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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:05 AM
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America Really Dodged a Bullet Yesterday
Edited on Wed May-11-05 06:13 AM by mopaul
no snide remarks here, just the true terror of what happened yesterday congealing in my mind.

although the whole story is yet to be told, and yet to be verified, true or false, it's a terror inducing scenario, and very convenient for bushco.

bush is so loathed around the world, that he presents a danger to himself and the whole world by flitting around on junkets exposing himself to those who fear and hate him the most.

these trips are totally useless to we the people, they are hugely expensive, and they are all about fucking people over and making monstrous profits, not spreading good will or democracy.

if the grenade launched toward the stage yesterday had gone off, utter chaos would be today's headlines. too horrible to imagine.

it's a fine state of affairs when your own president isn't safe anywhere in the world because millions hate him and see him as a hitler wannabe. well georgey, you made your bed, now you, and we the people, have to lie in it.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:07 AM
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1. Staged event
there is no way that could happen without his babysitters seeing it.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:10 AM
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3. you may be right
and i wonder why they would stage a thing like that? cause it's cheap and easy and effective, like the osama tapes and al qaeda operatives being captured? a terror story that never really happened, with a psychological purpose.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:20 AM
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13. Are you kidding?! Rove probably threw it on the stage.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:44 AM
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18. and it would be hard to dis-prove
and if it is proven to be a lie, the righty press here would never air it.
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Trailrider1951 Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 08:08 AM
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20. You bet your ass it was a staged event!
Typical Rove operation. See:

<snip>

One thing that is also clear, is that Rove uses almost identical tactics in every close race he is in, including and especially the current one: he manipulates the media to get free exposure for fictitious claims (Swifties), goes negative early and often attacking his opponents on their perceived strengths - showing no reluctance to assault the service of veterans (Swifties, flip-flopper, "liberal", etc.), he will cast his opponents as homosexuals (effete, French looking, Fox News quotes, etc.) and he will use surrogates to do most of the dirty work (all of the above). This takes me to the final tactic employed by Rove: he feigns an outrageous attack on his own candidate in order to paint his opponent in a negative light and/or distract the electorate from a pertinent topic in the news.


A typical instance occurred in the hard-fought 1996 race for a seat on the Alabama Supreme Court between Rove's client, Harold See, then a University of Alabama law professor, and the Democratic incumbent, Kenneth Ingram. According to someone who worked for him, Rove, dissatisfied with the campaign's progress, had flyers printed up-absent any trace of who was behind them-viciously attacking See and his family. "We were trying to craft a message to reach some of the blue-collar, lower-middle-class people," the staffer says. "You'd roll it up, put a rubber band around it, and paperboy it at houses late at night. I was told, 'Do not hand it to anybody, do not tell anybody who you're with, and if you can, borrow a car that doesn't have your tags.' So I borrowed a buddy's car down the middle of the street - I had Hefty bags stuffed full of these rolled-up pamphlets, and I'd cruise the designated neighborhoods, throwing these things out with both hands and literally driving with my knees." The ploy left Rove's opponent at a loss. Ingram's staff realized that it would be fruitless to try to persuade the public that the See campaign was attacking its own candidate in order "to create a backlash against the Democrat," as Joe Perkins, who worked for Ingram, put it to me. Presumably the public would believe that Democrats were spreading terrible rumors about See and his family. "They just beat you down to your knees," Ingram said of being on the receiving end of Rove's attacks. See won the race.
So Karl Rove initiated a campaign to attack his own candidate in order to discredit his opponent. Shocking? Yes. A one time affair? Not exactly. Rove also partook in a similar bit of chicanery during the closely contested 1986 Texas governor's race, "in which his candidate and mentor, the Republican oilman Bill Clements, sought to oust the Democratic incumbent Mark White." During this infamous chapter of Rovian campaigning, Rove bugged his office (though he has never acknowledged the fact) and then announced, innocently enough, that his office was bugged on the same day as "an evening debate in which his candidate was expected to fare poorly." Rove made White's camp look unethical, as if they were guilty of bugging his offices, and then used the revelation of such a "crime" to obscure the events of that night - which would have hurt his own candidate's prospects. Needless to say, Rove's candidate won.

