marijuana is NOT the same as crack or heroin or meth

[mopaul]

how long will they continue to tell this lie? fucking stupid.

[H2O Man]

1. As long as

"they" can make more money on marijuna being illegal.

[MrScorpio]

2. Murray is full of bullshit

I don't even smoke dope and I can figure this out

[mopaul]

4. I fucking hate narcs

and i really hate anti drug talking heads.

[orpupilofnature57]

41. I call them the,criminal division of the D.E.A. ,which 80% are Singers.

[blogbear]

3. 'They' can't separate fact and fiction (with anything)..

[rodeodance]

23. his whole message was to instill fear (terrible risks)--like Cheney and

the rest of the white house cabal.

[blogbear]

43. I agree..

[arcos]

5. No, but marijuana will make you try ALL the other drugs...

You will become HOOKED on them and start robbing, raping and killing people just to get your fix. Don't you know that 150% of meth and cocaine users have smoked AT LEAST ONE JOINT in their life?!?!

If you don't stop smoking pot your brain will rot and larvae will grow.

[MariaS]

6. I hate these lying government bastards

Hemp is what they are really afraid of because everyone knows that hemp, which is a gift from God, could help to cure the ails of the world in it's millions of uses. We are and were told that MJ is the gateway drug. Well when we try MJ for the first time we see that what they have told us is a lie. You're not going to go out and kill someone or beat your wife or rob a gas station so if the government lied about the effects of pot then why wouldn't they believe that they lied about the effects of the other drugs like cocaine and heroin. We have Hearst, Annisberger, and Du Pont to thank for the demonization of POT. The mix of MEDIA, Government, & Corporation in our lives is not a new occurance. Our governments pot propaganda is one of the biggest crimes perpetuated against us as a nation and because of the US policy against Pot it has effected the policies of the world. It is a damn shame.

[SHRED]

13. You are spot on

see my links in my signature below

[seemslikeadream]

7. You are correct mopaul

and I have no idea how long they will continue to lie.

[rodeodance]

8. I have been trying to find comments about this David Murry -here is one.

He sure comes across as very dogmatic know it all.



http://www.soapboxgirls.com/soapbox/mtarchive/2003_05.html

May 02, 2003....

The White House’s reaction to Chrétien’s proposed decriminalizing of marijuana gets my panties in a twist. Not surprisingly, they are reacting by threatening “consequences” for Canada should we pursue this path, citing rhetoric that looser drug laws go hand-in-hand with the total corruption of society. Those consequences would include, but surely not be limited to, tighter border crossings. As is de rigour for this administration, David Murry, the US policy official who released a statement on the topic, also made biblical references to the coming chaos that would surely follow suggesting that crime and drug-addiction among youth would come along with such a reform “like the Four Horseman.” Groan.May 02, 2003......

[rodeodance]

9. did you hear the last caller who questioned his credentials? Murry did

not give his specific degree and rather ran around the issue.

[rodeodance]

10. also see this DU thread on David Murray

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3613157

[rodeodance]

12. David Murray has a website where he says the same things he said to-

day on C-span.

http://www.mpp.org/USA/news_626.html

[ET Awful]

14. LOL . .. from that website

the Baptist doctor says: "The people who are advocating it just want people to go out in their back yard and want them to grow plants and pick the leaves and smoke them. That doesn't seem to me to be a very healthy approach to medicine."

Somebody tell me what's wrong with this moronic statement.

[rodeodance]

24. green tea?

[Wright Patman]

29. Here's what's wrong with it

Big Pharma is entirely cut out of the process. Thus, there is no "value added" at each link in the chain of capitalism controlling our traditional allopathic medical-pharameutical complex.

This would cause job loss among pharmacists, pharmaceutical salesmen, insurance company paperwork processors. It would even lead to a reduction in income for medical doctors, who would not receive as many visits to their offices from people whose former chronic complaints had been alleviated by their "grow your own" self-help.

