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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:21 PM
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Anybody else see Bush denigrating FDR for domestic reasons?
Bush's thinly veiled shot at FDR for Yalta yesterday is designed to undermine support for the Father of Social Security. That's my take, anyway, these squirmy dogs never speak without advancing an agenda. Man, I only wish FDR or HST, whatever their faults, were here to take on this madness. That includes LBJ; and yes, I am old enough (53) to know his incredible faults. But, if you think he or the others are worse than this worst president in American history, make your case. At least, those guys were for the average American, and they were tough, unapologetic bastards for liberal programs. We could use their backbones. Damn, I am tired of getting kicked in the teeth, for standing for simple justice.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:24 PM
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1. The closet Fascist in this country have hated FDR for years now
They want this country to be like Franco's Spain.
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:26 PM
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2. I see it-- he's trying to tie the horrible pragmatism the world had to
face to the social programs that made this country the best in the world, same thing people did to Humphrey and McGovern when they ran, only they did it with Vietnam.

Basically, trying to make the equation "good liberal social programs = bad foreign policy."
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:29 PM
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3. One step forward
two back. It's kind of hard to see society making progress when a man like Junior is acceptable as our leader.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:52 PM
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4. the people who take the greatest offence
with his statements are/were our parents who in some way contributed to the war effort. it`s another step in bush`s generational warfare.by pitting the most vocal group against his "reform",those over 65 ,against their grand children, he hopes to delude enough young adults that haven`t a clue about ww2 to side with him in his grand rip off of our generation. most of the children of today are not taught enough history to understand anything ,many haven`t a clue about what he is talking about nor do they care. sad but true,he or his writers understand this,so far there isn`t one democrat to challenge him on this rewriting of history. the old have no place in bush`s vision of the future...and we my friend will feel the effects of his delusion when we,if ever, retire
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:54 PM
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5. Of course
He tried to use FDR before but one of his grandson's (if not both) were really upset about this and they told him to stop it so now he's doing it again. Bush is the most stubborn sob I've ever seen.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 04:55 PM
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6. He wants to discredit FDR and overturn his programs
Thereby becoming the man who brought America back to "American Values". It also feeds his meglomania that he thinks he can do it.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:11 PM
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7. Bush's College Prof remembers him hating FDR, New Deal, SEC, FTC
and all the reforms that prevented those born to wealth and privilege from crushing and exploiting everyone else.

Hail to the Robber Baron
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=506836

excerpt:

Thirty years ago, President Bush was my student at Harvard Business School. In my class, he called former president Franklin D. Roosevelt, Class of 1904, a “socialist” and spoke against Social Security, unemployment insurance, the Securities and Exchange Commission, and other New Deal innovations. He refused to understand that capitalism becomes corrupt without democratic civic values and ethical restraints.

In those days, Bush belonged to a minority of MBA students who were seriously disconnected from taking the moral and social responsibility for their actions. Today, he would fit in comfortably with an overwhelming majority of business students and teachers whose role models are celebrated captains of piracy. Since the 1980s, as neo-conservatives have captured the Republican Party, America’s business education has also increasingly become contaminated by the robber baron culture of the pre-Great Depression era.

Bush is the first president of the United States with a Master’s of Business Administration (MBA). Yet, he epitomizes the worst aspects of America’s business education. To privatize Social Security, he is peddling a colossal lie about its solvency. Furthermore, Bush, along with today’s business aristocrats, shows no compassion for working Americans, robbing them to benefit big business and the very rich. Last year, due to Bush’s tax cuts, over 80 of America’s most profitable 200 corporations did not pay even a penny of their federal and state income taxes. Meanwhile, to pay for his additional tax cuts for the very rich, Bush is drastically cutting back several social services, such as federal lunch programs for poor children.

Business education has also produced former Enron CEO Jeff Skilling and other MBAs behind the malfeasances of Tyco, HealthSouth, Haliburton, AIG, and WorldCom. Many executives of corporate America who hold MBAs have also been engaged in the unethical acts of raiding their corporate treasuries at the expense of employees and stockholders. Emulating President Bush’s hubris, a multitude of CEOs in corporate America give themselves obscenely large bonuses that have little to do with their performance. In 1980, the CEOs of Fortune 500 large corporations received, on average, 70 times larger annual compensations than their average employees. Under the Bush Administration, comparable CEOs have come to give themselves 600 to 1,000 times larger annual compensations than their rank-and-file employees whose pay has stagnated. To pay for such self-dealt compensations, corporate aristocrats layoff their workers, cut ordinary employees’ health benefits, and outsource jobs abroad. Under the Bush Administration, over five million Americans have lost their health benefits, and the U.S. has lost over 2.7 million quality manufacturing jobs. President Bush and his rapacious “captains of piracy” of corporate America are destroying America’s democracy built up since Roosevelt’s New Deal era.

