Hang on a second. First a pinecone, then a tiny two-seater plane.

[Bouncy Ball]

A plane which uh, didn't do anything to anyone, by the way.

What the hell is going on here? Does widdle bushie McCokespoon need some sympathy or something?

And how sad is that? A leader is supposed to be strong, not so scared of his own shadow he can't even be around people who aren't pre-screened and pre-loyalty oathed, little old ladies patted down six ways to Sunday. Don't get me wrong, I love Chihuahuas, but he reminds me of one a friend of mine owned a few years back, named Groucho. Groucho just shook constantly and randomly peed on people, he was so scared. But Groucho didn't have his finger on any nuke-you-lar buttons.

Geez. This is so embarrassing. A child truly inhabits the White House. And he was on his bikey having a little ride in the woods when the scary tiny plane entered restricted airspace and landed somewhere safe! Whooo, close call!

Well, I'm here to tell the world, whoever is reading this, it isn't working on me. It's gonna take a hell of a lot bigger threat for me to think "wow he really was in danger just then."

Hell, that PRETZEL a while back posed more threat to him than some non-existent pinecone or tiny plane which he wasn't even anywhere near.

Try harder, Rove. Try harder. It's not working on those of us with more than three brain cells to rub together.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Yet on 9-11

everyone thought it was okay for Georgie to sit around with a school full of kids and make a speech?

[Bouncy Ball]

2. Exactly. NOTHING MAKES SENSE.

I mean, hell, there's evidence the hijackers KNEW bush was going to be at a school in Florida. So he just sits there, getting his fucking picture taken, reading a book, shaking hands, endangering every kid and teacher in that building instead of just politely excusing himself and leaving.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. Especially since they supposedly

were so concerned about a threat to Bush that they installed anti-aircraft guns around the resort he was staying at, and supposedly some Middle Eastern men had shown up looking for Bush there.

They should have hauled his ass out of there as soon as they heard about the first tower getting hit. Instead they drove around for a 1/2 hour and went into the school knowing an attack was underway. They only reason for Bush to have gone into the school at that point was because they had to stall and wait for the attack to finish. For the next 40 minutes the traitor stalled. So did the rest of the traitors in our high command. They all stalled.

[AntiCoup2K4]

11. And let's not forget that the previous evening, Junior slept in a hotel...

...with surface to air missile batteries on the roof. This being in Florida, just three days after his brother rushed a bill through the Legislature authorizing the Florida National Guard to be used under martial law in the case of emergency.

So if Junior believed that Florida was at risk from a terraist attack - and it's apparent that he did - then he used those children as "human shields". Which is exactly what Saddam Hussein would have done. :grr:

[fryguy]

3. well he does surround himself with people that are smarter than him

its his "leadership" style

[Upfront]

4. Hmmm

How could he not?

[Bouncy Ball]

9. Good point.

[fryguy]

20. my point precisely

shrub in a room with kindergartners - he's still bringing up the rear in terms of intellect.

[Misunderestimator]

87. And notice how quickly they scrambled planes and helicopters

this time... No one will ever convince me that we were incapable of doing the same thing before the first plane hit on 9/11/01... and CERTAINLY before the SECOND one did.

[Kingofalldems]

5. Since his polls went in the tank

Rove must have put out a double-secret red alert. Next alert will be a hummingbird returning north for the summer.

[SouthernDem2004]

6. So, they should have just ignored the plane?

Sure, it turn out to be nothing this time but how were they to know. They did their job.

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. They've ignore a lot bigger planes than that. nt

[SouthernDem2004]

62. Name one please.

[RaleighNCDUer]

76. Well, there were these 4 planes on 9/11/01. You may have

heard about that.

[SouthernDem2004]

7. So, they should have just ignored the plane?

Sure, it turn out to be nothing this time but how were they to know. They did their job.

[Bouncy Ball]

8. Why all the brouhaha over it?

I'm not questioning the procedures, I'm questioning all the attention given to it.

It's like any little tiny thing ALMOST happens and the media goes apoplectic. They can't just be normal and go "oh ok everything's fine, well on to our next story..." or something like that.

