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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:44 PM
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The uninsured should march on Washington. There are 45 million.
Edited on Sun May-08-05 06:56 PM by Bouncy Ball
Remember the Poor People's Campaign in the late 1960s? MLK Jr. was organizing it but had a hard time really getting it together, then he was assassinated, and the donations started flooding in and they finally got it done in June of that year (1968).

I think it's generally agreed that the results were mixed, but it certainly brought attention to the plight of the poor in America (they set up tent cities in DC).

I wish we could have a march of those who have no health insurance. And those who have health insurance, but care about those who don't. There are 45 million plus who have no health coverage at all, and many, if not most of those people WORK. That's a crying shame.

My hairstylist owes $17,000 for the birth of her son (her only child) and an emergency gallbladder removal (hers). She's going to be paying this back for a very long time, making her financial situation even harder than it already is. All because she has no health coverage. Her son (two years old) has asthma but she has to wait until he is bad enough for the ER to take him to a doctor. She was told he has suffered irreversible damage to his lungs which could have been prevented with timely medical care. Can you imagine? And she works her ass off at two jobs.

And just look at our DU friend Andy. Reading the posts on Andy makes me think of all those other Andys out there who don't have a huge internet community pulling together for them.

It's shameful when working parents can't take their kids to the doctor. Those kids tend to miss school and kids with high absentee rates tend not to be as successful in school. They tend to drop out, which means they are at higher risk for being unemployed, and on Medicare, welfare, food stamps, unemployement. Right wingers don't seem to see this connection. Or won't see it. They don't understand how cheap an ounce of prevention is compared to a pound of cure.

But here's an idea: bring together all the major progressive organizations in a mass mobilization of the uninsured in America. Even 1% of the uninsured in America would be 450,000 people marching on Washington, telling the world "This is only a tiny percentage of us, we cannot take our kids to the doctor when they are sick, we cannot get the surgeries we need to save our lives." 10% would be 4.5 MILLION PEOPLE.

Remember that vet in a wheelchair who told John Edwards during the campaign that both he and his wife suffer from the same heart problem, but they can't afford meds for both of them (from the VA)? He said they split their meds. He choked up. Edwards choked up. You had to not have a soul to hear that story and not be affected. They were risking both of their lives just so they could each have half a chance to live, and he served his country.

Imagine it. Imagine something like all those people going to DC saying something has to change. I don't want to hear "it won't change anything." That's defeatist talk. We all know bush and his ilk don't give a flying shit about the uninsured in America (and many other groups of people), but sometimes, just sometimes, when politicos see an action as politically expedient (ie: it saves their neck), they will move forward.

Sometimes miracles do happen.

And with enough public pressure (how many of you can name people of ALL political flavors who have no health insurance? Or can't even afford the health insurance they DO have?) something could be accomplished, something big.

Let's start talking. If this came together, despite tough finances, I'd FIND a way to DC. I'd do whatever it took. It would involve doing some non-computer legwork. But it would also wake a hell of a lot of people up.

Who's with me?

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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:48 PM
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1. That's why the Bush Crime Family bribes the churches w/faith based stuff
That way during every election cycle the churches can tell people that democrats are immoral because they're pro choice and won't stop the queers from getting married. This way the Bush Crime Family doesn't have to worry about a baclash from the poor because the churches make them stay poor.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:54 PM
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2. This march would be non-partisan.
Oh I'm sure there'd be bush haters there, a-plenty.

But it wouldn't be billed as a march on bush or even on republicans.

It would be a march FOR health insurance, for all 45 million Americans without it.

We could leave bush out of it, but eventually it would be Congress and bush we would be calling upon to change things.

The appeal could be that they could do something that could REALLY make a difference in the lives of millions of Americans.

Of course, then the question would be "where is the money to come from?"

Eyes would be pointed in the direction of the Defense budget, which could have 10% sliced right off the top and not suffer a bit for it (it's HUGE). Eyes would be pointed in the direction of the staggering budget deficit, created since bush took office. Attention would be given to all the money spent attacking Iraq, a country that had no beef with us and did nothing to us.

We could point out the tax cuts that enormously benefitted the wealthiest among us, people who aren't affected by a lack of health insurance.

And chickens could come home to roost.

If bush and the repukes refused to do anything, look at what assholes they'd truly be in full view even of people who don't generally think of them as assholes. Or people who don't generally think of them at all.



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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:06 PM
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5. Iraq, a country that had no beef with us
Edited on Sun May-08-05 07:10 PM by kliljedahl
But they tried to kill his daddy :sarcasm:

Irony:
Actually that's one hell of an idea. Now all we need is that one charismatic person to be the figurehead for impetus. I'm afraid there are no MLKs today. Any ideas?


Keith’s Barbeque Central



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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:13 PM
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7. Well, seeing as how MLK had to DIE to get people to really
get going on it, I'd like to not go that route.

I think we can do this, with the help of several big strong organizations that fight this fight all the time.

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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:20 AM
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217. Yes, BB. Great post. Let's stop talking and DO it. nt
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:06 PM
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74. I think John Edwards could be persuaded....
With his work with the UNC Poverty Center, this would be right up his alley. What could be more financially debilitating that not having and needing health insurance??? Surely, this is a huge cause and perpetuater (if there's such a word) of poverty in our country.

Elizabeth???? Are you listening??? We need John!!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #74
79. That is a spectacular idea.
Off to google the UNC Poverty Center now. Wow.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:21 PM
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196. John OR Elizabeth Edwards would be FABULOUS to have as speakers!
Edited on Sun May-08-05 11:22 PM by ultraist
ACORN is another org which may help to organize and increase the turnout:

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=8415

Edwards recently joined ACORN and is working on increasing minimum wage with this org.

I'd email them, but I'm not sure what you want to say at this point. Do you have a draft we can start emailing out?

What about a name for the march?

I'm so there! Very cool idea Bouncy!

:bounce:

edit to add: OH! And ANDY of course! What a great guest speaker he'd be.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #196
199. Tentative title for march is
The March for American Lives. We need a sub-title with the phrase "medically uninsured" or something like that in it.

Tentative date: Saturday, September 17, 2005.

Thanks for the acorn suggestion. I have emailed the UNC Poverty Center, which Edwards is the head of.

I don't have a draft for an email yet, I am sort of personalizing each one so far. But we are setting up the website and getting that together.

I will post an update thread as soon as I can.

If you know of an organization that you think might help and that you think wouldn't immediately turn away at the mention of Democrats, you could simply email them a link to this thread...
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #199
211. Here is an idea
Take for granted it is 12:30 in the am and I didn't sleep last night.

M*U*N*C*H

Medically Uninsured Nationalized Citizens Healthcare

You can call it the MUNCH March.:)

Okay, maybe I can come up with a better idea tomorrow:)
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #211
212. Another one
Edited on Mon May-09-05 12:57 AM by Horse with no Name
S*H*A*M*E

Securing Healthcare for Americans is a Medical Emergency


You could call it the "March for SHAME"


Edited to Add:
You could really play this up.
You could have a "SHAMEwatch" and list the number of uninsured Americans or Americans who have died from lack of healthcare
Everyone holding signs could say SHAME.
I don't know about you--but I think this fits.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #212
218. I like SHAME...gd one HWNN nt
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #74
85. My Gosh, I think you've found it
Good idea, charismatic, strong speaker, I think we've got a winner!!!


Keith’s Barbeque Central
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:37 AM
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242. Try that stunt today and Rove would summon the National Guard
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #242
263. What are you talking about?
Edited on Mon May-09-05 11:45 AM by Bouncy Ball
P.S. Most of the NG is a little busy in a place called Iraq.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:19 PM
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176. Exactly
Earlier this week on a radio show (I can't remember who now ugh) a guy called in and was telling how in Ohio the Bush/Cheney people gave black church's money in return for votes. I think this might've been on Malloy but I'm not positive. It's disgusting how they are. In my own state of Tennessee the governor is fighting to fix TennCare but people are still kicked off. Last November or December 323,000 adults were kicked off (they didn't kick off kids). And all the while Bush claims to be a "compassionate conservative" he is making all types of budget cuts for 2006 in programs like medicare and medicaid that could help people with illness. I think it's purely disgusting.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:58 PM
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3. Count me in.
There's gotta be groups ready to be tapped for action.
I know there are doctors organized for national health care.
Seems like unions would gladly march, too.
Marching for national health care would have a wider appeal
than to just those who identify with a progressive group.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:59 PM
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4. Exactly, this affects so many people in all different political camps.
Edited on Sun May-08-05 07:00 PM by Bouncy Ball
And people who are completely apolitical, as well.

Let's brainstorm the names of groups we could contact.

What doctor's organizations are concerned with the uninsured?

What unions would join us?

I'll start emailing if I can get some brainstormed names. I'm serious about this, it's something I've been thinking about for years.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:18 PM
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14. I found one doctors' group...and there's probably more.
http://www.pnhp.org/ I'll look back through some of the health care
threads for more ideas.
Contacting doctors that do missionary work(Doctors Without Borders?)
would probably net the names of some more organizations state by
state.

Dentists,pharmacists, chiropractors,optometrist, any kind of health
care worker organization that we can find a name and email address
for.

As far as unions go, invite them all! Must be a national list of
unions somewhere.

State by state a list could be made of charitable organizations that
could be contacted.

Churches, Lion's Club(aren't they concerned with eyesight?), Senior
Citizens' organizations, Veteran's organizations...
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. Great ideas, I'm on it.
Anyone else reading this who would like to help, please do.

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #14
40. Ok I emailed PNHP (great organization, btw).
I will look for a list of unions nationwide.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #14
246. yes, get the docs involved.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:56 PM
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169. A couple of ideas
For starters, would be great to get Oprah on board.
Very few people have her star appeal.

Another organization that is concerned about the uninsured is
www.simplecare.com

Also, some supporters would be all of your societies that deal with people with chronic diseases who are typically uninsured or underinsured, ie, American Cancer Society, American Kidney Foundation, Diabetes Foundation, American Lung Society, etc.
They would be great supporters of this.

I would also enlist the support of trauma centers.
They are generally county funded and most are going broke because they are not privately funded, and the majority of trauma patients are uninsured.

That's just a start--would love to help if you get the ball rolling, but I can't start a big project right now because of my current obligations.

Good luck.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #169
174. I just emailed simplecare, thank you.
And you had good advice. I will work on those things tomorrow. Thank you!!!
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:11 PM
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6. I think it's an excellent idea
The insurance lobby has a death-grip on Congress, and only the demands of the people will break it.

Even 50,000 marchers would make a statement - and if you got enough co-sponsors (NOW, NAACP, unions...etc) you could make this a major event. It's certainly worth considering.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:13 PM
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9. How about Robert Kennedy JR...
Or maybe the Kennedy's stir up too many strong feelings. Um, how about Bill Moyers, he could lead the march and do a special on it at the same time.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:16 PM
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12. Bill Moyers, ok.
Good one. Very good. Thanks, let's keep this going. Big things happened out of simple ideas.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #12
63. I can't find an email for Bill Moyers, can anyone help?
I've looked all over.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:11 PM
Response to Reply #63
330. Bill@backbonecampaign.org
There ya go...
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Ok now you're giving me names.
I was blanking out there for a while.

NOW would be interested on the basis of health care for women and their children.

NAACP, health care for African-Americans, obviously.

Who else?

