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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:23 PM
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Ever notice there is no 'enemy' in Iraq? just 'insurgents'.
Websters defines insurgent as: A person who revolts against civil
authority or an established government. So, in Iraq, wouldn't the
insurgents be the same as the enemy? I'm inclined to believe that a
lot more of the 'insurgents' are actually Iraqis pissed off about the
occupation of their nation by the US of A.
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:25 PM
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1. that and
EVERYONE we kill is an insurgent
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Krupskaya Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:26 PM
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2. Ever notice they never say how they know they're "insurgents"?
I figure if they don't shoot, they're suspected insurgents. If they do, they're insurgents, or possibly even foreign terrorist elements.
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AllegroRondo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:27 PM
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3. "enemy" polled badly
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:41 PM
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13. Sadly, this is probably the truest answer. 'Enemy' polled badly.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:33 PM
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4. a rose by any other name.....
in Afghanistan anyone captured is 'taliban', all the prisoners in Gitmo are 'combatants', and Iraqi prisons are full of those 'insurgents'. I'm thinking its regional...wonder what they will be called in Iran and Syria.
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:33 PM
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5. Since it's an illegal invasion, how is it that the US is the civil or
establied government? Also note, insurgents are interchangable with terrorists. I thought terrorists were people who didn't have a country and attacked civilians.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:06 PM
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10. It isn't an official war...
And "insurgents" aren't an official "army". That's why it's OK to torture them. (Unofficial people don't feel pain).
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:33 PM
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6. Pockets of resistance
Another one of my favorites
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El Fuego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:38 PM
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7. WE'RE the insurgents
We invaded a country to overthrow an established government, that of Saddam Hussein.

Calling the Iraqis "insurgents" is administration propaganda the MSM has naturally bought into.
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:56 PM
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8. at least most are no longer automatically calling anyone we fight in Iraq
terrorists.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:18 PM
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14. Except on Faux
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:04 PM
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9. Seymour Hersh has said "insurgent" is an improper term. Resistance.
We're largely fighting the same people we were fighting upon entering Baghdad in 2003.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:22 PM
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11. one country's insurgents is another country's patriots
guess who gets to decide.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:29 PM
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12. I guess the whole label thing revolves around the existence of an
established government.

Since we are the invaders and occupiers, I would tend to call them the resistance, patriots, or freedom fighters.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:19 PM
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15. They are framing the word so they can call us "insurgents" at some point
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melissinha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:45 PM
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16. Exactly!
Edited on Mon May-09-05 04:54 PM by melissinha
When we rise up against the administration, we will be insurgents.... rising up against an established government... the TRUE term that should be applied to the "rebel forces" in Iraq is "guerrilla".
unhappycamper.... here's the correct term you are searching for...

guer·ril·la or gue·ril·la ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-rl)
n.
A member of an irregular, usually indigenous military or paramilitary unit operating in small bands in occupied territory to harass and undermine the enemy, as by surprise raids.


The corporate media and the administration has been using incorrect terminolgy .... Our military forces are the occupying forces against which the Iraqi guerrillas are fighing.

in·sur·gent ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-sûrjnt)
adj.
1. rising in revolt against established authority, especially a government.
2. Rebelling against the leadership of a political party.
---here's DU....

See... our government assumes that its authority is permanent and omnipresent, there is no real administration in Iraq, hence.... no insurgents....

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:48 PM
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17. Well if they named them as Saudi backed insurgents it would be
embarrassing. Wouldn't it?
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