I think "sickness" care represents about 14 percent of the GDP. A marginal reduction in expenditures caused by :hippie: could plunge our economy into a recession or worse.

And, yes, I am being sarcastic here.

[ET Awful]

30. I was actually referring to the "pick the leaves" comment

You could pick all the "leaves" you like, and smoke 'em all day long and all you'd get is a smoke-filled house.

[Wright Patman]

32. Well, you can probably tell

it's been a long time since I've smoked any weed. :dunce:

[ET Awful]

35. Me too, a very long time

but there are a few things I remember that just make really ignorant statements like the "doctor" made stand out :).

[sweetheart]

39. Leaves are for brownies

and tea. Just boil the milk with the leaves. The cannabinoids won't
dissolve in water, but do just fine in milk and the butter used in
brownies. Mmmmmm... leaf brownies.

[mopaul]

11. i have an academic background, & was in academics & academia

former junkie i'm sure

[rodeodance]

15. Bill Bennet interviewed--there is a video here

http://www.bennettmornings.com/pg/jsp/charts/audioMaster.jsp;**?size=90&dispid=302

[SHRED]

16. Bennett

He gave war on drug speeches, in the 80's, while downing many a stiff cocktail and chain-smoking many cigarrettes.
He also gambled away 8 million dollars.
He is a rat bastard.

[mopaul]

17. he dated janis joplin

that in itself is enough to get you banned from republicania forever, but bill's a hippo krit

[rodeodance]

18. Murry tells the Senate this same crap (and they believe him)

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/2005/03/24.html

.....Well, what's the fun of being governor if you can't send storm troopers into homes to bust adults who are peacefully smoking a joint?

So now he's trying to get the legislature to declare marijuana to be very dangerous to attempt again to outlaw private possession.

Where to turn? Well if you want someone to lie about marijuana, the first place to go is the federal government -- specifically, the ONDCP. Check out this outrageous phoned in testimony:

Researcher David Murray of the White House's Office on National Drug Control Policy told a Senate committee that marijuana users develop serious cases of psychosis and other problems from inhaling doses of carcinogenic chemicals.

"This is a dirty, dirty drug," Murray said. He testified via phone at the request of Assistant Attorney General Dean Guaneli, who is spearheading the governor's bill.

Dirty?

[rodeodance]

19. time to tell C-span to have some opposition on the program-vs Murray

giving this hard line!!

[anarchy1999]

34. Lame, lame, lame answer to very valid question. What are your

credentials, sir?

[anarchy1999]

20. Murray was hysterically awful, wasn't he? And Pedro, he just keeps

getting grayer.

It was a sad segment.

Much better was Chalmers on C-Span2, it's being repeated this afternoon, don't miss it. It was a panel moderated by Bill Press, it included a print jounalist from Rolling Stone and San Fran paper (imbedded, Ivan and John), it included Chalmers and also two Marines. Sgt. Rudy Reyes (Ret.) was a very impressive, well articulated young man as was his counterpart.

[rodeodance]

21. Here--contact WaJour show at C-span.

http://c-span.org/
Washington Journal: Contact the Producers

[mopaul]

22. i saw chalmers too, he kicked ass and took names

crusty old fart just had truth oozing out of him. and that one hunk marine dude, man o man, he hates bush.

[anarchy1999]

33. He's awesome! He did kick ass and he took no names, I loved it when

Bill said don't hold back and laughed. It was a new side for me for Mr. Press. And the journalist from SanFran paper sitting next to him, "John", I thought for a minute they just might were ready to come to blows. Did John get dressed down or was it just my early morning imagination/fatigue?

It was a panel discussion no one should miss.

Rudy was exceptional as well. What a warrior, he has a mind and is concerned, it is nice to know someone like him is around.

on edit: Rudy believes in free speech and questioning our leaders as well as bringing back the draft.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

42. link to BookTV schedule....

lots of interesting stuff this weekend...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3608990

[gpandas]

25. i always wondered why,

another human being cares about what i do.

