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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 10:55 AM
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So how many VETS did Bush just insult?
Edited on Sat May-07-05 10:58 AM by DoYouEverWonder
Bush: U.S. Had Hand in European Divisions

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"Once again, when powerful governments negotiated, the freedom of small nations was somehow expendable," the president said, opening a four-nation trip to mark the 60th anniversary of Nazi Germany's defeat. "Yet this attempt to sacrifice freedom for the sake of stability left a continent divided and unstable."

"We will not repeat the mistakes of other generations — appeasing or excusing tyranny, and sacrificing freedom in the vain pursuit of stability."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=544&e=2&u=/ap/bush



Bush has truly gone off the deep end. The man is a friggin' raving lunatic. I can not believe that any citizen, no less the President of the United States of America, would make statements like this during a major speech in a foreign country.

BUSH IS A TRAITOR

He has betrayed the USA and every person who has ever served this country. It is time for him to resign in disgrace because he is a disgrace to our once great country.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:07 AM
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1. I agree.
This stinks to high heaven of Karen Hughes. She was brought in to help Condiwho needed help conquering the world through public relations.

Nice job.:sarcasm:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:08 AM
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2. This is coming out of the mouth
of a guy who went AWOL. Way to go George.

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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:12 AM
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3. do tell
I'd love to hear Bush give a little more detail about the "freedom" we've allowed the small nation of Iraq to have. Let's see, occupation, the murder of civilians, plunder and looting, basic services for the citizens destroyed, rampant unemployment and explosions on the half hour.

The Europeans must just be shaking their heads at the brazen sophistry of this clown.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:49 PM
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18. Please don't insult clowns
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jedr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:12 AM
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4. Did you really think that this trip would be anything less than;
a train wreck! My son just returned from Europe where fox news doesn't spin the facts....they hate Bush and don't trust a thing he says. Sooner or later they will need to protect their own interests and our allies will be gone....thank's G.W. , you're a hell of a man.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:13 AM
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5. Hopefully Senator Kerry and Senator McCain
and General Clark will rise to the bait and "defend" their mistakes.

This veteran is insulted by the mere thought of the person in the white house who DESERTED HIS MILITARY UNIT TO AVOID A DRUG TEST.

60 years ago today Germany surrendered, Japan would soon follow. Awesome fucking mistakes.

But the trick is to fellate the base, to get them all riled up, to keep them from looking behind the curtain.
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:33 AM
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6. Such a Warmonger
Indeed, for a fellow who skipped out of fighting in Vietnam, this low-life sure loves war.

His statements in this speech mean either that a war weary United States should have continued WWII by immediately pushing the Red Army back into Russia by force; or that sometime in the 1950s the U.S. should have declared war on the U.S.S.R. and invaded eastern Europe ... probably using nuclear weapons.

If you needed anymore evidence that Bush is a warmonger, here it is.

And, I would also agree that this speech is a real insult to WWII vets ... the so-called "Greatest Generation". To say that Roosevelt and Truman and Marshall and millions of soldiers and sailors just back from Europe and the Pacific excused tyranny is ... well, actually, it is crazy.

"We will not repeat the mistakes of other generations — appeasing or excusing tyranny, and sacrificing freedom in the vain pursuit of stability." What?

In the context of 1945 through the early 50s .. that is lunacy. Perhaps Harry Reid could call for Bush to take a mental examination ... but then Harry would call up Rove and apologize for saying that ... We just can't win.
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Paul Dlugokencky Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:39 AM
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7. Tough Talk from a Tenderfoot
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:40 PM
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14. Right: Bush thinks the right choice was to declare war on the USSR
So we can see the paralells with Iraq.

If Bush would rather see millions dead than allow a communist system to exist for fifty more years, then why quibble over a hundred thousand dead to get Saddam out of power a year or two earlier?

No more containment. No more wary cold war. No cost is too great to remove Stalin or Saddam, even the lives of the very people we are trying to rescue.

Bush, calling down the cleansing fire upon the Earth.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:42 PM
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16. Again,
I, like most people, do not know what he means. :wtf: -"appeasing or excusing tyranny, and sacrificing freedom in the vain pursuit of stability." :banghead:
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Lab2112 Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:56 AM
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8. Appeasing Tyranny
"We will not repeat the mistakes of other generations — appeasing or excusing tyranny, and sacrificing freedom in the vain pursuit of stability."

I guess this means that the Pentagon is now drawing up plans to invade Saudi Arabia, where tyranny reigns and freedom is sacrificed daily.



Oh yeah, almost forgot about that. Never mind.

LAB

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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:41 PM
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15. Still okay to appease for oil. nt
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 11:58 AM
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9. The "vain pursuit of stability"?????
Edited on Sat May-07-05 11:59 AM by stopbush
The mind reels. Freedom=utter chaos. Stability=Evil!!!

It's even more disgusting when you realize that for * such an utterance is simply a throwaway line that he neither believes nor understands. I'm sure he followed that ridiculous statement with his trademark pyschopathic giggle.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:08 PM
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12. Freedom means US rule over the world.
That is what he means.

His argument is that stability in a multilateral world is a pipe dream therefore the US must control the world to garuntee our freedom.

Hes a psycho.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:06 PM
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10. He's right
It's time to stop appeasing tyranny and that begins at home.

And that's to the majority of house democrats that obviously isn't interested in learning more about how Bush lied and deceived their nation into war.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:07 PM
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11. I think he just declared war on the entire world.
No wonder our military budget has to match the rest of the world combined.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:11 PM
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27. Whoa! If he just declared war on the entire world...
Then holy sh*t! :scared:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:35 PM
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13. Bullshit.
Chimp doesn't talk like that.