Which unions? Where are the doctors' organizations fighting this fight? I'm googling but need some help.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:17 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. The Urban League, The Carter Center
Edited on Sun May-08-05 07:33 PM by Solly Mack
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #13
29. Alliance for Retired Americans PLUS motherlode links link
Edited on Sun May-08-05 07:38 PM by Solly Mack
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #29
33. I just sent them an email.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #29
60. Campaign for America’s Future
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #60
83. Another good one, emailing now.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #13
49. Emailed the National Urbal League.
Working on the others.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #49
62. Excellent!!! Thank you!!!!!
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:07 PM
Response to Reply #49
76. How about Rainbow/PUSH coalition?
This seems like something Jesse would like, especially since he'd get some face time. It might cause some Republican groups to not participate, though, although they might not anyway with NOW and union support.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. NOW and Union support, they'd be iffy.
I think they'd do it even with union support (they want that union vote BAD), but yeah, I think Jesse would push them out.

Still, honestly, I really don't see republican organizations as jumping up and down to be a part of this. I could be surprised, but doubt it.

There's no harm in emailing, right?

Thanks for the ideaS!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #13
68. Ok Carter Center email sent. Will work on your mother lode link now.
Thank you so much Solly Mack!!!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. Thank you! I'm getting all excited!!!!!!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #69
72. No thank YOU, you are doing a lot of searching for links
for me. :applause:
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #13
110. cover the uninsured has a great libray of resources
They just completed their annual CTUW week of activities. Presidents Carter and Ford are co-chairs.

Main sponsor is the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #110
116. Will google that now. Thank you!
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #116
119. link
http://covertheuninsuredweek.org/

I also posted some organizations below #113
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #119
120. Got it. And will check out #113.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:19 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. let's see....
Urban League, Children's Defense Fund (a good one, since they focus on poor children).

The two major teacher's unions would be a good start.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. Ooo good ones.
And yes, teacher unions and organizations. After all, we know the effects of kids with no health insurance very well.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:13 PM
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8. If I couldn't get back to the states to participate, I'd help sponsor
the expenses of someone else to go...gladly.

This is an excellent idea, Bouncy.



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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:16 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. THAT'S a great idea.
Expat Americans who care about uninsured Americans sponsoring the cost of ONE uninsured American to participate in this march asking for the American government to show the basic decency toward its people that almost ALL other first world countries do.

(Is first world a phrase? I know third world is.)
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #11
16. Charter buses?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #16
26. Yes, we'd do everything and anything to get people there.
Charter buses, sharing rides, camping along the way, whatever it takes.

People who care who aren't going but have the money to could sponsor some bus tickets, sponsor some gas money, etc.

I need to start a website.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:28 AM
Response to Reply #16
219. Oh yeah! nt
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:22 PM
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17. Someone please give this it's 3rd nod for the greatest page
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:22 PM
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18. If someone can provide a "scooter" I am in. (disabledf) nt
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #18
27. I thought about that.
A lot of people who would want to go would be unable to walk long distances (or at all), so we would need access to wheelchairs, scooters, etc.

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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #27
95. have them ride in the back of trucks or something
they have to be visible. We could have pictures of all the bed-ridden folks or try to get people to march in proxy with a sign that says so.


Good idea Bouncy Ball. We should definitely do this.

Rich Democrats like Warren Buffet may be able to help out financially too.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #95
213. Excellent idea. Would someone like to carry me. Don't weight much. LOL.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:23 PM
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19. I'll do it.
Edited on Sun May-08-05 07:25 PM by Cleita
I have room for three more if they are willing to share gas and other car expenses to get there, and if they don't mind tent camping. It's the cheapest way to stay overnight on the way. I hope you plan this when the weather is ageeable. Snow would complicate things.

I sort of dreamed about something like this. A caravan of those going picking up other protesters on the way so when we get to Washington we will take up all lanes on their streets and freeways getting there. We will have banners or posters on our cars as we go so all will know whom we are. We should have some printed matter to hand out to anyone who is interested in what this is all about.

Okay, where are we going to set up our Hooverville when we get there?

On edit: I forgot to say that I live on the Central California coast.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. That's what I'm trying to figure out.
I don't know DC well.

I am going to post a link to this thread in the DC forum.

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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:26 PM
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20. if you really want to do this
(and I think you should)...before you start contacting possible co-sponsors you should do the following:

1. Select a date, preferably with plenty of lead time.
2. Put up a simple site that will highlight the co-sponsors, provide facilities for ride-sharing, etc. and
3. Make sure you arrange for a permit before you do anything else.

I'll be glad to provide the server space free of charge, if you need it.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:31 PM
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24. Ok I've never set up a website before.
But Eleanor Roosevelt said "you must do the thing you think you cannot do."

So I must do this.

A date, I wasn't sure we could be that firm yet. When should it be? Preferably not when it is super hot, but preferably right when a new session of Congress is set to start. Doesn't Congress start back up in August or September?

Permits, ok, I'll have to ask for information on this.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:35 PM
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28. that's okay...
I think there are probably people here who might volunteer to do the site design, and then all you really need to do is think of the name for the march and register the domain name.

I think NOW probably have people on staff who could help with getting the permits.

September seems perfect to me - August is still oppressively hot in DC.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:37 PM
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31. I'm thinking September, too.
I just hope it's enough time.

I am trying to think of a name for the march. So far I'm calling it the March of the Uninsured, but it doesn't really have any ring to it.

Maybe someone more creative will help us think of a good name.

Thanks for offering to host.

Off to email some more.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:45 PM
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39. let's see...
How about something like, The People's Lobby for Healthcare...since we don't have a lobby, we have to form one with people, not money. Some variation of this might tap into the simmering anger against the powerful lobbies that steal from us and reward themselves.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:50 PM
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45. March for Americans' Lives?
Edited on Sun May-08-05 08:27 PM by wildflower
Or maybe you could spotlight someone, such as the baby who died in Texas, in the name of the march.

-wildflower

ON EDIT: I think I remember George Lakoff telling Janeane Garofalo that the March for Women's Lives was well-named, because "choice" isn't a very moving word to many people, but something being a matter of their very lives is. I'm not paraphrasing it very well, but you get the idea.

That's what made me think of "March for Americans' Lives." Plus the whole "culture of life" thing. Plus it's non-partisan.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:54 PM
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53. I like your first idea.
I like it.

Hmmmm.........
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:01 PM
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66. I just edited my above post, I think before I saw your reply...
Edited on Sun May-08-05 08:29 PM by wildflower
Anyway here's what it said in case you missed it:

'I think I remember George Lakoff telling Janeane Garofalo that the March for Women's Lives was well-named, because "choice" isn't a very moving word to many people, but something being a matter of their very lives is. I'm not paraphrasing it very well, but you get the idea.

That's what made me think of "March for Americans' Lives." Plus the whole "culture of life" thing. Plus it's non-partisan.'

By the way, I forgot to say, your idea is great!

-wildflower
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:04 PM
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71. wildflower, about your edit, I TOTALLY agree.
March for Americans' Lives.

That's awesome.

If you don't mind, I'm going to start calling it that in my emails to organizations.

I need to really get going on the website, so I can have somewhere to direct these organizations for more information, but we're just fleshing things out here. It might take some organizations a few days to get back to me, so I thought I'd go ahead and start emailing now.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:12 PM
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89. how about ---
"March for American Lives"? I just checked on godaddy.com and MarchForAmericanLives.org is available.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:13 PM
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91. March for American Lives.
that is so incredible.

Ok, how do we get that domain?
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:17 PM
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96. whatever you want to do...
I can register it right now, under the name of the organization, or you can. We just should do it fairly quickly, in case a visiting freeper sees this thread and registers it first out of spite.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:28 PM
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104. Yes, register it.
Thank you!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:31 PM
Response to Reply #104
107. Do we need money for the domain?
Cause I can paypal a few bucks now to help.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:44 PM
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123. that's okay...
Even with the privacy option, the domain name was less than $14.00. I don't mind covering it...this is such a terrific idea.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:45 PM
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125. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:yourock:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:47 PM
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127. Let me second that thank you
and you completely rock.

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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:40 PM
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117. done
I registered it as "March for American Lives" as the domain owner, and used the privacy option so I won't get a funky late-night visit from the insurance lobby.

I'll get the server setup and PM you with the details so you can upload the site.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:42 PM
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122. Wow,
I'm suddenly scared! LOL! But in a good way, if that makes sense.

You just made it very real.

OK, I'll look for your PM and start talking to you about how to do this, technology-wise.

Thank you so much. Do you need financial help hosting it or what? I have no idea how this works.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:26 PM
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102. I don't mind at all
And again, thanks for thinking of this idea! :thumbsup:

:hi:

-wildflower
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:28 PM
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311. September sounds good to me too,
A day that will hopefully get press. Probably a Sunday, though Saturday is easier for people.
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redwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:04 PM
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283. hubby says he'll do the web site
Edited on Mon May-09-05 01:04 PM by redwitch
dadoonan@mohilldesign.com And we will happily join this march- our health insurance is way too expensive, we can hardly do it each quarter. It would suck to not have any.

says he can have site up and running in 2 days.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:30 AM
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220. Web Designer here..willing to design and upload site. nt
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:12 AM
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226. Well I need some help with design, that's for sure.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:27 PM
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21. I've emailed NOW.
I'm off to email the others linked here, too.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:36 PM
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30. I've posted a link to this thread in the DC forum.
After I email a few more organizations, I'll check out any information I can get on permits.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:42 PM
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32. Other ideas (contacts):
1. John Kerry (he's doing that bill for the uninsured children; maybe you could get him to send this out to his list)

2. Unions

3. All the Air America hosts; I feel their effort really helped with rallying people for the March for Women's Lives and the RNC protest

4. Progressive churches

5. Evangelist churches that are concerned for the poor (there are some)

6. Non-partisan or Republican groups

If we could get (5) and (6) to participate, that would make it even more effective.

And finally, pick a meaningful day such as a birthday or observation day for a figure such as FDR or MLK.

-wildflower
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:44 PM
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36. Those are GREAT ideas.
Thank you! Wonder if there is a birthday or observation day in September.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:55 PM
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57. September dates...
Edited on Sun May-08-05 07:56 PM by DemBeans
Labor Day

Citizenship Day/Constitution Day - September 17th each year. Observes the anniversary of the US Constitution being completed and signed and approved, 1787) "In 1940, Congress designated the third Sunday in May as "I am an American Day." Many cities continue to observe this holiday. On February 29, 1952, President Harry Truman signed a bill establishing September 17 as Citizenship Day replacing the May observance and moving the date to the one on which the U.S. Constitution was signed in 1787. The intent of the bill was to give recognition to those who had become American Citizens during the preceding year. The celebrations include pageantry and speeches to impress Americans with the privileges and responsibilities of U.S. citizenship." September 17th falls on a Saturday this year.

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:07 PM
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78. WOW, now that's an interesting date.
We could tie it all into how, as American citizens, the uninsured among us are suffering, even dying for a lack of access to health care. "....life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" right?

Great catch and on a Saturday is great, though this would probably be a four day weekend kind of thing. The actual march could be on Saturday.

If anyone has any opinion, PLEASE chime in, any information you have that would change this???? I have NEVER organized a march before, I'm as green as hell at this.
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:16 PM
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94. Consider Contacting
Various organizations that service the Homeless and do Large Food Pantries.