If I were boosh I'd be a bit embarrassed, really. "Hey it's fine, I'm ok, Dick's ok, no biggie, let's move on."

It's like your mom freaking out that you ALMOST got hurt and you didn't.

[Kingofalldems]

12. I bet the WH prodded the media

to be all over it. This date, 5-11-2005 is proof that the WH plays them like a yo-yo.

[Bouncy Ball]

15. I didn't even think about that!

Hey, I wonder what they'll cook up for this September 11th. Four years.

[SouthernDem2004]

19. The media had to evacuate so they get excited. Bush was not even home.

[Bouncy Ball]

21. Even sadder.

Out riding his bike in the woods somewhere, taking another break from all that hard work he doesn't do.

I've never seen such a slacker president.

[SouthernDem2004]

24. Actually, he goofs off about as much as the others did. President

Clinton's thing was golf I believe. Its not like the President really has to do that much himself.

[Bouncy Ball]

25. Well that's just bullshit.

About as much as the others did, eh? Clinton's thing was workaholism, and everyone knew it.

From http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20031001.html

According to an August 2003 article in the Washington Post, President Bush has spent all or part of 166 days during his presidency at his Crawford, Texas, ranch or en route. Add the time spent at or en route to the presidential retreat of Camp David and at the Bush family estate in Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."

Bush isn't the first president to get away from his work. George Bush Sr. took all or part of 543 vacation days at Camp David and in Kennebunkport. Ronald Reagan spent 335 days at or en route to his Santa Barbara, California, ranch during his eight years in office. Of recent presidents, Jimmy Carter took the least days off -- only 79 days, which he usually spent at his home in Georgia. That's less than three weeks a year, which is closer to the average American's paid time off of 13 days per year.

What about Clinton? As of December 1999, President Bill Clinton had spent only 152 days on holiday during his two terms, according to CBS News. A former staffer noted Clinton was such a workaholic that "it almost killed Clinton to take one-week vacations during August." In 2000, Clinton cut his summer vacation short to just three days, so he and his wife could concentrate on her Senate race and fundraising for Democrats. While we couldn't find the exact tally for Clinton's last year in office, it's reasonable to expect he didn't increase his vacation rate. And in barely three years in office, George W. Bush has already taken more vacation than Clinton did in seven years.

[Bouncy Ball]

30. You also might want to check out this article:

http://www.counterbias.com/017.html

President Jimmy Carter (D) Georgia:

79 Days (over 1 term - 4 years)



President Ronald Reagan (R) California:

335 days (over 2 terms - 8 years)



President George H. W. Bush (R) Texas:

543 days (over 1 term - 4 years)



President William J. Clinton (D) Arkansas:

152 days (over 2 terms - 8 years)



President George W. Bush (R) Texas:

250 days (as of Aug. '03, less than one term!)



Okay, so Dubya hasn't vacationed half as much as his father who served only one term as president, but thus far has outpaced Ronald Reagan. The striking contrast comes when comparing Bush II to the two Democratic Presidents on the list. Combined, the total vacation days taken by Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton (231 days over twelve years) fall short of the current President Bush who has yet to finish a full four-year term, and he's already vacationed a whopping 250 days and counting. Indeed, comparing the twelve years under Carter and Clinton (the Democrats) to the twelve years under Reagan and Bush I (the Republicans) is a rather telling statistic: The Democrats (those lazy liberals) seem to work a lot more for the country than the Republicans do. Single-handedly, the Republicans have taken more vacation days each than the combined total of Presidents Carter and Clinton.

[comsymp]

26. Link, please?

Bush's "thing" is golf, too. And clearing brush at the pigfarm. And summering with Poppy and Babs at Kennebunkport. And, of course, nearly every weekend at Camp David. Of course, there's also the annual Month In Crawford.

And... and... and...


Seriously, I'd appreciate anything you can provide to substantiate your claim that he and former presidents spend anything close to a comparable amount of time out of the office.

Anything.


ON EDIT: Good stuff, Bouncy.

[Bouncy Ball]

34. I've provided a couple of links which refute what SouthernDem is

saying.