full article at above link
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:14 PM
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11. The Plot to Overthrow FDR that Gen Butler blew whistle on is little known
A book by Jules Archer "The Plot to Seize The White House" and the movie "The Plot to Overthrow FDR"
www.ihffilm.com/r547.html

show that Bush's relatives were part of the 7 Days in May styled plot that, thank God, USMC Gen. Smedley D. Butler exposed and pre-empted. The fascists seem to have succeeded nowadays though.

Butler was 2Xs awarded the CMOH and along with his buddies in the Bonus Army of 1932 eventually were responsible for both getting FDR elected but also for the post WWII GI Bill.

We owe it to Butler to get this story out. Maybe Hollywood could do the honors when they decide that Bush propaganda isn't panning out !
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:56 PM
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16. Great article, exactly what many of us suspected about Bush.
Think about it. Bush was raised in a genuine fascist household, in a family that believes that their ill-gotten wealth from war profits makes them superior to everyone else, particularly the poor.

George W. Bush is a genuine sociopath. Zip, nada, nothing for a conscience.

I would not be surprised if he has tally marks on the wall by his bed to keep count of all the poor American soldiers that have died in Iraq so that his family and their elitist fascist friends could get richer on war profits.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:12 PM
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8. Shrub wants to be the Anti-FDR.
I know it's killing him inside that he can't run for two more terms.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:22 PM
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9. He was criticising the post-War treatment of the Baltics, wasn't he?
Well, Georgie boy, Russia had millions of men and machines in central Europe at the time and nothing was stopping Stalin rolling all the way to the Atlantic - so shut up. FDR prevented World War Three.
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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:36 PM
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12. You hit the nail on the head.
However, though what you said may be truth, the point of FDR's memory is that he brought America back to a sense of commonality and community. Bush, excuse me, the Republican leaders, is attempting to return the country to its strong individualistic ways.

As an archaeologist, I know from the multitude of sources that I have read that this country started off in a very Medieval mindset when it was incepted. Money mattered little, only the ability to survive. As time went on, the American public became more independant and then during the revolution back to that sense of community, then against there was another reign of individualism.

Remember, at all times there was an earth shattering event that brought the American public back together: the Revolution, Civil War, Depression, and Vietnam. However, in those times, we had a generation of good men and women to bring the country back together. Yet now, do we have that? I wonder if our good men and women are voiceless now.

As to Bush being the Anti-FDR, over the last summer, the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette published an article in its voices section that echoed that sentiment. I will find the link to that article and find it.

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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:48 PM
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14. I believe Jefferson dreamed of an almost-moneyless Republic
where cash meant as little as used matchsticks in a game of cards; not a society of plenty, or of poverty, or of inflation, but one of community and commonwealth as a route to survival. The "rugged individualism of the Frontier" is probably a myth in all but a few cases - America was built on community and cooperation.

But FDR certainly tried to recapture that sense of community, and to instil a sense of preparing for a collective future, not just looking out for yourself.

As for the good men and women emerging when they're needed - they're there. Cometh the hour ...
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 05:48 PM
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10. Revenge
For Grampa Prescott being busted for dealing with the Nazis.
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:45 PM
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13. This asshole couldn't even fulfill his contract with the ANG
yet he has the audacity to attack FDR. He needs to attack FDR to get his little Social Security privatization accomplished. Those that did not live during these times can easily be suckered into accepting the lies that Georgie and Company are attempting to pass off.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 07:22 PM
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17. It's the newest BS line
Edited on Sun May-08-05 07:29 PM by SalmonChantedEvening
From Rove, Robertson, Mehlman, the Freepers and on down the chain.

FDR = Social Securtiy = Socialism = Murka Hater

FDR = Iron Curtain his fault = Spread of Communism = Murka Hater


Am I wrong or weren't most of the concessions that Stalin got a result of Potsdam? Someone help me here if I am mistaken, but wasn't Stalin able to push Atlee & Truman further can he could push FDR and Churchill?


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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-05 06:48 PM
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15. May FDR, whereever he is, arrange for bush to receive
a special delivery of Rold Golds just for him.

:grr:
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