Contacting the Missouri State Senator who just relinquished his health care might be an idea.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:29 PM
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105. Oh God, what's his name?
I'm going to go find it, I know where the link is. You're right, he'd be a great one to contact. Thanks!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #57
248. yes, Constitution DaY--EXCELLANT!!
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:55 PM
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58. Another idea: Labor Day? Unites workers w/o insurance and it's a holiday
Workers without insurance from both parties might be inspired to - and would have the day off to - participate?

-wildflower
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:09 PM
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81. I thought of Labor Day too. It will be tough going though because
everybody is out on Labor Day and it's hard to find any motel space or camping space without reservations being made way ahead of time even way out in the boonies. I always liked right after Labor Day, because everyone has gone home. The weather is still good though. Something to ponder and think about.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:20 PM
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97. You're right, I hadn't thought of that.
And I know just what you mean about things being quiet after Labor Day...aaaahhh. :)

-wildflower
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:32 AM
Response to Reply #32
221. Randi Rhodes especially. Heard she has been corresponding
w/ someone who doesn't hv health care and she is paying for it!

She would be good!
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:43 PM
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34. I just remembered something...
Canadians got national healthcare because of grassroots efforts.
Might be some ideas to cull from their history.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #34
42. Hmm.
Maybe I'll post this link in the Canadian forum, too. Thank you! I didn't know that.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #34
54. Hi there Lars39.
Some Canadian links for those who don't have them. I know you do.

:hi:

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/english/care/index.html
http://www.healthcoalition.ca/

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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:58 PM
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65. Hi Cleita !
I'm glad you found them; my bookmarks are in shambles right now. :)
And I'd be honored to have you stay at my place(middle TN). :hi:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:05 PM
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73. Thanks!
I've never been to Tennessee.
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FunkyLeprechaun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:43 PM
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35. That's a
wonderful idea.

People like Andy and that disabled vet at the John Edwards rally shouldn't have to go through their illnesses and not being able to pay for the care.

My mother gave a raise to her housekeeper (who comes in once a week), giving her two cheques and asking the Mayo Clinic to take some of the costs off, after her daughter was in a terrible car accident and had to go to a hospital. I was there when she comforted the housekeeper and she said to the housekeeper (who used to be Republican) this is why we need universal health care. The housekeeper ended up voting for Kerry last year in the hopes of universal health care.

My mum and dad, who is a doctor (a cardiologist, and, I'm sorry to say, not a surgeon), emigrated to the United States from Britain after having guaranteed health care in Britain. They hate the state of health insurance here.

I almost had no insurance for my Cochlear Implant surgery because insurance at the last minute (I was being prepped for surgery and was getting ready to go into the operating room) said they wouldn't pay for it. The ENT surgeon said he'd do it for free if the insurance didn't cough up the money and had to strangle them before they finally gave it up.

That is the problem with health care in the united states is not just the costs, it's how fickle insurance is. Insturance provided by a company takes several months to kick in, so even if one has a job, they don't even have insurance for health care.

I also wish the Democrats would hit home the point that Universal Health Care is pro-business as well. It would save the businesses a lot of money.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:20 PM
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150. yes universal health care IS pro-business
every angle of that needs to be stressed IMO
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #35
156. I agree...Universal Health Care is pro-business b/c it saves them money.
Excellent point, definitely needs to be stressed more!

-wildflower
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #35
261. You're damn right it's pro-business
GM and Ford have publicly expressed support for it because they are getting killed with insurance costs for their employees. And people wonder why a lot of our cars are made in Canada of all places. The insurance companies and drug companies spend a fortune bribing congress. If there was a law limiting how much money their lobbyists could spend, that would do a lot to lower costs.

lots more info at physicians for a national health care program
http://www.pnhp.org/
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:44 PM
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37. Consider sounding out Physicians for National Health Care--
--and other universal health care organizations about this.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:49 PM
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44. Would that be these guys?
http://www.pnhp.org/

If so, I just emailed them.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:53 PM
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52. You are SO way ahead of me!
Count me as on board!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:55 PM
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56. LOL, no someone upthread (forgive me, I can't remember who--
things are a blur of names and emails right now and I'm way behind on starting dinner) mentioned them and I've emailed them. They are a great organization.

Thanks for being on board, any help I can get, even the smallest amount, will help. I want to REALLY help the uninsured, not just continue to sit around wringing my hands about it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:04 PM
Response to Reply #44
70. Their website has everything you need to know about
health care issues in this country and read their plan. It's to die for. If we could get this health plan in this country, we would have a health care paradise/
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:45 PM
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38. I posted this link in the activism forum and health forum
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. Thank you, I always forget how many great forums we have here!
I'm off to post it in the Canadian forum for some ideas from our neighbors to the north.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:51 PM
Response to Reply #43
47. My pleasure. I love this idea of yours! Posted in Poverty/Economic Dev.
Forum as well
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:47 PM
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41. How about in all major cities?
getting to DC from the west coast is nearly impossible, financially and physically.

Of course the biggest one should be in DC.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:17 AM
Response to Reply #41
208. How did I miss this post?
so sorry!

Yeah, I'm thinking we should also have people in each state to coordinate a march on the capitols on the SAME day, especially for people who can't get to DC.

Imagine what a message that would send.

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:51 PM
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46. The big problem is that the working poor
are too busy working to travel to DC to protest.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:53 PM
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48. True. There are plenty in D.C. itself though, aren't there? Or...
what about Labor Day?

-wildflower
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:25 AM
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235. The ones in DC don't have a voting Representative in the House
and no representation in the Senate.
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wildflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:53 AM
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238. I know...that's why I thought they would be especially interested. n/t
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:11 AM
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240. They certainly haven't been marching in large numbers
demanding representation in Congress.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:41 AM
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264. That absolutely SUCKS.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:53 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. And lack the financial resources to go to DC....
because they cannot take the time off work and need the money they would spend/not make for other things.....

What a damn sad commentary on this country.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #46
90. I know, but how did they get all the poor to travel to DC
in 1968 for the Poor People's Campaign?

I know this is possible. I know it is. Even if we get 100,000 people there. The more the better, but I feel like we HAVE to do this.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:16 PM
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93. It's possible.,...it can happen. It MUST happen!!!!!
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #90
114. Community meetings beforehand to stir interest, spread facts?
Community wide meetings on healthcare would also help us figure out who and how to get folks there.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:41 PM
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118. Yes
I like the way you think.

We'd have to have some local mobilization, even with big national organizations joining us on this.

The best case scenario would be people arranging to share rides and charter buses locally. Then for those who cannot do so, we can have sponsorship, etc.

On the website, we could have announcements about caravans, where they are leaving from and when, and how many empty seats they have available.

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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:45 PM
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124. A steady stream of letters to editors would help draw folks to meetings.
Pamphleteering, too.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:41 AM
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244. maybe...
In the state forums, we can ask for a volunteer to chair their state organization, and those individuals can coordinate with local chapters of our co-sponsors, as well as contacting others from within the state who might participate. Perhaps each chair could have a public relations volunteer who could contact local press throughout the state and be available for interviews.

I could create an email address for each state volunteer using the domain and it would help keep their communications organized. We could publish these state contacts on the site so they could be easily contacted.

The local marches would be important as well, and we should offer as many resources as possible to the state coordinators.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #244
265. Great, ok
I will post a link to this thread and a link to the second thread in the state forums and ask for a volunteer to help coordinate. It would have to be someone who really wanted to do this! :D
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #90
236. Perahps is will be as big of a success that the Million Mom March was
Remember all of the federal gun control legislation that was passed after that?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #236
266. Oh you're right, let's just give up
let's not even try.

:eyes:

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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #266
278. I am just pointing out that these big 'marches' and 'demonstrations'
are a collossial waste of resources. Remember all of the anti-war demonstrations before the Iraq war? A lot of good they did.

I'm not saying that it a waste to push this issue, just that the methods that you are pursuing are unlikely to produce the results that you want.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:27 PM
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280. You got any better ideas?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #280
296. Look at what other successful organizations are doing
Whatever you may think about the NRA, you have to admit that they are effective. They do an amazing job getting their members to individually contact legislators whenever there is a bill pending which may affect gun control. And when election time rolls around, they let their membership know where the candidates. These tactics can work for a liberal or conservative organization, so long as it has enough members to intimidate politicians.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #296
298. The NRA also has and is a powerful gun LOBBY.
Oh we've got organizations on our side, and if you think they don't send out massive calls to contact legislators you're wrong. I get the email alerts all the time, from dozens of organizations, big and small. Some working together on common goals, too.

Now why doesn't it work for OUR causes, that's my question. We do the same thing (except the NRA is a huge and powerful gun LOBBYING group, too, you have to remember that), yet do not get the same results, why is that?

Do our organizations not have the deep pockets to influence legislators as the NRA does?

Thanks for your suggestion, but it seems, in looking at all the organizations that have been suggested in this thread (and more) we are already doing all of that.

Where are the bills pending on health care for all?
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #298
308. How did they become such a powerful lobby?
And where did they get all of that money? From all of their members.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #308
310. Well then, I guess as a whole, Americans feel it's more
important to protect our rights to own guns than it is to make sure people can have access to medical care.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #310
316. You are probably correct
The trick is to convince them otherwise.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #316
323. That's a little beyond my capability at the moment
though I do tell people every chance I get that the idea that the Democratic party wants the government to take away everyone's guns is a total MYTH. After all, that would mean I wanted the government to take away MY guns.

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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #236
329. I went to that and took my 9-year-old with me.
It was great in building awareness and unity.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #90
324. Healthcare Freedom Riders
chartered buses is a great idea - I have a dream!

i.e., the 60's Civil Rights meant so much ... people JUST DID IT ...

'Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose'

I know of a real life example where someone walked off her domestic job to catch one of the buses headed to DC for the historic 1963 March on Washington. More than 30 chartered trains and 2,000 buses brought people to the capital (and, that was then). The Brooklyn chapter of Congress on Racial Equality (CORE) walked 230 miles--for 13 days--to the march. The United Auto Workers, one of the march sponsors, printed hundreds of signs with slogans such as "UAW Says Jobs and Freedom for Every American." An airplane full of celebrities, including Ossie Davis, Sammy Davis, Jr., Sidney Poitier, Lena Horne, Paul Newman, James Garner, Josephine Baker and Marlon Brando, was organized by Harry Belafonte.


I had to litigate to obtain long term disability vs. my corporate overlord's control over 'my' healthcare. I've been there, done that - it's time for a better way.

We need more Idealism:
Universal Healthcare is a basic human right.


"Each time a man stands up for an ideal or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance." - RFK, 1966






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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #324
328. great post!
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:53 PM
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51. Though Insured..
I would be more than happy to march for my fellow Americans. I would by a ticket to DC to show my support, and I know 100 or so that would too.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #51
157. I think a lot of supporters would go to DC
regardless of whether or not they personally have health insurance at the moment. The point is, through loss of job or other hardship, many people who currently have it are vulnerable to losing health insurance or not having enough to cover catastrophic illness. Personally I know a LOT of people in academia who don't have health insurance--it's not only a concern of the very poor. Also people who work in health care fields would be supportive, as they are dealing with the consequences of our dysfunctional system.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:55 PM
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55. Anyone heard anything
about Michael Mooore's documentary on health care? It would be great if this march could coincide with the release of this movie.

http://www.countingdown.com/movies/3554550

BTW, great idea, Bouncy!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:11 PM
Response to Reply #55
87. OMG that's RIGHT.
I had totally forgotten about that. It was the threads for Andy that really made me finally post this idea, I have been thinking about it for a long time.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #87
136. I think it's an absolutely fabulous idea
Health care - or rather the lack of access to it - is one of the worst crisis we face as Americans. It is horrifying to see the effects on children.