[rodeodance]

26. good grief, his website (above) takes contributions (for Fed. site)

[rodeodance]

27. Look what Murray says about compassion:

..Mr. MURRAY: I believe the real lack of compassion here is those whose political agenda for legalization is so strong that they are willing to use as hostages and as front people suffering patients in wheelchairs and holding them up as if that is the real reason. They want this drug available to themselves. That is my interpretation.

[calzone]

38. I would respond to him by asking

...if he agrees that following his line of reasoning, mainstream religion is a gateway drug to fundamentalism, which leads to stultifying banality and occasionally terrorism, and destroys important parts of the brain such as the areas that control compassion, tolerance and critical thinking. It' highly addictive and often takes over the entire lifestyle of it's victims, leaving them semi-catatonic and slavishly sedentary, sprawled helplessly in front of radios and TV's entranced by Benny Hinn and the 700 club. It results in countless cases of "Flanders syndrome" and drains the bank accounts and emotional cache of people from all demographics, and deadens the neuro-transmitters so important chemical messages within the brain are blocked. In advanced cases, when gone untreated, it leaves it's victims twitching and gesticulating in ambulatory seizures accompanied by outbursts of meaningless vocalizations and vertigo. I would ask him to condemn this insidious disease that's ripping asunder the fabric of our society and to introduce legislation that designates evangelical Christianity as a dangerous class 1 narcotic.

[K-W]

37. Because power is control over people

it is the business of anyone who wants to be powerful to care about what you do.

[goodboy]

28. crack is a waste of good cocaine, heroin is a waste of good opium, and

meth is a waste of good sudafed?

did I miss anything>?

[Hubert Flottz]

31. It might cause you to jum...err...oh hell, I forgot what I wanted to...

err...say again!!! Err...Oh Yeah...Might cause you to FLY OUT THE DANGED WINDOW! Like Fart Bedwetter's daughter did that tim...err...Or wuzz that Art Linkletter's daughter? Fart...err...Art's kids always did do the DARNEDEST shi...errr...thang...err...things!

The object of getting "Stoned" has always been, to escape reality, or so they say! People who think that Bush is doing a good job for America, have indeed totally escaped reality! The GOPers are either stoned or stupi...errrrr...stoned, or stupid, or bot...err...all of the above! I wish I could find me some of the shi...errr...stuff they been a-smokin, cause them boyz is way out yonder on cloud nine 24/7!

Maybe the Pubbies has been a-snortin...err...a-shootin' some of that thar Viagra stuf...err...dope, that Bob Dole was a-peddling on the TV! Cause the GOP is always a-tryin' to fu...Err...mess over everbod...err...OH HELL...SKIP IT!

[Telly Savalas]

36. It's a dangerous lie too.

Once kids figure out that they're being lied to about pot, they can easily make the disasterous jump that they're being lied to about meth, smack, or crack as well.

[jmatthan]

40. Listen to the interview of Martin Torgoff

who wrote "Can't Find My Way Home: America in the Great Stoned Age, 1945-2000" which is contained in the last Peter Werbe Night Call Show on the night of Sunday 1st May 2005.

You can listen to it (thanks to our great DU member Benburch) at

http://server2.whiterosesociety.org/content/werbe/WerbeShow-(01-05-2005).mp3

I think it is agreat interview right up till the very last question answered by Martin.

As a father who has and is suffering - I think reading this book is a must, even though I may not agree with some of the author's views.

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

[UdoKier]

44. Duh. It's in the same league with beer.

Although its effects vary from person to person.


I can't use it on a regular basis because it makes me forgetful and unmotivated.


It's been about 5 years since I've had a puff. But on the rare occasions I've had it, I thought it was nice. I know others who can have a toke several times a week and they function just fine. Unfortunately, I'd be in a fog. I wouldn't use it unless I had at least a week's vacation ahead of me so I could sharpen my mind back up again before returning to work.