I actually laughed out loud when I read the post that says that he spends just as much time on vacation as other presidents have. Clinton was a BAD one to pick to compare him to, too. If Carter had served two terms and taken vacation at the same rate he did in his first term, he'd still have ended up with six more vacation days than Clinton did.

[comsymp]

37. We just keep crossing paths~

I had just gone back and edited my post to acknowledge yours, refreshed, and here was your other one.

Hmmm, what was it Raygun said... "Facts are stupid things." ;-)

[Bouncy Ball]

40. Also, USAToday pointed out that

boosh's vacations are also longer in consecutive days than any other president, except Nixon, whom he tied. Note the date of this story:

08/03/2001 - Updated 12:02 PM ET

White House to move to Texas for a while

By Laurence McQuillan, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Six months after taking office, President Bush will begin a month-long vacation Saturday that is significantly longer than the average American's annual getaway. If Bush returns as scheduled on Labor Day, he'll tie the modern record for presidential absence from the White House, held by Richard Nixon at 30 days. Ronald Reagan took trips as long as 28 days.


(And btw, the Constitution says you cannot MOVE the White House. Ahem.)

[SouthernDem2004]

50. I said goofs off, not vacations...

Today Bush was not on vacation he was just goofing off. Who cares where the President actually is anyway... His work goes with him. Its not like he works on an assembly line.

As for the other post, I do not respond to profanity. If you can not reply civilly, then just do not reply at all. There is no need to be disrespectful of people you may disagree with.

[SmokingJacket]

52. I want my president on the phone, at a desk, in a meeting...

NOT riding his frigging bike.

NOT cutting brush.

He is not working while cutting brush.

Honestly... defending this president's work habits is a lost cause.

He may be a lot of things... but he is not an Hard Working Guy.

[comsymp]

55. Then pls provide a link for your assertion re: "goofing off"

Because I've seen nothing which supports your claim.

And the problem with this president (well, one problem, anyway) seems to be that "his work" never GETS TO him. (eg- Bin Laden determined to strike..., etc.)

I assume you were directing the second paragraph to someone else?

[SouthernDem2004]

84. Hmmm...

The second paragraph was directed at someone else.

If you think no President goofs off then there is no point in replying.

[comsymp]

86. You didn't state that every president goofs off

You stated that Bush's level of goofing off was "about as much as" other presidents. As they say in all those courtroom dramas I love, "assumes facts not in evidence."

[Bouncy Ball]

67. I said what you said

was bullshit. I never called you anything. In life there is both the sacred and the profane.

As far as your post goes, oh so now we're going to split hairs over goofing off, eh?

Well I'd have to say he can't be doing much work riding a bike in a nature preserve. Or pretending to cut back brush on a non-ranch ranch.

[tabasco]

38. Your theory of leadership is interesting.

Figurehead Presidents like Bush and Reagan don't do a goddam thing.

Presidents who actually understand their leadership responsibilities work their asses off.

Are you saying Bush works as hard as Clinton did? That's laughable.

:rofl:

[SouthernDem2004]

54. I said no such thing nor implied it. Try rereading my posts.

[Ripley]

58. Yes you did.

You said Presidents are just figureheads and they all goof off.

Why do you always take the non-liberal side at DU?

[SouthernDem2004]

64. You continue to make false statements.

I never said Presidents are just figureheads. Never, not once.

Everyone goofs off.

I am not a Liberal. I am a Moderate Democrat. I have never claimed to be a Liberal. Yes, I am a dying bread around here and my days are numbered.

[Ripley]

66. What is a dying bread?

Are you admitting you are not a liberal? This board is for liberals. What is the purpose of your posts? You always take the contrary position. Do you think you are going to change us liberals into moderates?

Why do you defend Bush? Did you vote for him?

[SouthernDem2004]

69. Sorry, I work midnights and need some sleep.

Hmmm, I thought this was the Democratic Underground. I do not always take contrary positions but I am not a "me too" poster. If someone posts something I agree with I do not feel the need to say I agree with it. (Although I have on a few occasions.) I do not expect to change anyones views, I merely state mine.

I do not defend Bush and I never voted for him.

[SouthernDem2004]

70. Why do you keep accusing me of stating things I clearly and obviously did

not state?