I routinely have students who have never been to the dentist. That just infuriates me.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:57 PM
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59. Not just progressives; this issue touches everyone!
I think it's a great idea, and could/should be a uniting issue!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:58 PM
Response to Original message
61. This is posted to the Canada forum now, too.
Maybe they will chime in with some ideas based on their history.

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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #61
84. Posted this in the Minnesota forum. I suggest we get it in all the
state forums.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:58 PM
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64. We need to emphasize that 18,000 Americans
die each year from curable diseases because they don't have access to health care.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:02 PM
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67. I'm in. It's time.
Edited on Sun May-08-05 08:21 PM by katinmn
When John Kerry met with us in St. Paul last week and a crowd of more than 350 of us were all brought to tears hearing story after story including how a grade school kid waited with a damn broken hand From Friday night till Monday to see the school nurse because his family had no health care, and how a grandma said she has been to dozens of health care fundraisers for little kids, all the St. Paul Pioneer Press wrote about was Kerry's political chances in '08.

I just read that in 2002, 18,000 adults died because of lack of health coverage. You can bet those numbers are beyond that now.

I'll be more than happy to join a campaign and march on Washington.
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Canadian Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:07 PM
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75. I put some information
that you asked for on the Canada forum. Good luck with the march.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #75
98. Thank you!
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:07 PM
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77. Bouncy, per your request
http://www.cbc.ca/greatest/top_ten/nominee/douglas-tommy.html

The founder of socialized medicine in Canada is Tommy Douglas, who was the founder of the CCF/NDP party and Premier of Saskatchewan. (He was also recently voted the Greatest Canadian.)

The link above give a brief history.

This link is to Chapters (Canadian book store) there are lots of books available. I'm sure there is plenty on the Internet too.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/default.asp?Lang=en&Section=books&Ntt=tommy+douglas
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #77
88. Thank you SO much yvr girl!!
I will check those out and read about him. This will be helpful.
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yvr girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #88
100. Tommy Douglas managed to do all that he did in Saskatchewan
and balance the budget too.

There was the reason he was voted Greatest Canadian.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:09 PM
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80. Anyone else willing to pitch in with $$ to help others get to DC to march?
I'm overseas and might not be able to get back to the states to march but I am willing to help sponsor with $$$$ so someone else can go.

If you can do this as well, please let Bouncy Ball know.

Thanks!!!!
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:11 PM
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86. This is a fantastic idea
Edited on Sun May-08-05 08:11 PM by chlamor
This issue galvanizes many.
LET'S GO FOR IT.

I know a couple in their 60's who are walking across New York this summer in an attempt to bring attention to this issue.

I think this would draw more attentions and a larger turnout than you could imagine. How about a few day sit-in with thousands in front of the Capitol?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #86
92. THat's exactly what I'm thinking.
Right around the weekend of September 17th. Anyone know about Congress at that time? I'm almost positive they are in session then.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #92
101. The Senate-House have a joint mtg scheduled for 9/20 so yeah
Tuesday, Sep. 20, 2005
10 a.m.
Veterans' Affairs
To hold joint hearings with the House Committee
on Veterans Affairs to examine the legislative
presentation of the American Legion.
345 CHOB
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:23 PM
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99. I am uninsured because I have been unemployed for 3 years.
You can have my body but I need a ticket to DC. Anybody want to give me a lift? Just PM me. Thanks
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #99
237. Where is Sanger?
I'm in Austin. If this materializes, I plan to go.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #237
243. 10 miles N. of Denton on I35.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #243
267. One of our Dallas area DUers who go can easily swing up there
and pick you up.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #267
272. Let me know when. I am in.
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:27 PM
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103. I dunno perhaps hold it on Sept 11 whose "shorthand numbers" are 9/11 and
Edited on Sun May-08-05 08:34 PM by Valerie5555
call it the "March To Address The Medical Insurance Emergency." :shrug: :shrug:


Just an idea for 9-11 was that "emergency number" that people would call if they were being threatened by a gun wielding sob, their house was on fire or there's a carbon monoxide leak, or if they unwittingly cut their hand while trying to cut a bagel, or they are majorly hurt in the process of "wiping out" while skiing, I am sure everyone got the idea. :D
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:31 PM
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106. Small Business groups....links....
National Federation Of Independent Business:
"The nation's largest small business advocacy group."
http://www.nfib.com

Small Business Survival Committee:
"Working to protect Small Business."
http://www.sbsc.org


National Business Incubation Association:
"The world's leading organization advancing business incubation and entrepreneurship."
http://www.nbia.org

S.C.O.R.E. - Service Corps of Retired Executives:
"Counselors to America's Small Business. A nonprofit association dedicated to entrepreneur education and the formation, growth and success of small business nationwide. SCORE volunteers provide free, confidential face-to-face and email business counseling to America’s entrepreneurs."
http://www.score.org

Young Entrepreneur's Association:
Non-profit educational organization for entrepreneurs and business owners under age 40.
http://www.yeo.org


International Franchise Association:
A membership organization of franchisors, franchisees and suppliers. Dedicated to providing a one-stop shopping experience for franchise information.
http://www.franchise.org

National Business Association:
Non-profit association, specifically designed to assist the Self-Employed and Small Business Community in achieving their professional goals."
http://www.nationalbusiness.org

American Small Businesses Association:
Partnership of small business owners with a shared goal of running a profitable business.
http://www.asbaonline.org

National Association for the Self-Employed:
The nation's leading resource for Micro-Business. Provides a broad range of benefits and support to help the smallest businesses succeed.
http://selfemployed.nase.org

United States Association for Small Business and Entrepreneurship:
U.S. Affiliate of the International Council for Small Business. Devoted to entrepreneurship education and development.
http://www.usasbe.org

American Association of Franchisees and Dealers:
Non-profit trade association representing the rights and interests of franchisees and independent dealers.
http://www.aafd.org

National Association of Small Business Investment Companies:
Acts as the voice for the Small Business Investment Company industry (SBIC) before Congress and the Administration.
http://www.nasbic.org



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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #106
109. They are a good idea, too, because
often small businesses cannot afford health insurance for their employees, but they lose productivity when their employees are out sick and have a chronic lack of access to medical care.

Thanks Lars, you're the best.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:32 PM
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108. Here are the organizations I have emailed so far:
UNC Poverty Center (John Edwards is head of this organization)

The Carter Center

The National Urban League

NOW

Physicians for a National Health Program (PNHP)

Campaign for America's Future

I am working on many more, including but not limited to: the state senator in Missouri (Minnesota?) who just voluntarily gave up his health insurance in protest, and a lot of the organizations in Solly Mack's great mother lode of links.

If anyone finds a great organization or thinks of one, PLEASE post the name here. I can google for a website/email address.

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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #108
111. Here's one!
The National Health Law Program is a national public interest law firm that seeks to improve health care for America's working and unemployed poor, minorities, the elderly and people with disabilities. NHeLP serves legal services programs, community-based organizations, the private bar, providers and individuals who work to preserve a health care safety net for the millions of uninsured or underinsured low-income people.

http://nhelp.org/
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #111
112. Emailing them now, thank you.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #108
113. mega list
http://covertheuninsuredweek.org/involved/
Click on these sections

National Partners
National Sponsors
National Supporters
Faith Community
Health Care Community
Business Community
Campus Community




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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #113
126. Physicians for a National Health Program
Now that group sounds promising!

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #126
138. Already emailed them.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #108
115.  Poor People's Human Rights Campaign (link)
POOR PEOPLE’S HUMAN RIGHTS CAMPAIGN

http://www.economichumanrights.org/press.html

MEDIA CONTACT
Samantha Heller
Maria DelMoral
press@economichumanrights.org
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #115
131. The University of the Poor...more on PPEHRC
The University of the Poor is the educational arm of the Poor People's Economic Human Rights Campaign

http://www.universityofthepoor.org/about.html
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #115
141. Ok I emailed them, too.
Thanks! :thumbsup:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:16 PM
Response to Reply #141
143. They march on DC all the time...and it's poor people...and I mean PO
doing the marching.

Thank you, Bouncy Ball!!!!!
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #108
121. I wonder if anyone ever tried EITHER Clinton as in Bill or Hillary for
wasn't HEALTH CARE REFORM, one of Bill Clinton's key issues when he FIRST TOOK OFFICE??????????????????????????? Just an idea. :D
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #121
142. I went to get some coffee just now and was thinking of that.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #108
134. Congressional Black Caucus contact info
http://www.house.gov/cummings/cbc/cbchome.htm
http://www.congressionalblackcaucus.net/

Congressional Black Caucus
2236 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515-3312
phone: 202-226-9776
fax: 202-225-1512

Paul Brathwaite, Policy Director
Jewel James, Special Projects Director
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Valerie5555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #134
135. Just out of curiosity, I wondered if Cynthia McKinney (D- Bush Knew) is
back among them, for I'm sure she DID win reelection.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:11 PM
Response to Reply #135
139. Yes, she's a member
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #134
164. I can't find an email address anywhere on that second link.
I even went to Mel Watts' page and never could get to an email address.

I guess the phone is the only way. I'll have to try tomorrow.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #164
168. Barbara Lee's email is: (she's the whip for the CBC)
Barbara.Lee@mail.house.gov

Phone is probably best.


Let me know how I can help. You can put paypal on the new web page right? In case others want to donate to help people get to DC.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #168
175. Yes, we'll put a paypal link up for sure.
That way anyone who wants to sponsor an uninsured American to go to DC can.

I can't wait to get started on the website.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:53 PM
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128. Congresscritters have health care courtesy of the taxpayers
We pay for their health care insurance yet they won't allow "normal Americans" the same benefits and coverage? :wtf: How come rank and file repubs aren't up in arms over this issue? Why aren't they pissed that their leaders have health care insurance, but deny the same to their base and all Americans? I can't wrap my mind around this. 45 million uninsured Americans of which I am sure include working class repubs, but hey, at least gays can't marry :eyes: and God Bless America! :banghead: And isn't a fact that some of the outsourcing of jobs is due in part to the high cost of health care insurance, or so these greedy corporations claim?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #128
129. I hope this embarrasses the hell out of them
Access to health care has to be the number one priority.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #129
132. Exactly! They need to be shamed!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #129
140. It should be and here's why:
it affects ALL OF US. Even those of us with great health care.

We can either pay for national health care, or we can continue to pay for the effects of not having it in bigger financial and human costs.

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:19 PM
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147. There is much the repukes have to be embarrassed about.
It's high time past due for the party of "I got mine, screw you" to go the way of the dinosaurs. These working class repukes need to realize that their party leaders have NEVER done anything in their best interests! I read somewhere that Poppy bush was taught that working class Americans were to be held in great disdain! Contrast that with what Joe Kennedy taught his brood, something along the lines of, born of wealth and privilege requires that you have an obligation to give back to those less fortunate.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:12 AM
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206. There was a dem. who tried to tie their healthcare to the VA
He was ticked because the VA funding was cut and so introduced legislation to tie congress' health care level to the VA. Of course nothing came of it :mad:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:17 AM
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209. Do you happen to know who that was?
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:44 AM
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223. sorry my mind is blanking on his name
I seem to remember it was about a year ago I read a few articles on this. I am sorry my memory is so sucky right now :(
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 08:58 PM
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130. Diseases, conditions....
Autism Society, American Cancer Society, MS organizations, American Diabetes Association...

