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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:53 PM
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Tin foil hatteers
Just wondering if the Evangelical church is trying to buy the Roman Catholic Church. I know this sounds crazy but with all the bankruptcies in the RCC doesn't this give the fundies the opportunity to gain control? Yes, one church! Interesting this abuse did not hit the media until Bush came into office. Those involved are adults who had years to speak out, they did not speak out until shrub came into office. I find this interesting. Those who were abused had years to speak out, why now? To me the Catholic church is beginning to sound like the RW extremists. This is scarry to me. It appears that the Catholic church is very vulnerable now. As I said before I've been a very staunch Catholic but for the first time I am beginning to question my own church.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:55 PM
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1. Nothing is too far-fetched when it comes to people who are addicted
to power.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:59 PM
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2. Heh heh...
Young Evangelical boys sent to become altar boys at Catholic churches in order to tempt priests...

It's sure got flavor.

But taking note of the interesting coincidence you point out...

I kind of doubt it.

I'd have to know assets, legal points, and the whole general dynamic of this 'church-on-church' issue to have an idea.

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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:59 PM
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3. There has been hope that Protestants and Catholics would reunite.
It seems that there has been negotiations. For instance the Protestants might recognize Catholic baptisms and vice versa.

It will be a long process and one wonders if Evangelicals actually stand in the way of this happening.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:00 PM
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4. Nevah happen. The Catholic Church can whip out a
previously unknown Raphael or Michaelangelo or Donetti at the drop of hat. These guys have been collecting 'stuff' since 30 A.D. I doubt the fundies want to get into a pissing contest with Ratzi the Nazi. He has some seriously deep pockets.

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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:12 PM
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13. How do they protect their assets from liability and liquidation?
see my post #9 below.

It seems like the families who sue for the pedophile abuse should not have to settle for a tiny portion of their judgment when the offending church bankrupts. How does the Vatican avoid attachment of their assets and liquidation due to the massive civil judgments?

It looks like some kind of dodge a corporation would use to avoid paying people who were harmed by defective products.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:02 PM
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5. Catholics have a lot in common with the fundies on the right wing side.
Edited on Mon May-09-05 09:07 PM by Cleita
I don't know why I believe this, but I believe the Popes like John XXIII, and other reformers who died unexpectedly were murdered. :tinfoilhat: It happened frequently during the Rennaissance, so why not now?
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:04 PM
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6. Not merge
But I do see them working together for power in the USA. Pope may want to gain old power back while helping fundies kill half the population.
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:08 PM
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7. Something is going on
with the Catholic church and the fundies. The Catholic church is very needy right now. Can the Catholic church be bought now that they are in deep trouble?
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:08 PM
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8. Something is going on
with the Catholic church and the fundies. The Catholic church is very needy right now. Can the Catholic church be bought now that they are in deep trouble?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:10 PM
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11. Not merge, but one hand could help the other
towards a common goal, a docile population who does what they are told and doesn't speak up.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:09 PM
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9. Other way around. Vatican monetary wealth exceeds human imagination
I know there are bankruptcies in the RCC, but somehow they are compartmentalizing their assets so that if one church or one district gets hit with an enormous loss, the assets of the Vatican are not attached.

In reality, if the RCC was considered to be one corporation, with the central HQ (the Vatican) financially responsible for the liabilities of all the branch offices (the local churches), then none of the churches would have to go bankrupt, but there would be a massive wealth transfer out of the Vatican to the people who have been harmed by the pedophile priests.

The Protestant churches, in contrast to the RCC, are NOT one organization. The various denominations are completely independent of each other, and in some cases their are branches within denominations that are not affiliated (e.g. Southern Baptists, Fundamentalist Baptist, Independent Baptist, etc ad infinitum.)

Because of the lack of unity and central authority, the Protestant churches could not "take over" the RCC.

On the other hand, the RCC was established as a sort of 'proprietary monopoly' on spiritual truth. They have been after all varieties of protestants for ever, trying to enforce their alleged 'exclusive patent' on spiritual truth.

If one were to try to assimilate the other(s), it would have to be the RCC attempting to assimilate the various protestant denominations, to bring these heretics back into the fold.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:10 PM
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10. Quick
write a screen play, film it and show it at Sundance.

Send me tickets.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:12 PM
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12. Actually, this could be a good story. Writers take note.
eom
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:17 PM
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14. since this is a tinfoil hat post, why no discussion of Vatican arms dealin
and Vatican laundering of drug money, Vatican involvement with intelligence agencies, P2, CIA, arms sales to Central American dictators, etc?

Come on, people, are we that out of the tinfoil hat loop?
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:21 PM
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15. The Overt and Covert Organs of the Vatican and British Empires are Locked
Great stuff at this website. Better double-line that hat with some genuine Reynolds Wrap. This is way too intense for that cheap generic tinfoil.

Current Working Hypothesis: The Overt and Covert Organs of the Vatican and British Empires are Locked in Mortal Combat for Control of the World
http://a-albionic.com/a-albionic.html

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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 12:55 AM
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16.  I sincerly believe
That senator Kerry won the election and was pressured to step down by the bishops of his church. I have no proof mind you this is just my tin foil hat theory. I say this though the catholic religion is very beautiful one its the people at the top and the people pushing it on you are the ones ruinning it.
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