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[Andy_Stephenson]

self delete

[Changenow]

1. Can you link to yesterday's drama?

I missed it, it sounds horrible.

[JanMichael]

2. Jesus this sucks. People can be such shit, pure unadulterated shit.

I'm about two ticks from going ballistic on people...

Good luck.

[bettyellen]

3. oh jesus, this asshole has gone too far.......

i'm sorry andy. what do you mean, hot check? is it going to :bounce: ?

[havocmom]

8. Tell the asshole 'Agent Mike' is lookin for her

;)

[enigmatic]

4. Andy, listen to me:

You're going to get this operation and ALL of us here are going to be sending all the good vibes we possibly can, and you're going to be fine.

Don't let them get to you no matter how hard they try to screw w/ you; we need you here.

Please, don't give up.

[MazeRat7]

5. Andy, I can cover this.. email me and lets figure out a plan.

on edit: For everyone else... No I dont know Andy, but I have been watching for many days now as this scenario has unfolded. I am serious with the offer for covering most of Andy's cost- not as a gift but as an interest free loan until all this PayPal crap is resolved.. Why, because I can. Its all the 'liquid" money I have, but I dont need it right now. So, what not ? I can at least offer.......

MZr7

[doodadem]

6. Don't you dare give up!

We need you here, Andy!
I'm not sure just how this works, but is there any way you could call PayPal directly, and explain what's going on?
Good vibes to you.......

[stellanoir]

7. don't ever surrender to a troll

You haven't come this far to just wither away. This will be straightened out over time. You have a wellspring of support.

Patience is sometimes the hardest thing of all.

You have droves more work to do and far too many believing in you to give up. We've got your back. Just let us know what need.

Think of your new puppy and your healing process

[yvr girl]

9. I am not a violent person

But I would like to run over that person SEVERAL times. Disagree with your politics and issues, fine. But that doesn't mean you need to lose human decency. I hope there is an especially hot room in hell reserved for him.

My fingers are crossed for you. :hug:

[lala_rawraw]

15. I am calling the feds myself, enough is enough

It is one thing to create static or smears it is a whole other mess to stop critical health resources.

[Must_B_Free]

10. Be persistent

paypal can't hold our money forever...

[lala_rawraw]

11. Skinner... can you please call the press

office for JH? I have called, so they are able to give you the info you need. In the meantime Andy, I told you... call feds about the PayPal situation and false accusations made... then get your attorney to go after (the person in the emails) for defamation and slander.

oh, and you can sue the bastard for damages.

[likesmountains 52]

12. Can someone please repost the snail mail address?

I will send a regular check and avoid the paypal snafu..

[merh]

46. Check my signature line.

:hi:

[MissB]

13. Damn.

:mad: *Something* has to go right for you.

[GOPisEvil]

14. Don't you DARE give up!

I'm hoping that Johns Hopkins is decent about this (yeah, right).

Anyway, track down who this fucker is and turn IT in to the feds. There's being disruptive, and there's messing with someone's life!

I don't wish bad things on people as a general rule, but this sub-human piece of garbage deserves a long, painful, expensive LONELY death.

[WLKjr]

16. people are cruel

Don't give up.

Never give up, never surrender!

[notadmblnd]

17. Can't what this person is doing be construed as

attempted murder? Seems the FBI or police could look into this little prick.

[joanski01]

18. I contributed via Amazon. I hope

you are not having any problems with them. I am so very sorry, Andy. I just don't understand how someone can be so evil.

[pk_du]

19. Andy - this is waaay over the line....post his/her email info

on here and lets find out who they are.

[lala_rawraw]

24. Everyone

Can Contact PayPal and demand they wire the money to JH. How hard is that to do for them? I am going to call them and I am going to write an article about this. Let's see how that works. In the meantime, spread word that they are holding life-saving funds hostage because of a political act...they can investigate while wiring the money... no?

Who can handle organizing the PayPal mailings? I am trying to nail down all the pieces for the story and filing charges with feds.

[WilliamPitt]

28. Something is wrong here.

[housewolf]

20. Wait a sec - I thought JH found the check yesterday

I thought a certified check had been sent to them and was found in the Mail Room yesterday.

I don't understand why you needed to write them a "hot" check.

What's going on?

[kaygore]

21. It's our money

Can't we call PayPal/eBay and tell them to release at least the money that each of personally sent through PayPal? It's not as if they aren't going to make a ton of money off the transactions. If they don't release it promptly, I suspect that Amazon will soon by pass PayPal because we won't use PayPal for our online transactions! I ended up giving more through Amazon because it was easier but there was a cap.

[BattyDem]

25. I don't understand how PayPal ...

can freeze all the transactions based on the word of one individual. I mean, if the people who donated aren't complaining, then why should the money be frozen? :shrug:

[WilliamPitt]

22. Check your PM

.

[impeachthescoundrel]

23. Don't feed the trolls.

Love you Andy and all the work you do.

[kliljedahl]

26. What did I miss?

Andy's message was deleted



Keith’s Barbeque Central

[salin]

27. I missed it as well.. but suspect that my suspicions about the troll's

intent were spot on. That it wasn't about division here... or even trying to get other folks to pull their donations. THat it was about getting paypal to feeze the funds so that Andy couldn't have the operation. Absolutely turns my stomach. I didn't read the post - and don't know that this is what is happening - but it is a good guess.