I may have to stop for the night, but I'll keep digging for links and
working my noggin for ideas. :)
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:02 PM
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133. There are 1.2 million listing for "patient advocacy groups"
Each major disease has one or two national, plus state and regional.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Patient+advocacy+groups&btnG=Google+Search
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:10 PM
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137. You've done so much, Lars
I am bookmarking this thread so I can find it again tomorrow, but I am going to spend another two hours or so emailing.

Tomorrow I'll check my email, check this thread again, post any updates or new ideas.

Thanks so much, you are a gem.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:17 PM
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144. Get this to the "Physician's Proposal" Group ASAP!
http://www.physiciansproposal.org/

Demonstrating that physicans are in favor of single-payer HC lends much credibility.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:19 PM
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148. Ok will do.
I'm also thinking that during business hours, I also need to CALL some of these organizations and talk to someone instead of just sending emails.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:21 PM
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151. "PP" is pretty small, so that's a great idea. nt
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:23 PM
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153. Wait, I just realized that's PNHP, I've already emailed them tonight.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:19 PM
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145. I'll do some Web work or logo design
The time is definitely right for this. It is an outrage that our own tax dollars are diverted to killing Iraqis while we suffer or die because we cannot get insurance.

I don't have insurance. At my work, everytime I get close to being able to qualify for it, they raise the bar.

I hope we can work in the word "uninsured" somewhere in the subtitle for this march. I think it's important to identify exactly what it's about.

Also, while I think it is definitely a good idea to have thousands upon thousands marching on DC, I also think we should cover every single representative and senator's office with regional protests and actions. Every single one of them.

While I think a mass march is effective, I don't have the energy anymore to go to them. I've done one too many.

BTW, if you have questions about organizing large marches, ask me because I've helped organized a couple of them.


Cher
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:22 PM
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152. Thank you for posting.
And for volunteering the web info. I am clueless at that!

Also, I totally agree with you on your points about having the word uninsured in a subtitle (I was just thinking that) AND about hitting every single elected official's office on the state and national level. We could coordinate it----if you can't go to DC the weekend of September 15, then you can call, email or fax your state and national representatives to urge them to take action for the 45 million Americans who are without health insurance.

VERY good points. Thank you again. And I just might be PMing you for help on the web stuff, LOL! And pointers on big marches, this is completely new to me.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:37 PM
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161. You might also want to chat with Kip Humphrey who organized the
51 Capital March. I know it was new for him, too, but we had protests in more than 30 capitals, and did it in less than two weeks' time. I'm sure he'd have some great insights.

The people who organized the Million Mom March (still active) in 2000 would be another resource to tap for guidance.

What I found working with Kip and with MoveOn recently on the filibuster rallies is that you can work effectively with a team of people in each state to serve as lead contacts and grassroots organizers, preferably with different areas of expertise (for example coordinator/logistics and communications). DUers are behind this and I'm sure you will find people here from each state who are willing to help organize.

This is great!

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:19 PM
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146. "No Free Lunch" is another medical group that might be interested.
http://www.nofreelunch.org/news.htm

Doctors, nurses, and pharmacists disgusted with the excesses of big pharma--and I mean DISGUSTED.
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:19 PM
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149. Contact the DC Indemedia people...
http://dc.indymedia.org/

They have a long history of working with people who organize protests. I'm sure they have a list of locals who can help and they'll be interested because they are currently holding a fundraiser for Damu Smith (founder of Black Voices for Peace and executive director of the National Black Environmental Justice Network) he was diagnosed with colon cancer.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:27 PM
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155. Just emailed them, thank you!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:24 PM
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154. American Medical Student Association--they are pretty activist, too.
http://www.amsa.org/

I know of these orgs. from working during the stem-cell hearings.

I'm kind of in a tenuous time position right now, but will do what I can!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:29 PM
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158. Just keep checking in for threads on this.
We are tentatively calling it the March for American Lives (and then a subtitle clarifying that it is by and for the uninsured) and it is tentatively scheduled for the weekend of September 17, which is a Saturday.

I will email the American Medical Student Association right now.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #158
159. BTW, if we can get congressional hearings about this, or if you need
a speaker, I've got a damn sad tale to tell, and it's absolutely true.

And I WAS insured...
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #159
165. Ok thanks.
There are too many of them, aren't there? (Sad tales, that is.)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:35 PM
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160. Did I miss Center for American Progress?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #160
162. Ha! No you didn't.
Damn, I knew there were some obvious ones we were missing.

Going to email now.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:48 PM
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163. This is such a great idea Bouncy
I'm not sure exactly what I'll do for this, but I will do something.
I know several people who'd go to DC I'm sure.

Our lack of an equitable universal health care system is undermining this country in countless, countless ways. It affects everybody in one way or another. It pits people against each other. It destroys lives. It is time for Congress to address this.

I like the idea of people also lobbying and marching in their own localities at the same time as a DC march. Many people can't get to DC but would like to do something locally.

:applause: for this idea!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:52 PM
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166. Yes, for those who can't go to DC
they would be encouraged to contact their state and national representatives that week and possibly stage their own protests in their state capitols.

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 09:53 PM
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167. Bouncy, this is a splendid idea.
I love it.

I just wonder how the hell all those working people are going to get time off and how they can afford a trip to DC. I know I can't just take time off like that on such short notice AND afford to take a trip anywhere...the time off is money lost in the future.

Is it possible to get some sort of Greyhound-like bus tour to pick people up from around the country at selected stops? Like, say, a bus (or many buses) that can pick up people from the south that stops in Atlanta, New Orleans, Birmingham, Jacksonville, Asheville, etc....one that takes people from the upper midwest, stopping in Chicago, Minneapolis, Fargo, Detroit, etc....One to take care of the midwest, the Mid-Atlantic region, the west coast, etc.? Is there some company that would be willing to sponsor such a venture?

George Soros....you reading this?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #167
171. I'm looking into bus rentals now
getting cost estimates

Many companies go all over...but a direct route with inbetween stops would be best....meaning several buses.

I'm willing to donate $$ to help out. But others would have to be willing as well. A sponsor would be wonderful (if Soros is reading)

:)
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:12 PM
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172. Yup...you'd probably need lots of buses. Maybe forty.
Then comes "issuing the call" to organize all those people in the surrounding areas of those cities. Somehow, those in rural areas and suburbs have to be able to get to the nearest big city to get on the bus.


If give enough warning to people, we might be able to get enough people to carpool to the various bus stops without major logistic hassles.

When, do you think, would be the best time for this to happen, Solly Mack? Labor Day?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #172
182. Saturday, September 17.
Upthread we talked about why that day.

Labor Day too many people with other plans.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #172
183. September has been put forth already. Guess the final date
depends on all the feedback coming to Bouncy from other groups. Though I think Sept. sounds good.


It will cost between $500 and $3000 a day for buses. Based on miles per day...
http://www.busbank.com/busCosts.cfm?afid=A1CC9713-B458-46F4-80CD-AFEB60EAD48A

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:30 PM
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184. Yikes.
Hmmm. Glad we have until September!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:37 PM
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188. I'm thinking people can hold bake sales locally...or something
to help get buses. Maybe we can find a generous sponsor.

People can ride together. Maybe even take trains/buses.

And we can get others to donate to help sponsor a person.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:14 PM
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195. hmmmm.....
Remember the MoveOn virtual garage sale they had last year? I'm not sure how they programmed it, but it was a fun way to raise money. I donated a lot of stuff to it, and there was lots of terrific stuff to browse through. Maybe we could do something similar this summer.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:21 PM
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179. LOL, exactly. Anyone got George Soros' email address?
I know.

Even for myself, I have insurance, I have a full-time job and I'm not really hurting money-wise, but just taking off for DC isn't exactly something I can easily do. With enough notice, I can pull it off. (September is probably enough notice.)

BUT, we are thinking of local organizing in which people caravan, pick people up in other cities along the way, charter buses (like you said), etc.

Also, someone upthread had the great idea that, for those who cannot go to DC, there should be marches on EVERY state capitol that day and people should contact their state and national representatives the day before (since Friday is a working day and Saturday is not).

We can also sponsor people to go. We've already had a few offers of that on this thread, I know many more would.

Now, where is Soros' email address?

(After all, how did they do it in 1968? They set up "Hooverville" tent cities in DC that June for the Poor People's Campaign. I think--I need to do more research--a lot of people sponsored the poor to go.)



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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #179
187. http://www.georgesoros.com/
Edited on Sun May-08-05 10:39 PM by Solly Mack
Wouldn't his email then be georgesoros@georgesoros.com? Maybe? Worth a try? lol

on edit

This link:

http://www.soros.org/
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #187
191. I emailed to that address, we'll see if it works!
I was very nice. :D

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:44 PM
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192. LOL! Try this link too http://www.soros.org/
I added it on edit to my above post.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:02 PM
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170. Contacted
Edited on Sun May-08-05 10:07 PM by Bouncy Ball
the AFL-CIO, the National Medical Association, and FamiliesUSA just now.

Add to that the National Council of La Raza. Add the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #170
173. How about some Radio talk show hosts?
Malloy, Schultz, etc?

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:23 PM
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181. Very good, going on my list. Thank you!
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #170
178. Contact Children's Orgs.
All children should be insured and many fall between the cracks.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #178
210. I agree, I will be doing that.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:20 PM
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177. This is a fantastic idea
It could be the start of a campaign '06 issue, force the pols to come up with some solutions that work.


Contact Soujourner's too.

www.sojo.net
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:22 PM
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180. Good idea.
Edited on Sun May-08-05 10:22 PM by Bouncy Ball
Yeah, why not force both parties to talk about this? Especially the republicans. Who NEVER talk about it.

:grr:

Edited to add: I want more than talk. I want action.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:35 PM
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186. This will put the repukes on the
defensive which is where they need to be!

When this is a little more organized we have to get this out to DFA and moveon too. Bring it up at meetups.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:33 PM
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185. I wonder...
If MoveOn would be interested?
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #185
189. They were actually the first ones I thought of, then I got
onto organizations which were more specialized as far as focusing on health coverage, etc.

Think I should email them?
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:40 PM
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190. Yes, let them know
what is going on. They got the resources and can at least let members know about it. Even if all they did was email their immense list as something members should know about it would get the word out.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 10:56 PM
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193. wondering if organizations such as the Spina Bifida Association
Edited on Sun May-08-05 11:06 PM by cosmicdot
and similar would participate?

Medical Insurance is so important.

DC is headquarters for so many Associations

National Spina Bifida Association of America
4590 MacArthur Blvd., NW, Suite 250
Washington, DC 20007-4226

Email:
General Inquiries: sbaa@sbaa.org

Phone:
(800) 621-3141or (202) 944-3285

Website: http://www.sbaa.org

SB Links (to other organizations)
http://www.sbaa.org/site/PageServer?pagename=sbaa_links

Interesting that SB is forming or has a congressional caucus ... which might draw in Republicans ... by guilt if nothing else ...