[Ripley]

72. You implied Clinton goofed off playing golf in your attempt to

compare Boosh with Clinton. What moderate Democrat would say that Dumbass works as hard as Clinton did? How can you compare dumbshit riding his bicycle in the middle of a work day for an hour and a half to Clinton who barely took a vacation?

[SouthernDem2004]

73. And still you continue...

You continue to say I stated things I clearly did not. Reread my posts, you seem to be confused. I will no longer respond to your posts on this thread since you clearly have issues with facts.

I wish you the best.

[Ripley]

75. Why do you defend the Chimp?

That is not a Progressive viewpoint. Nor would I allow that any Democrat would defend his excessive "goofing off."

[SouthernDem2004]

74. Dupe post

[RaleighNCDUer]

77. I tend to disagree with the vast majority of what SouthernDem

says, but this is a democratic forum, not a liberal forum, and he has a right to express himself here. Even Zell could post here, at least once or twice if he doesn't go too flakey.

You might say, I agree with your position, but not on your position on it, while I disagree with SDem's position, but agree with his position on his position.

It will be the mod dems who teach us how to talk so the other side can hear us - shouting in a left wing echo chamber does us no good whatsoever.

[Bouncy Ball]

79. I'm not a moderate Dem and I know perfectly well how to talk

so the other side can hear. Might have something to do with the fact that I live in Texas.

You don't have to have moderate Dems teach us how to speak, plenty of us know how. THIS is our chamber, though, and I do find it interesting that in all the time SouthernDem has been here, he has consistently defended bush every single time.

[comsymp]

82. Perhaps, but when one makes dubious assertions, s/he needs to

be prepared to back 'em up.

In this case, that hasn't happened.

[SouthernDem2004]

83. What assertion is dubious?

I like that word, "dubious." Nice sound to it...

Anyway, My point was that every President goofs off from time to time. Do I need to google and post links to other Presidents jogging, vacationing, golfing etc? What would be the point? Everyone goofs off from time to time. Who cares?

What you have here is two negative posters who attack people that post something they may not agree with. Heck, I ignore them so who cares. One made flase statement after false statement... Why bother...

[comsymp]

85. Dubious assertion = "Actually, he goofs off about as much...

as the others did."


About as much as the others did. That's what I have a problem with. Glad you liked the term, as it was the gentlest expression I could think of. I toyed with "patently false" but the onus would have then been on me to disprove your original assertion.

Had you said something similar to your last post ( every President goofs off from time to time ), nobody could argue with your point, except to show that Bush's "time to time" appears to greatly exceed most presidents'. But you presented your statement as fact, contrary to any available evidence. That's why I've asked you a couple times (unsuccessfully, so far) to provide something to back up your claim.

[SouthernDem2004]

89. I guess I should not have used such a broad reaching statement.

I can certainly concede that phrasing it "about as much as the others did" was a poor choice or wording. I should have left off the "as much" since people are rather literal here at times. Clearly a mistake on my part which I am more then willing to admit.

Patently false would have worked for me but I do like dubious better. It was a struggle for me also not to call the other posters liars when they continual stated I said things I did not.

Eithey way I should have justed stated that Bush goofs off just like other Presidents have goofed off.

Peace

[Bouncy Ball]

68. Dying bread?

And why do you say your days are numbered? Because you are always taking up for Chimpy McCokespoon? Yeah, that might just do it.

Moderate Dems don't take up for this pathetic excuse of a president.

[Ripley]

71. And Moderate Dems certainly don't make excuses for him

at every turn in the road. :eyes:

[SoCalDem]

22. Don't you remember all the "BREAKING" bulletins when the Y2K

bombing that was planned for LAX was thwarted? Non-stop 24-7 coverage? All channels covering it live?? nterviewing everyone they could find??

Oh wait!.. That didn't happen, did it? The authorities in charge, just did their job, caught the guy, prosecuted/interrogated him, and life went on.. The information they gleaned WAS passed on to the incoming *² administration, but of course they paid it no attention.. and then we got 9-11 as a "dividend"..

Day and night..