TRANSLATION: Grunt, smirk, "Freedom."
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 12:44 PM
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17. It's funny...
He snips and snaps about other democracies while he crumples ours. What a POS.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:09 PM
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19. BULLSHIT GONE WILD is whot it is....Shallow Bush is at it again
trying to look/sound Presidential but having the opposite effect. Only the Deluded/Ignorant suck for his ramblings.... and besides, its in code to his supporters....."I am a tough guy..fighting for YOUR Freedom".... He is SO Lame.....
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:13 PM
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20. Reverse spin!
Edited on Sat May-07-05 01:15 PM by onager
That craven liberal commie-sucker Dwight Eisenhower lost Eastern Europe!

Consider the FACTS, my friends...(as right-wingers love to say):

1. Eisenhower could have "saved" East Germany in June 1953, when labor unrest in Berlin morphed into outright rebellion against the local Communist apparatchiks. At one point, Honecker and the other Party bosses barricaded themselves in their Berlin headquarters with weapons.

So why didn't that coward Ike order American troops to cross into East Berlin and help? Hmmm. HMMMMM!?! It's not like Russia would have jumped in or anything.

(I'm trying to stay in character as a right-wing moron...)

2. Ike had an even better chance in 1956, when Hungary rose up in outright revolution against Communism.

I mean, it would have been so SIMPLE! All we had to do was transport our 10 NATO divisions halfway across Europe, while they battled with 100 Warsaw Pact divisions!

Jeez! That Ike sure loved Commies!

(As I posted elsewhere, $hrub's speech is revisionist BS of the lowest grade. Only someone who knows nothing about history would belch up these greasy platitudes...and I don't know all that much about history myself. Strictly an amateur historian, I am.)

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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:50 PM
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28. 3. commie lover JFK didn't attack when Soviets put up Berlin Wall 8-61
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:51 PM
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29. 4,. JFK also failed to use nukes vs Soviets in Cuban Missle Crisis
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:53 PM
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30. # 28 and 29 ARE SARCASTIC......reflect far RW mind set
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:16 PM
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21. Is he actually admonishing the Generation (WWII) that saved the
WORLD??? This little a.w.o.l. bastard?????
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:46 PM
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24. Basically.
Accusing those chicken shit bastards of selling out the Latvians for a pussy's "stability", f/k/a letting the planet survive.

Bush, calling down the cleansing fire that will scorch this troubled earth.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:20 PM
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22. "We will not repeat the mistakes of other generations"
:rofl:

The dude has absolutely no sense of irony!
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 02:55 PM
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31. Nope! We'll just make NEW ones!
;)
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:40 PM
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23. Bush should have stuck to the end of the war and not messed
with the aftermath. I heard him quacking on the BBC this AM and barfed.

Really, what an absolute ASSHOLE. I'm waiting for Putin to slam him by mentioning Iraq. And I can't wait to see him on 60 Minutes tomorrow....
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:50 PM
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25. Bush insulted me in 2000!
When he wouldn't let my vote be counted!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 01:53 PM
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26. This WWII crap... Rove is getting desperate.
:)

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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:08 PM
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32. This is a slap at FDR
Edited on Sat May-07-05 03:10 PM by charlyvi
and the Yalta Conference. If memory serves, FDR, Stalin, and Churchill met at Yalta and agreed to allow the Soviet Union control over what later became the communist Easter European states. Chimp is digging at FDR again, implying that he sold Eastern Europe into communism.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:15 PM
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33. or perhaps
if the Nazi war machine his granddaddy helped finance had been successful, Europe would have been less "divided".

:eyes:
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rightfoot Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:31 PM
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34. I'm a vet and he insulted me.
He insults me every time I see some kid just died in his little political war.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 04:19 PM
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37. I wonder what the Swift Boat Vets are going to say
when they hear these statements?

BTW: Welcome to DU :hi:

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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 05:41 PM
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40. Hi rightfoot!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:32 PM
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35. Didn't Bush's Granddaddy profit from doing "bidness" with the Reich?
But that's not appeasement or excusing tyranny, just "good bidness."

This guy will say anything to push his agenda. The Europeans haven't forgotten their history since the battlefields were on their soil. As are the graves of millions who fought to topple his granddaddy's business partner.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 03:34 PM
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36. No worries..the fucking
fascist press will clean up his remarks for 'murikens comsumption!

Can't have the American public knowing bush is as dumb as a sack of rocks.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 04:41 PM
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38. Oh Jeezus. He's trying to justify his attack of Iraq ...
using WWII analogies. What a truly deceitful and dishonorable thing to do.

I have one question for Bush: Which side in WWII would you associate with this statement:

"Attacking a mostly defenseless sovereign nation without justification and with international condemnation."

Does he really dare to compare the relative power of Iraq and Nazi Germany? That is simply absurd. Germany had the most modern military war machine in the industrialized world, before the A-bomb. Iraq barely had a few battalions, willing to fight, to slow down the roadmarch to Baghdad,when we had nukes and they didn't. Were we afraid Iraq was going to attack us???? Hahahahahaha!! That's why the corporate cabal had to INVENT the "WMDs."

Bush launched a war for corporate profits and should be held accountable.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 04:42 PM
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39. Why would he take a jab at his dad like that?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-05 06:25 PM
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41. I bet Poppy will be out
in a couple of days to make the standard excuses to the press, that Georgie really didn't mean it.

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