From SB's website's front page:

"Has your Representative signed on to the Congressional Spina Bifida Caucus? Find out! Send an email to urge your Member of Congress to join with the 37 others who have pledged bipartisan support to improve the lives of people with spina bifida."

which links to this page w/more info http://www.sbaa.org/site/PageServer?pagename=advocacy_caucus

"On May 15, 2003, Congressman Chris Smith (R-New Jersey), along with his colleague and SBA champion Congressman Bart Stupak (D-Michigan), announced the formation of the Spina Bifida Caucus by sending a letter to all their colleagues, urging them to join this new and important effort."

Membership Roster (the Democrats might be a nice springboard for help ... Waxman, Doggett, et al)

1. Co-Chairman Chris Smith R-4th NJ
2. Co-Chairman Bart Stupak D-1st MI
3. Rep. Luis Gutierrez D-4th IL
4. Rep. Charles Pickering R-3rd MS
5. Rep. Michael McNulty D-21st NY
6. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy D-4th NY
7. Rep. Henry Waxman D-30th CA
8. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen R-18th FL
9. Rep. Curt Weldon R-7th PA
10. Rep. Jo Ann Davis R-1st VA
11. Del. Donna M. Christian-Christensen D-VI
12. Rep. Dave Weldon R-15th FL
13. Rep. Donald Payne D-10th NJ
14. Rep. Vic Snyder D-2nd AR
15. Rep. Lloyd Doggett D-25th TX
16. Rep. Chris Van Hollen D-8th MD
17. Rep. Cliff Stearns R-6th FL
18. Rep. Mike McIntyre D-7th NC
19. Rep. Fortney ‘Pete’ Stark D-13th CA
20. Rep. Robert Menendez D-13th NJ
21. Rep. Thaddeus McCotter R-11th MI
22. Rep. Shelley Berkely D-1st NV
23. Rep. Marsha Blackburn R-7th TN
24. Rep. Raúl Grijalva D-7th AZ
25. Rep. Brad Miller D-13th NC
26. Rep. Steve LaTourette R-14th OH
27. Rep. Fred Upton R-6th MI
28. Rep. James R. Langevin D-2nd RI
29. Rep. Tammy Baldwin D-2nd WI
30. Rep. Tom Lantos D-12th CA
31. Rep. Jerry F. Costello D-12th IL
32. Rep. Anna Eshoo D-14th CA
33. Rep. Sherrod Brown D-13th OH
34. Rep. Bob Goodlatte R-6th VA
35. Rep. Dan Burton R-5th IN
36. Rep. James P. Moran D-8th VA
37. Rep. James T. Walsh R-25th NY


I believe SB is an excellent networking organization down to the local level. The website has an 'Action Alert' function.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
other thoughts

the Human Rights Campaign
Human Rights Campaign
1640 Rhode Island Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20036-3278

Phone
Front Desk: 202/628-4160
TTY: 202/216-1572
Toll-Free: 800/777-4723


Email: hrc@hrc.org
Website: http://www.hrc.org
might be helpful w/organizational suggestions if nothing else ... they
have experience with these things, i.e. marches

NAACP*
http://www.naacp.org
http://www.naacp.org/departments/health/health_index.html

* Kweisi Mfume is running for Senate representing Maryland ...
http://mfumeforsenate.com/home.htm

Working for Change/Working Assets
http://www.workingforchange.com/
http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/index.cfm

Workplace Fairness
http://www.workplacefairness.org/

Jim Hightower might be a big help.
http://www.jimhightower.com/

Jim Hightower
Hightower & Associates
1802 W. 6th Street
Austin, TX 78703
512-477-5588
info@jimhightower.com


1997: from Chapter 1, "CorporateWorld!-They Get the Gold Mine, We Get the Shaft", There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos Jim Hightower wrote:

"Less than a decade ago...your medical needs from birth to death rested in the hands of a doctor, whom you chose. Quicker than a hog eats supper...America's health-care system--including your personal doc--has been swallowed damn-near whole by a handful of national corporate mutants called HMOs...

"When did we vote on this? Did I miss the national referendum in which we decided that remote corporate executives with an army of bean counters would displace my hand-picked doctor, and would decide which (if any) hospital I can enter, how long I can stay, what specialists I can consult, and what (if anything) these medical professionals are allowed to tell me about my own medical needs? I
know Congress did not authorize this fundamental shift to health maintenance organizations (a phrase...that sounds as warming and welcoming as a lube and body shop). To the contrary, Congress in 1994...trashed the Clinton health-care reform legislation on the grounds that it would do the exact thing being done to us now: limit the choice of doctors and put the bean counters in charge.

"...ads...flapped their arms wildly to scare us about the old bugaboo, "socialized" medicine, but while we were looking over there, they blindsided us with something even harsher: corporatized medicine, a brave new world in which the Hippocratic Oath has been displaced by the bottom-line ethos of HMO profiteers like Robert Scott. A mergers and acquisition lawyer who never cared for a patient in his life, Scott headed the $20-billion-a-year Columbia/HCA corporation until July 1997. A far-flung HMO (*the Frist family), Columbia/HCA demanded that its local hospital executives return a 20 percent profit to headquarters, or else. How did they meet Scott's demand? By cutting back on services, on employees, and ultimately on us patients.

One place Scott did not cut back, however, was on his own paycheck. In 1995, he took a 43 percent salary hike, which meant he drew a million bucks from the till. A month."


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think it was leading up to the protest activity in NYC for the GOP Convention that I thought an 'Unemployment Brigade' might have been a nice touch and appropriate ...

... this is in the same vein; and, I endorse it whole-heartedly.

This can be HUGE! It could the common denominator/catalyst to pull many different groups together.

Even people with (some) insurance experience the inequities of the current system. It's just a mess. Eveyone has a story to tell.






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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:57 PM
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202. GREAT compilation.
I'll be using it tomorrow to make some more contacts.

I'm going to be getting on the phone as well.

Yeah, there are people WITH health insurance that is so expensive and crappy, it is of no use to them.

And health insurance that is too expensive to use is no health insurance at ALL.

Those people aren't even counted in the 45 million figure.

Thanks for your post!
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:01 PM
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319. The Citizen/Congressional Hearing on the Health Crisis: 5/14/2005
googling today, and found this link and website ... sorry if its a dupe



So far, these are the scheduled hearings:
April 2nd, St. Louis
May 14th, New York City at Riverside Church 10-5:00
May, 21st: Aliquippa, PA (near Pittsburgh)
May 30th: Wells, VT (Wells Village School)
June 1st, Rochester, NY
June 13th, Birmingham, AL
June 28th, Boston, MA at Fanuel Hall
August, Sacramento, CA
September, Fresno, CA
September, Chicago, IL
September (late), Long Island, NY
September or October, Alamosa, CO,
September or October, Selma, AL
October, Buffalo, NY

The Campaign for a National Health Program NOW (cnhpNOW)
http://www.cnhpnow.org/riverside.html


http://www.cnhpnow.org/

Expanded & Improved Medicare For All Bill
to be introduced by Cong. John Conyers, 108th Congress

The United States National Health Insurance Act (HR676) establishes a new American national health insurance program by creating a single payer health care system. The bill would create a publicly financed, privately delivered health care program that uses the already existing Medicare program by expanding and improving it to all U.S. residents, and all residents living in U.S. territories. The goal of the legislation is to ensure that all Americans, guaranteed by law, will have access to the highest quality and cost effective health care services regardless of one's employment, income, or health care status.

http://www.cnhpnow.org/hr676.html

For a pdf version of the bill, click here
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #202
321. Kucinich's Insight & Action website
http://www.kucinich.us/issues/universalhealth.php

Universal Health Care

"I have a detailed plan to provide universal health care.

~snip~

"We're already paying for universal coverage. We're just not getting it.

~snip~

My plan is called Enhanced Medicare for All -- a universal, single-payer system of national health insurance, carefully phased in over 10 years.

~snip~

This plan is based on a bill I introduced together with Congressman John Conyers of Michigan, H.R. 676.

~snip~
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:12 PM
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194. Southern Poverty Law Center??
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:31 PM
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197. Maybe we should work up a draft
that describes the event, with a tentative date. That way, we could all email it out.

ALSO, we need a logo. I'm sure one of the many talented artists here would make one. We need to sell TShirts (cafe?) prior to the event.

I have a local list and would take it to my local Dems meetings. I'm sure many of us could stir up some support this way too and organize transportation on a local level. I have a SUV I would be glad to drive 6 others. (Yes, I know, it's a SUV...)

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:52 PM
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201. That's exactly the way we need to do it.
We'll work up an email draft in the next couple of days. Another DUer and I are working on getting the website up (we already have the domain).

I think someone offered to design a logo--they are in this thread somewhere (things are starting to blur for me now, LOL!).

The way you describe publicizing it is how it will really work--very local, grassroots, spreading the word, organizing caravans and buses, picking up people along the way, etc.

The tentative date is Saturday, September 15, 2005. It was arrived at a bit higher up in this thread, and the reaasons are there, too.

T-shirt sales could do to sponsoring people who need help getting out to DC.

Also, we need to find out about any possible permits, etc, but I figure one or two of the large organizations I've already contacted that are based in DC will know that--no need to go re-inventing the wheel.

Anyway, my brain is fried. Going to get back on this on my break tomorrow. Thanks!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:36 PM
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198. I need to sleep. I'll check back in on the morrow.
Thank you, Bouncy!!!!! Wonderful idea!!!!

Let's do this, everyone!!!!!! For ALL the Andy's in America! For ourselves!!!!



PM me the link, please, once the site is up.

Good Night All!!!!





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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 11:48 PM
Response to Reply #198
200. Will do, Solly
and I will post an update thread as soon as I can.

I am still emailing.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:04 AM
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203. What of a simultaneous march on state capitols for those lacking $ for DC?
Edited on Mon May-09-05 12:14 AM by Shallah
I know this would be a mess to coordinate but it would make a march easier for those who can't miss work long enough to go to DC or could not otherwise afford a trip to DC. Either way this would be a great way to impress our elected officials with the fact that people are worried and outraged about more issues than Janet Jackson's breast!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:06 AM
Response to Reply #203
204. Yep, that's been mentioned in this now-ginormous thread.
It's a great idea, and I think we will push for that. For all those who can't get to DC, march on your capitol!

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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:08 AM
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205. This is a great Idea!
I'll post a link in the Wisconsin Forum...

RL
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:16 AM
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207. Thanks so much!
And for the rest of the thread, I just sent an email to moveon.org. Hopefully I'll hear from them. If not, I'll call them! LOL.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:16 AM
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214. I lived in DC during that time.
I was so young and immature. I didn't even realize what the hell was going on. My roomies and I used to take the bus to work adjacent to the Reflecting Pond and we were just stunned. So many people, washing clothes in the pond, tents, eating etc.

I was so immature that ALL I cared about was what party we were going to on Saturday.

Yeah, very young...very stupid...very naive...
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:18 AM
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215. but what if somebody gets hurt?
45 million is A LOT of people, and crowds can be dangerous.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #215
224. 45 million people are NOT going to show up.
I'd be shocked if 1 million did.

Half a million would be freaking amazing.

Besides, that's why you get permits.

And have some organization. First aid stations, etc.

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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #224
225. i just hope any injuries aren't serious-
what with none of them having insurance, and all...:bounce:
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:15 AM
Response to Reply #225
227. Oh so it was a joke?
You're being funny and all?