[Bouncy Ball]

23. Yep.

Exactly what I mean.

[pgh_dem]

33. sure takes the wind out of any attempts

to pretend they've been swatting down terra attacks left and right all the while, when they're dislocating their shoulders patting themselves on the back for their response to this.

[Rockholm]

57. Maybe some freeper was flying the plane?

research time, folks. This is all a WH set-up to distract. Way too obvious.

[XemaSab]

13. I got a spitwad

with that dude's name on it.

Actually, the Secret Service might consider that a serious threat, given that the Chimpster has so far been endangered by a pretzel, a segway, and uh, himself on numerous occasions.

You never know, a spitwad might go right through the hole in his septum and hit the brain cell responsible for being a willing catamite to Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Jeff Gannon, et al.

[Bouncy Ball]

14. BWA!

Very true, a spitwad can be fatal when your head is as soft as chimpy's is.

[AgadorSparticus]

48. I bet if you aim carefully enough, you could get it to go in one ear

and right out the other.

[uppityperson]

78. Don't threaten dumbfuck with a spitwad or SS may visit you. oooo

Beware threatening Mr.bush even with a spitwad as threats are taken seriously. Right Agent Mike? Or did you mean the spitwad was for the pilot?

[XemaSab]

80. The, uh, spitwad, was, uh

for the pilot! Yeah!

Hell, a spitwad would be a helluva lot more resistance than Al-Qaeda saw on 9-11.

:cry:

[Up2Late]

16. The thing that cracks me up is, he wasn't even there, but DICK, he...

...was not just taken to the WH Bunker, but was removed from the WH grounds! Yet, * "was kept informed" of what was going on back at the WH.

The report I heard, they just let him continue his bike ride in the W.V. woods.:wtf:

Oh, yeah, He's the one "in charge.":eyes:

[Bouncy Ball]

18. ....

"Where's Chimpy?"

"Uh, I think he's riding his bike somewhere."

"AGAIN?"

"Yeah...."

"Well, whatever. Just....leave him out there. LET'S GET DICKY OUTTA HERE, THOUGH!"

[underpants]

28. Maryland nature reserve

[lies and propaganda]

17. The footage of everyone scrambling

out of congress made me scream out laughing. It was a serious SOL.

They are really trying to find the rabbit so they can pull it out of that damned hat.

[catmandu57]

27. I've missed something a pinecone?

Was it a pinecone and not a grenade?

[fooj]

41. It was a grenade. The interesting part about that BS story...

no one even flinched when it was thrown up on stage. WTF? Wonder why that happenend? Hmmmmmm...
I thought the SS was supposed to throw their bodies on it to protect the jerk at all costs. To make it even more intriguing...Shrub hung out for a bit after his stupid "Freedom" BS...

Funny thing is that after yesterday, I told my hubby that it was just a prelude to whatever those maniacs have cooked up...told him no doubt we would find out MORE today...

Pretty sad when you can predict their moves. BTW- Isn't everyone pleased that those fighter jets were up and scrambled in a matter of moments today? Took them close to 90 minutes to get it together on 9-11! Hmmmmmm...


Peace.

[Bouncy Ball]

43. Yeah, that's another thing.

They could have done the same thing on 9/11 and didn't.

Wonder why?

[underpants]

29. Pinecone?

Did I miss something?

[Lerkfish]

32. slang for grenade, I believe.

[Touchdown]

46. That's pineapple, but a pinecone does look like it. n/t

[Lerkfish]

49. oops, I stand corrected. nt.

[Bouncy Ball]

35. I was being facetious.

But was there even a grenade? Last thing I heard there wasn't one at all.

[underpants]

42. Oh okay

I think it was a RPG round but I am not sure

[elehhhhna]

61. Pinecone. he he.

[Lerkfish]

31. CNN said Rumsfeld was WITH NORAD at the time of this...

I overheard this while typing in my cubicle. Rummy was meeting with some Norad honcho when this went down.


hmmmmm....


sound familiar?

[Bouncy Ball]

36. Yes, it does sound familiar.

Where have I heard that before?

Hmmmm?