Having seen Rove's penchant for pattern and repetition, does this tactic look familiar? While I have no proof to this effect, and what I am about to say is pure speculation (albeit based on Rove's extensive record), I think there is a good chance that the forged memos that CBS quoted from in a piece on Bush's National Guard service originated from Karl Rove. Before you dismiss this as the wild ravings of a conspiracy theorist, consider a few points.

<snip>

More here:

http://tianews.blogspot.com/2004/10/dark-side-of-karl-rove.html




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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:09 AM
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2. The grenade wouldn't have killed him.
It was 100ft away from the stage, according to the report I read. It would have killed a fair few spectators, though, and unleashed chaos, but not on the unimaginable scale of a successful assassination attempt - something we can all be thankful for.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:10 AM
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4. Yes, as much as I hate him,
the impact of an assassination would be utterly catastrophic IMO. It wouldn't alter who was controlling things in this country, but it would likely usher in a state of full blown fascism, and he would be built up by the right into some sort of holy martyr.

It's too horrible a scenario for me to even think about.:scared:
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:15 AM
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8. I know. But that might be something the real powers-that-be are keeping
in their back pocket: one final, grand use for the puppet. We all at one time or another have entertained the scenario, then came to the inevitable conclusion that it wouldn't change anything and only could make it worse. But think of the new possibilities such a chess move would open up for the other side. These people with their grand designs for the world have, I suspect.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:42 AM
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16. Yes, I don't doubt that he's considered expendible
by the powers that be, and that they would gladly expend him if they saw a great political advantage to it. I'd bet that even his own parents would go along with it. Maybe I'm just getting too cynical, although that's difficult under current circumstances.

I guess all we can do is hope that it doesn't happen, because if someone on high decides that it will, I have no doubt that it will, with all the ensuing consequences.
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Paul Dlugokencky Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:16 AM
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9. Absolutely
With Cheney as President. They might make either Rummy or Condi VP... or even throw that office to DeLay.



http://www.cafepress.com/kickindemocrats
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:44 AM
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17. It would start a new sect of Christianity.
Many of these people appear to already worship Bush as Christ. If he were martyred, they'd put him in the Bible. AND there would be another bloody, violent Mel Gibson film.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:48 AM
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19. The Book of George.
Yeah, they'd probably rewrite the entire bible to accomodate the life and martyrdom of God's new Chosen One.

The fundies probably wouldn't notice the change anyway. I don't think most of them even know what's in the Bible except for certain select passages that they're fed by their leaders.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:12 AM
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5. McKinley was killed in Buffalo
Edited on Wed May-11-05 06:12 AM by bluestateguy
At the Pan-American Exposition in 1901.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mckinley
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:14 AM
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7. thanks for quickly correcting me
who was the pres. shot in serbia before ww1? old folks need help remembering shit.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:18 AM
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10. Are you thinking of Grand Archduke Ferdinand?
(Did I get that right?)
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:19 AM
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12. ah yes, thank you
du and it's denizons are a great font of info. thank god, or i'd totally re-write history, republican style
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:12 AM
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6. A grenade was lobbed at the idiot-in-chief?
Where? When? by whom? I KNOW "Why".....:7: He's IS the most detested man in the world. I'll reserve my commentary and just say "Hi, agent Mike!" :hi:
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:19 AM
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11. Someone down below is really looking out for Mr. Bush.
It's not that easy to kill the anti-Christ.:evilgrin:
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:24 AM
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14. One of my favorite Hot Tuna lyric lines:
"What's that smell like fish, oh baby?"

:evilgrin:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 06:36 AM
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15. I think it would have turned out more like the Reinhard Heydrich...
story, if the pResident had been harmed!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich


Some city in Georgia would be MIA like the city of Lidice, Czechoslovakia ended up in the 1940s.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-lidice.htm

America would be on RED ALERT, had Bush been harmed!

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