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wovenpaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #224
252. I wouldn't be shocked at 1 million
I was shocked-and thrilled!- to be in the middle of 1 million+ at the March for Womens Lives in April 2004. There were alot of families and supportive men there as well.
If that could bring in sooooooo many-why wouldn't bringing the issue of affordable healthcare for citizens to a march on Washington be just as impressive?!
Anyway, you've got at least 3 coming from this post-I'll be there-with family!
:hi: This is a great idea! but you knew that.....:D
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:18 AM
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216. Need ride for my husband and I in Tampa. I am in (scooter needy)...nt
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:43 AM
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222. I'm in!
We need to make ourselves visable and audible.
Let do it!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:18 AM
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228. kick
... for those of us in need.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:22 AM
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229. As your first nominator....
I am in. I am amazed and heartened at the response!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:44 AM
Response to Reply #229
268. Thank you!
I am, too. I'm amazed there aren't more negative "why bother?" comments.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:11 AM
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230. Hey, now THIS is a great idea!!
So many people have nothing, or like myself, have an 'emergency' plan (which is crap for preventative care)... I think this could be a great rallying point for so many Americans, a wonderful platform for the next election in 06!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 05:41 AM
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231. Nothing could keep me away from Washington if there was a march
for health care. If it happens though, it's got to be a massive demonstration . . . at least a million people. It must be covered by MSM and unless we have Terry Schiavo and the "Runaway Bride" as featured speakers, it will take a miracle to get their attention. After what was done for Andy on this web site, I think we can accomplish anything!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #231
270. I know, I had already thought
about the MSM ignoring it.

I mean, they really COULDN'T ignore it even if there were half a million there. More than 50,000 or so and they'd have to pay attention to it, but I can just see them doing a little five second blurb then going back to the latest escapist fare they call news.

BUT, I don't care. I can't think that way. This has to be done, one way or another. It's urgent.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:20 AM
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232. Kick
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:11 AM
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233. We need this now, more than ever. Health care is being cut everywhere
Edited on Mon May-09-05 07:15 AM by katinmn
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/09/national/09medicaid.html?th&emc=th

Our job is to demand a solution. It's up to the Congress and administration to listen to us and the health care experts and create the solution. Congress has fed the greed of the insurance companies and the pharmas long enough.

No more quibbling and blaming citizens for the high costs of health care.

They can and must replace the jumbled morass of wasteful, bureaucratic and politicized medical programs with a transparent and equitable system.

edit: fix link

By ROBERT PEAR
Published: May 9, 2005
WASHINGTON, May 8 - Governors and state legislators have devised proposals for sweeping changes in Medicaid to curb its rapid growth and save billions of dollars.

Under the proposals, some beneficiaries would have to pay more for care, and states would have more latitude to limit the scope of services.

The proposals, drafted by separate working groups of governors and state legislators, provide guidance to Congress, which 10 days ago endorsed a budget blueprint that would cut projected Medicaid spending by $10 billion over the next five years.

Many of the proposals resemble ideas advanced by President Bush as part of his 2006 budget. In some cases, the governors embrace Mr. Bush's proposals but go further. At the same time, they also reject some of the president's recommendations that they believe would shift costs to the states.

-more-
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Lady Effingbroke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 07:52 AM
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234. GREAT idea, Bouncy Ball!
I'm in! Time to start scraping together pennies and nickels for the trip to Washington! *Marks calendar for September 17*.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:06 AM
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239. My husband said "You guys need Ani DiFranco"
So, here's her link. She's very socially conscious...and she might just help in some way.
Main site:
http://www.righteousbabe.com/

contact info:
http://www.righteousbabe.com/contact/index.asp

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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #239
285. Indigo Girls and Over the Rhine
They are very socially conscious as well.

www.overtherhine.com
www.indigogirls.com
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #285
287. Believe me, I'm noting everything in this thread
and in most cases, I am sending emails and in some cases, I am calling, where I can find a number and if I think I can be more effective on the phone.

I just didn't want anyone to think I was ignoring any suggestions, I'm not.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #287
293. Nope. We're just throwing out stuff here, there and everywhere!
We know that you're getting it all (well, hopefully all!) down. :)
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:34 AM
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241. Children's Miracle Network?
They're pretty specialized but they have organizations across the US AND Canada!

Here's their contact info:

<http://www.cmn.org/contact.php>
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:41 AM
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245. I'm ready...give me a date!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 09:49 AM
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247. get the permits NOW
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #245
249. Pencil in September 17 as a tentative date
according to upthread
:)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #249
334. Pencilled!
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:08 AM
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250. Can I suggest "Health Care for All" March?
Or anything that has health care in the title.
That way, if MSM does report on the march/movement our goal is in the title.
Also, "Americans for Life" could be misconstrued as anti-choice.
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:18 AM
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251. well...
The tentative march name isn't Americans for Life - that would be misconstrued - but March for American Lives. I like that because it emphasises that our very lives are at stake due to the crisis in heath care.

I agree that we do need a subtitle of sorts to indicate that this march is centered around health care, and I think that's going to be addressed in the next few days. Maybe the full name of the march can be publicised as "March For American Lives: Health Care For All". That incorporates your idea well, plus gives a sense of urgency to the crisis.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #251
253. That's what happens when I try thinking without my coffee!
:silly: I like the expanded version. :)
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #251
254. more taglines (thinking outloud)
March For American Lives: Equality in health care
March For American Lives: Support our right for health care
March For American Lives: One Nation, Under Insurance :-)
March For American Lives: It's time for universal health care
March For American Lives: Give us healthcare!
March For American Lives: Share the health
March For American Lives: Address the health care crisis now
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #251
258. Is someone working on a logo?
Edited on Mon May-09-05 11:02 AM by ultraist
March for American Lives
Healthcare for All!

I'm ready to order some tshirts!

edit to add: I also like: Equality in Healthcare

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #251
269. That's a VERY good idea, DemBeans.
I like it. It flows nicely, too. I was trying to find a way to work "uninsured" or "health care" into a sub-title.

And since 18,000 Americans die each year from easily treatable illnesses because they don't have health insurance, this literally is a march for lives.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #251
318. It should be run by
our message people. Lakoff, Carville, Dean, the unions. Then lets work through what they keep.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:52 AM
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255. Well there is someone who's already pushing hard on the healthcare issue
He has the backing of many of the major Unions, Healthcare Orgs and Small Business Groups. The coalition he has put together for his current push on the healthcare issue represents more than 17 million Americans. He's recently been calling on American's to get LOUDER. Getting his support would be very very helpful. It is shameful that working parents can't afford healthcare for their Kids, that's why Kerry would be perfect for this.

Another consideration for all of this, is that to organize something like this you might need a professional, someone who has organized large marches and rallies in the past. It takes a lot of money to organize these things, permits, setting up deals with local hotels for accomodations, etc. Either you would need to set up some sort of PAC or Non Profit Org, to channel funds through for this or find a PAC or Non Profit Org who is willing to do the money handling.

It's a wonderful idea. PDA is also pushing healthcare and this might be something they are interested in, plus they already have someone they work with who's very experienced in organizing this sort of thing.

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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #255
259. I like Bouncy's idea of networking grassrooters to set this up
I'm hesitant about Kerry because it would turn the rally into a support effort for his Kids health care bill.

I highly doubt he'd give this the time of day anyway.

I like the idea of networking grassroots groups together to do the organizing. Each group or committees could take a piece of this. For instance, one group could be responsible for setting up lodging. Another committee could be set up to handle the logo, tshirts, signs, etc.

I'd certainly be willing to join a committee and work on this as well as take it to my local Dem community to increase support and work on transportation on a local level.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:22 AM
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262. I think you are wrong on a few levels
Kerry sees Healthcare for a ALL as a BIG issue. he chose to highlight Kids First because it makes a huge statement if the Repubs don't do this.

It would not turn the rally into a support effort effort for Kids First, Kerry as a speaker, one of many, would add further credibility, plus Kids First is already supported by many large NonProfits, so his participation would lend a lot of credibility. Healthcare for all was part of his campaign platform. He is currently the only national politician pushing for a major healthcare proposal and he has garnered a lot of support for Kids First.

I highly doubt that he would not give this is all, actually.

Even doing this on the grassroots level there are somethings that professionals are helpful with. They know how to do the leg work and the right people to contact to make these things happen.

PDA, FYI, is a GrassRoots org and they are growing quickly. Will Pitt would be the one who can verify that. It would also be helpful to have celebrities involved. I brought up PDA and the fact that they work with someone who has years of experience setting up this type of thing, because I know the person they work with has contact with many celebrities and activists who are always willing to lend their presence to this sort of event.

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #262
271. what does PDA stand for?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #271
274. Progressive Democrats of America
http://www.pdamerica.org/

Several states have close alliances.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #274
277. Here's the link to thier policy page
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:16 PM
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279. Will Pitt and kevin__pda are PDA staff !
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #279
282. Yes they are.
That's why I said, any questions about PDA, ask Will Pitt.

The founder worker for both Kucinich's campaign and Kerry's campaign after the convention.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #279
289. I PMed Will, gave him the link to this thread
asked him what he thought. We'll see what he says.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #289
305. I'll talk to my friend who works with PDA
he's the person I mentioned that has years of experience organizing this sort of stuff. He's good friends with the founder of PDA. I think this would be something they would get involved with.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #305
307. That would be fantastic, thank you very much.
:toast:

:hi:

I'll PM you with my email address.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #262
275. I agree on Kerry. He will fight for health care tooth and nail.
In fact, he's already on it.

This march is the kind of thing he has been encouraging us to.

True, there are some (like the media) who would try to politicize his involvement.

PDA and all the state progressive groups wouls be likely organizations to help drive.

I have a link for an organization that exists to handle money for progressive non-profits. I believe they work with the Raindow Coalition. Need to locate it.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #275
276. Yes Kerry has been encouraging us to do this...
That is why it is perfect to get him involved. Let the meida politicize his involvement - it's gets the March publicity for one thing.

PDA is has local State groups and they are a growing National Org. I brought up PDA, because I know they have sponsored some events recently and this right up their alley. Bring them in and they have a person working with them, who has been organizing rallies, marches and concerts for years. They are also sponsoring Kids First and Healthcare is on their agenda.

This is a progressive issue and it's an issue that is so important it would be defeatist to discount anyone who is already involved in pushing this issue.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #259
288. Kerry does want healthcare for all but is choosing his battles
By calling on health care for kids, he is forcing the repubs into a corner: If they vote against it, they are voting against children. Who wants to be known as someone who votes against the interests of children?

He would give this the time of day if it's organized which it seems to be.

Grassroots is also important. We need BOTH: high-profile speakers and grassroots organizers.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #288
290. I agree arnheim, both grassroots and high-profile.
That's the best.

I PMed Will Pitt to see what he thinks, gave him the link to this thread.

Sounds like Kerry has a good strategy, what is its status in Congress right now?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:51 PM
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294. I'm not sure. I can check and see if I can find a bill number
He is stumping for this throughout the country now, trying to gain support.

My kids are uninsured. It's terrifying. We lie awake at night if the Littlest Arnheim has a cough and pray that it doesn't get worse. He has a history of respiratory problems and has even been hospitalized for it.

He's only 3, dammit, but he just soliders on and makes the best of it but he's had a chronic cough since he was about 5 months old! That's most of his life!