[countryjake]

44. Wouldn't want the real news to get out!

Meanwhile, thousands of anti-USA demonstrators have been fired on in Afghanistan TODAY (four reported killed, so far, and 70 injured); six more bombings kill at least 54 Iraqis and wounded countless others, in various cities across Iraq TODAY. On Sunday, I heard reported that at least 300 Iraqis had died from attacks since Apr. 28; I'd guess that figure must be more around 600 or so, as of today. (And those figures do not count "suspected insurgents")

And, last but not least, another $82 billion was quietly approved last night, 100-0, for spending on our "most successful" push for democracies in Iraq and Afghanistan. We wouldn't actually want all those lovely, upstanding Senators to maybe have to answer WHY so much cash is being pumped into the hopeless bog they call the War on Terrorism, now would we?

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

45. then a cream pie, then an anvil

dropping from the sky. Followed by a wooden mallet, a lit firecracker-like stick that is clearly marked "TNT," an elaborate trap involving a rope noose and a bent sapling, a black hole kept in the assassin's coat pocket and thrown in his path, and a painting of a tunnel from which choo-choo trains come and run him down.

[Bouncy Ball]

47. ROFLMAO!!!

[B3Nut]

60. But you forgot...

...the falling piano! What's a cartoon disaster sequence without the falling piano?

TP

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

63. Right!

It was also pointed out by one of my live-action friends that the Acme products corporation deserved mention as well.

[VOX]

81. "Coyote Vs. Acme"

Written by humorist Ian Frazier. It's all over the Net, and it's a riot:
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/kingcharles/Humor/coyote.htm
In the United States District Count, Southwestern District, Tempe, Arizona Case No. B19345, Judge John Kujava, Presiding

Wile E. Coyote, Plaintiff
-vs-
Acme Company, Defendant
OPENING Statement of Mr. Harold Schoff, Attorney for Mr. Coyote:

My client, Mr. Wile E Coyote, a resident of Arizona and contiguous states, does hereby bring suit for damages against the Acme Company, manufacturer and retail distributor of assorted merchandize, incorporated in Delaware and doing business in every state, district and territory.

Mr. Coyote seeks compensation for personal injuries, loss of business income, and mental suffering caused as a direct result of the actions and/or gross negligence of said company, under Title 15 of the United States Code, Chapter 47, section 2072, subsection (a), relating to product liability.

Mr. Coyote states that on eighty-five separate occasions he has purchased of the Acme Company (hereinafter, "Defendant"), through that company's mail-order department, certain products which did cause him bodily injury due to defects in manufacture or improper cautionary labeling. Sales slips made out to Mr. Coyote as proof of purchase are at present in the possession of the Court, marked Exhibit A.

Such injuries sustained by Mr. Coyote have temporarily restricted his ability to make a living in his profession of predator. Mr. Coyote is self-employed and thus not eligible for workman's Compensation.

Mr. Coyote states that on December 13th he received of Defendant via parcel post one Acme Rocket Sled. The intention of Mr. Coyote was to use the Rocket Sled to aid him in pursuit of his prey. Upon receipt of the Rocket Sled Mr. Coyote removed it from its wooden shipping crate and, sighting his prey in the distance, activated the ignition. As Mr. Coyote gripped the handlebars, the Rocket Sled accelerated with such sudden and precipitate force as to stretch Mr. Coyote's forelimbs to a length of fifty feet.

<snip>

[brettdale]

51. They come in three's

There is a saying down here, that things come in three's. First the pine cone, then the small plane, what will the third false terror alert be?

[Chomp]

53. Aim of Terrorism: Create Terror.

Mission Accomplished.

[DemonFighterLives]

56. Like screaming "Fire" in a crowded theater

I wonder what this latest terror cost the people. All the frantic lawmakers running away from their work, interceptors doing their job and only a student pilot off course. Three miles away is a long way for all of the hoopla.

[peekaloo]

59. Don't forget the evil suitcases that were blowed up real good!

[elehhhhna]

...or that goofy dude who stood outside Yelling at the WH.

[elehhhhna]

88. ...or that goofy dude who stood outside Yelling at the WH.

[newportdadde]

65. Any info on the pilot? Have they ever been a WH reporter?