[WilliamPitt]

29. I thought they had been paid

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3636475&mesg_id=3636475

Twice or three times by now.

[lala_rawraw]

30. No, there are different things...long story, but I got the

breakdown of it all... there was 30k+ in cashiers checks, plus 9 k at amazon and the rest is frozen... he is paying as needed... remember some of that money is going toward him traveling there and staying there as well.

[salin]

31. is it frozen because of the troll's "challenge" on a $10 donation?

when I read that last night.. it occurred to me that was the point from the beginning. To get enough controversy on the net going in multiple places... make a small donation - than throw a challenge/wrench to Paypal to try to get them to freeze everything left in the account.

Is my speculation anywhere near the mark of what happened?

[WilliamPitt]

32. What happened to the checks that were lost in the mail room?

[Name removed]

35. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Beaverhausen]

38. not a good idea to post that

lots of trolls are watching this with much interest.

[Mr.Green93]

33. there was 30k+ in cashiers checks,

Where are they?

[Andy_Stephenson]

42. They have been deposited to JH's

account. Did that today

[WilliamPitt]

50. So what is the problem?

Why the new check?

Answers, bro.

[wakeme2008]

34. just checked Paypal on my donation of the 8th

they are showing expected clearing into Andy's account on the 12th.. so tomorrow my donation will clear. It does not show any holds... So it does not look like any "global" holds....

[Horse with no Name]

36. MAJOR TINFOIL HAT ALERT

Is it at all possible that "OTHER" people (than the usual suspects) are working behind the scenes to make sure Andy doesn't get his surgery because of the work that he does?
Is it possible that someone is keeping him out of JH?
Baltimore is pretty close to DC.
Folks I think we need to think about this as a possibility.
Too many things have gone wrong. ONE person who donated $10 CANNOT cause this much trouble.

[BattyDem]

37. Honestly ... that thought crossed my mind, too

but I didn't want to say it. :tinfoilhat:

[Andy_Stephenson]

40. the person that donated 10 dollars

is not the problem. Fact is I sent all the people that asked for money back a link to my thread last night and everyone of them withdrew their request for a refund. These new requests came in tonight.

[Horse with no Name]

44. Andy

This isn't how hospitals work. It just isn't.
A place like JH has "major" right wing benefactors. The work you do is important and powerful enough to bring down the country.
I'm truly fearful of this. ONE person can't make this big of a difference.
They just can't.

[goodboy]

41. It's not tinfoil, it's the truth. (nt)

[Malva Zebrina]

39. Please verify

I thought that some nameless benefactor volunteered to float the total amount in the form of a "loan" until Pay Pal was cleared.

This information was posted on one of the Andy threads. Is this true or not true?

What is the "deleted" from the OP?

[lala_rawraw]

45. Andy is self deleting... he is upset

I don't know the rumors of who did what to whom. I only know the facts that I have been able to verify and thus far, it checks out. Now I know I am Andy's friend... but I make my living on my credibility and I am really pissed off that Skinner is yet to say that:

1). Andy at JH verified
2). Troll identified
3). Press office available to give him statement

What is bothering me is this "wait and see" approach by Skinner. If there were questions that I could not verify, I would agree. But I spent all of yesterday and a better part of today investigating this. I think, unless the people at JH are in on this scam, I am at least comfortable stating the above 3 points are true. Now, you believe me when it comes to my report on the Clermont voting issues... but something as simple as calling the press office of a hospital is what? beyond my idiotic grasp?

Skinner, you need to just issue a statement of the things verified. Leaving discussions like this up in the air is just creating more conjecture and more arguments.

[Malva Zebrina]

48. I understand your concerns

but why is everyone replying to a deleted message when some do not know what it says?

On edit

Is it true or not true, as was posted here on one of the threads, that someone offered to float as a loan that total payment thereby insuring that the surgery would be covered until the pay pal was verified?

[Goldmund]

49. Last night you posted a thread saying that you'd be filing charges...

...this morning.

Did you?

You also identified the email address and the website of the troll in question.

You never said how you got this info. Can you reveal that? If not, I understand. :)

[Samurai_Writer]

43. I am quite confused...

I thought a benefactor had given you a check for the remaining $10,800 that you had in hand yesterday, to pay the amount frozen by PayPal. A little more detail would be helpful. Thanks!

[Jesus Saves]

47. ?

?

[seabeyond]

51. this isnt a tough one, this all was so quick

people promising to pay snail mail, people saying gonna pay, all we had were peoples word. there is always a percentage that doesnt pay in any charity, and charities understand. there are going to be people that dont get it out in snail mail. all this couldnt have cleared to be in andi's hand when it was just promised monday

with the rush of this to set up one system, probably thru credit card would have been the best, and not necessarily stop at 50k if that was exactly the amount needed cause of the percentage that wouldnt show up

i read on another site, one person promised to send out money, and has decided not

all different people all different payments, really, did everyone expect this to be easy, cause i was not seeing easy on this stuff.

anyway

another deep breath..........a little ooooohhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, does wonders and solve this problem

[Moderator]

52. The original poster has deleted

the post and it is not wise to keep this thread open.
I'm sure we will get more information at a later time

Thank you for understanding