I'm sorry. I have to go and cry now.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #294
299. Oh geez.
And here's our situation: we HAVE health care, but it's for catastrophic illness only, so we can't even afford to use it. Doctor's visits are covered under the deductible, not the co-pay, so a visit is FULL PRICE until we hit the $3K or $5K deductible (can't remember which it is) PER PERSON per year.

The last time I took my daughter to the doctor for a sinus infection, the total was $168. And we pay per month to have this "coverage!"

It's crazy!

I'm so sorry hon. My daughter has had respiratory problems since birth, too and it's hell.

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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #299
303. It is. I hate the way our government treats us like scum
It is crazy. We pay for everything out of pocket because we don't have health insurance. It's the worst.

I'm going to pray so hard for you and all of the other families out there!

Bouncy Ball 2006!
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:39 PM
Response to Reply #303
304. Heh.
DEMS in 2006!

:hi:

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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #294
306. Kids Come First Act (S.114)
I'm a self-employed only parent with a teenager and no healthcare for either of us. I worry about this everyday.

Kerry participation will be a good thing.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:33 PM
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313. I agree. There are many groups who support it
I'm looking now and trying to get them so I can send them to Bouncy.

I think that this would be right up Kerry's alley. Now, there will be those who say, "Kerry is only doing this because he's running for President" but I'll just ignore those folks. ;)
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #306
325. Wow, that's my situation exactly, kerrygoddess
Self employed, single, one teenager, and no health insurance.

I was able to carry my dental and life insurance from my last job, but no health. The dental and life I can swing at $67/month.

Right now I have a screwed up knee which I suspect needs surgery. I'm dreading going to the doctor.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #325
337. Sucks don't it! N/T
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:53 AM
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256. Uhh, Bouncy Ball.
Could you start another thread with the pertinent information about dates and buses included and a link to this thread? We, who are on dial-up, won't be able to open this thread much longer because it's getting too big.

:loveya:
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #256
260. I think she's at work today ---
I'll see if I can incorporate some of the information and start a new thread. It's great to see this one getting so long!
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:56 AM
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257. Try to get a million a day and stay for a week
It would be alot harder for the press to ignore that, down play the numbers, or make any "counter-protests" look anywhere near as significant. Call on Congress to convene an emergency session to insure everyone over the weekend like they held an emergency session for Terry Schiavo.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #257
273. That's my dream, strawman.
We have to do this one step at a time, but believe me, that would be a dream come true.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #273
314. It can be a week of action that leads up to it
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #257
297. That's the ticket
More than a march - an occupation!

a couple thousand willing to occupy the mall in tents would make a big statement.

You would have to get the resources together to feed these people and provide for emergency medical services.

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #297
300. See, that's what I would REALLY like to do.
Because a plain old march just isn't going to grab as much attention.

The idea of coordinating an "occupation" of sorts overwhelms me, though.

I hope this can turn into that. For the people who have no health insurance. For the 18,000 a year who die of treatable illnesses. That's just ridiculous that that even happens, you know?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 12:33 PM
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281. I put this way upthread
Not sure if anyone saw it, but my idea for a name.

S*H*A*M*E

Securing Healthcare for Americans is a Medical Emergency


You could call it the "March for SHAME"

Sorry for the duplicate post.
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:15 PM
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284. We Need a New War on Poverty, Continuing
I have been hoping that somebody would "re-start" and get us back to the effort of the Poor People's March, or something similar, for many years. The greatest advances for poor and middle-class people--as a matter of fact, the only advances--were the Roosevelt New Deal '30s and the Johnson War on Poverty/Great Society '60s, and the Labor Dept. protected unions during both eras. When Dr. King died as the Poor People's Campaign was still being organized, and that great leader was lost, having found the great new cause of the end of the '60s, poverty itself, it was as great and tragic a loss as when Lincoln was suddenly gone after the Civil War, and Reconstruction then went as horribly wrong as it could have, and you realize how precarious a situation like this is, and how it needs actually saintly people to lead it. How different the world of the poor might have been by this time if some of the true greats of this era were around to run things. There might have been real improvement by now. Instead we get Bush...pushing us BACK.

So much progress was made during these two eras because we didn't have these Democratic "consultants" giving us "framing," and telling us which issues will sell--and always being wrong, of course. If they had stressed the economy a little bit, at all, single women would have voted for Kerry and the whole world would have been different. "Framing" is for people who don't know what they think, and only too happy to be told. The only real progress the world ever makes, is when the people themselves act. Suddenly, you find a kind of "change" in the air, something new is happening, and now the problems of people--that have been there all along--are now starting to meet up with the powerful tides of history, and now it seems possible to achieve.

I believe the Poor People's March was funded by donations to the SCLC, Dr. King's organization; one of the best-run groups, with Rev. Ralph Abernathy, Andrew Young, and others running it. It all started to go wrong when Dr. King was murdered, so the great leader was gone, then Robert Kennedy was murdered, so a great friend of the poor was gone, and then the weather turned really bad and it rained all the time, ruining events, and finally the Congress ignored the protesters and did not respond, and there was no Dr. King there to think up what to do next. Tragic--and just like today! How different the Democratic Party was then, too. No phony, trivial non-issues--"gay marriage" when there are already civil unions and people do not have food, shelter, jobs, clothes, medical care, education, or hope of any of it, in this country. They attack you and censor you for referring to it, though. Compare that to the great Robert Kennedy, running for President, 1968, speaking about poverty and programs needed for the poor, to a group of medical students. Kennedy was asked the first question the devil always asks--"Who's going to pay for it?"--and answered, "You are."

People have been mentioning many different groups that might logically participate, and there are good suggestions, but I wonder if it might just be ignored again, no matter how large. Remember, that bizarrely-named "March for Women's Lives," despite that title, attracted over a million and a half people, the largest march ever on Washington, and was buried by the male corporate media the next day and from then on. I also don't know if this group of people could ever afford to get away for such a thing--everything would have to be paid for. I don't know, though, what other kind of protest of huge numbers there is.

Democrats will never win again, though, until they get rid of the phony, non-issues they "try to connect to people with, according to framing," and instead turn to face the real enemy--the criminal capitalist and the Republican Party--and finally, finally, fight the real battle that needs to be fought, and help people! A country full of unemployed, underemployed, uninsured, outsourced, deregulated/killed-industry, disabled, poor and middle-class people, ...and the Democrats are hiring consultants to try to help them find what the important issues to people are. God help us.

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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #284
286. You are right about the SCLC
I've been reading about this topic for years.

"I believe the Poor People's March was funded by donations to the SCLC, Dr. King's organization; one of the best-run groups, with Rev. Ralph Abernathy, Andrew Young, and others running it. It all started to go wrong when Dr. King was murdered, so the great leader was gone, then Robert Kennedy was murdered, so a great friend of the poor was gone, and then the weather turned really bad and it rained all the time, ruining events, and finally the Congress ignored the protesters and did not respond.."

After King was assassinated, donations and help started back up, peopple wanted to really make the Poor People's March happen. So it did, in June of 1968.

Health care is just the tip of the iceberg, but it's a great big tip and if we can get some action on this issue, some REAL RESULTS (how many years has this been talked about? Congress HAS the power to ACT on this issue...), then who knows what's next?

I refuse to just roll over and die. I can't live with myself thinking I didn't do everything I could to try to change things, DESPITE the people who are currently running things.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:45 PM
Response to Reply #286
292. That's why the march itself shouldn't be the most important part
of this effort. It'll be nice, but the networking, coalitions, grassroots organizing and teaching, will be the most important aspect and result of planning this.

Because without it, we can't turn around and do it all over, quickly if need be, again and again, growing the movement, until all of us get health care.

My words are clumsy, but I hope you get the gist of them. :)
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #292
301. Oh yes, I do.
In fact, I'm thinking one of the most important parts of this (if not the most important) will be someone or someones (LOL) meeting with Congress and urging them to turn away from the powerful grip of the insurance lobbies and get Americans some health care!

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:42 PM
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291. bttft
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #291
302. bttft?
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 01:54 PM
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295. The irony of it all
The irony of it all is that Bush and his demon masters focus on Social Security which will not be in trouble for several decades. Meanwhile, the health insurance--or lack thereof--for tens of millions of Americans is a real concern. The problem with vet care and Medicare could be solved by universal health care coverage, but then the fat cats in the insurance and other medical related fields would not see the gross profits that they now have as a gift from those in Washington in power.

Kerry's solution of $1000 tax break was a joke and showed a real lack of understanding of the insurance problems that face millions of Americans--even those who are insured but whose family insurance premiums are more per month than their house mortgage!

Who will be the voice of the average American. Who will represent the problems of real Americans in Washington?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #295
312. You're so right about Kerry.
I supported him wholeheartedly, but he didn't have a clue. A $1,000 tax break is meaningless when it comes to health care. Now I'm annoyed that his entire focus is on health care for kids. Of course, every kid needs health insurance, but what about adults? Brain tumors, diabetes, staph infections, broken legs, etc. don't discriminate.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #312
315. Yes but would you want to be the senator who votes against the kids?
Seriously, if you are a Senator and Kerry's healthcare for kids bill comes up, do you want to vote no? Do you want to be the senator who votes against giving children healthcare?

So, once the bill passes and someone says, "Well, we've done this for the kids - why not all Americans?" - is there going to be a bit MORE support than before?

I don't have healthcare but if my kids could have it right now and I still couldn't, you better believe that I'd be snapping that up. I wouldn't say, "NO! I don't want my kids to be insured unless Mr. Arnheim and I can be too!" Screw that.

I want healthcare for us all but mostly for my kids. They are dependent on me and I have failed them. Best believe that I wouldn't turn down the coverage that Kerry's bill will offer my kids.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #312
326. I went to Kerry's town hall forum here last week. It's Kids First
then he's going after coverage for all Americans. I think it's a can't lose strategy.

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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 10:59 PM
Response to Reply #312
336. Ummm ... Kerry had a huge Healthcare Plan
I guess you missed the memo, or just never bothered to READ it on his website. It was there for months.

The tax break was just one part of the whole plan.

You're also missing the point about why Kerry is pushing Kids First.

Instead of trashing the one Politician who is actually trying to push through a healthcare plan and who currently has the support of healthcare org's and unions that will want to be involved in Bouncy Balls MARCH, suck it up and be helpful instead of posting uninformed biased crap!

Okay!
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:21 PM
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309. Lets do it.
We can pull it off and we can make it huge. We can assign state chairs through DU. Then those people can work on organizing their state. The head organizers can work on national promotion while the state chairs work on local groups. It can be done and it should be done.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 03:54 PM
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317. Organizers required to buy insurance....
for the march...

:::sigh:::
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #317
320. Where did you read that?
Do you have a link?
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #317
327. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
how ironic
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:27 PM
Response to Reply #317
332. Why is it necessary to buy insurance for a march that would be....
...protesting the fact that so many Americans are UNINSURED?

Please provide a link for your comment.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 04:38 PM
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322. "The Million Forgotten March"
:toast: I'm there!
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:18 PM
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331. Kicking the uninsured
is what bush does...

Kicking this thread is what I do...

:kick:

RL
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 06:33 PM
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333. Link to 'March for American Lives - thread two'
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-05 08:42 PM
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335. Kick for BB
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Celeborn Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 01:53 PM
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338. Kick!
Great idea, Bouncy Ball.:dem: :kick:
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ihaveaquestion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 02:04 PM
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339. This is a great idea! Kick!
:kick:
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 02:07 PM
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340. KICK!! again
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