it.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:02 PM
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2. * took this play for ss, with modification
He wants to "save" social security, without sending legislation to the hill. Then he calls the Dems obstructionist for not having a plan of their own.

sheesh
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:20 PM
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11. Even though they do
Pelosi has talked about it at the democratic press briefing. She basically talks about what they did with Reagan. This basically is a plan. Or they can say raise the cap. But I think the democrats are being smart with not falling into their trap and they know it's a trap. I think that's what Kerry should do as well if he does run again and is the nominee.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:02 PM
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18. SS?...... WTF?
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:05 PM
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3. Won't Work Now
He would be pressed for specifics, just like he was last time.
And he fell apart on it because everyone nit-picked the plan
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:06 PM
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5. "Now" is not the time to act.......... n-t
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:13 PM
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7. He got mocked last time for saying "I have a plan" w/out specifics 2 much
This would get him some more flame attacks.

I'm just sayin'.
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:31 PM
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12. Kerry offered specifics the MSM wouldn't report on solutions n/t
Edited on Thu May-12-05 12:38 PM by second edition
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 03:33 PM
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15. Doesn't matter, the meme is planted
He'd have to find some other way to say it than "I have a plan".

That's all I'm sayin'...
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:14 PM
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8. Might have worked, but most Americans give two shits about this war.
Proof is all around. Most of my fellow Americans only pay lip service to our fighting men and women, as evidenced by the Fighting 101st Keyboarders.

The war only serves the needs of the elite as a money scheme. To be honest, the war is going just peachy for Bush and his financial supporters. This is exactly what they wanted, to get bogged down in a never-ending conflict and now the Military Industrial Complex has billions in profits for at least 5 years to come.

I'm certain that more Americans worry about gay marriage than they do about the situation of our soldiers in Iraq.

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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:18 PM
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10. Old, very old, and not quite accurate
Nixon wasn't even trying to imitate Eisenhower's suggestive "I will go to
Korea". It was the result of misquoting that Nixon let ride. No one offers pecifics or even clear promises. Kerry did have a plan, reasonably presented, maybe fudging some things. But your are rtight, what he was never given the benefit of was the slogan.

"Help is on the way" was a pretty vacuous balloon that never left the Convention floor. On the other hand they seem disastrously tempted to keep saying we will stay there until the job is done without any of the vote getting bluster of terrible neocon warcries. A big loser BOTH ways and a certain guarantee of never busting the election wide open enough to escape the fraud.

Kerry or Dean or whover, they should put(or knock) heads together on this issue which is drifting like a barge between Scylla and Charybdis. or trust to luck that some inadvertent quote will give them a boost, despite the media's current unreceptivity. Well, more than luck then.

Right now the media is even suppressing the war as a war.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:04 PM
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16. You make good points Patrick but.....
Edited on Thu May-12-05 04:05 PM by Ernesto
In both instances (Korea & Vietnam) the wars had gone on for quite a while. In Kerry's case, Iraq was far to new for the sheeple to have reached the critical mass of war fatigue. Plus, Ike was extremely popular (unlike tricky dick) & a huge war hero. Also, both Ike & dick had no incumbent to deal with.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 05:33 PM
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19. Right about the differences
but differences can be the point if ANOTHER ctaastrophe makes Iraq a shrinking sideshow or the ruse of retreat to 18 crusader castle bases is completed somehow.
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:36 PM
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13. I want to see him run again in 2008.
He was robbed this past election. He had plans for Iraq. I bet he still does. I would trust his judgment over anyone else who may attempt to run. We need a Representative who knows what is going on inside Washington now, not a novice outsider. There is going to be a lot of cleaning up to do once Bush & co. gets done screwing things up.
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 12:59 PM
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14. "No, the idiot (Kerry) said he would've done just what Bush did."
Edited on Thu May-12-05 01:02 PM by LaPera
www.bartcop.com

Invade a defenseless sovereign nation that never attacked us, for its oil. To install military bases in that country to control the flow of oil. While the poor in this country die and kill Iraqi's in their own land for oil.

Imperialism!
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 04:14 PM
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17. The problem with that argument is.....
Edited on Thu May-12-05 05:00 PM by Ernesto
9-11 was a recent historical event (even if DUers know it had no connection to Saddam) and most sheeple were still in their "rally support for the commander n chief phase". Kerry had no choice but to play the "defend America card" as the repukes attempted to "McGovernize him"
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