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TioDiego Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:25 PM
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"I never thought Iraq was tied to Al Qaeda"
That is what my repug buddy just told me. And he used to tell me that they were. LOL! repugs! Can't live with 'em. Can't argue without 'em. Dang it.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:27 PM
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1. Moron
Tio, did you ask the moron why the war in Iraq is such a lynchpin of the war terra, then?
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TioDiego Donating Member (409 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:28 PM
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2. Actually all I could do was laugh.
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DIKB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:34 PM
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3. like trying to hold a slippery worm
their views change so quickly. I was once told by a Repuke that "I couldn't tell him Iraq didn't have terrorist ties." of course now that their Smirking Messiah has changed the message, they'll say differently, as though it had always been their stance. Time to buy tape recorders, hold them to what they say, THAT'LL PISS EM OFF.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:45 PM
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4. I had a repub coworker who got fired for coming to work stoned on heroin
(I'm not making this up! He used to be homeless too! An ex-homeless heroin addict republican!) who always used to go off on the unfair progressive taxation thing (yawn), and who was a vigorous supporter of the war in Iraq. After the fall of Baghdad, and after the lack of WMD's, and after it came out that the 16 words flap, and after hearing from me how the whole thing was a lie, and after it had been established that Iraq had no ties to terrorism, he still wouldn't let go of his backwards ideology. Quoth him: "What about the mass graves? Saddam was a madman who killed his own people. Even if they don't find WMD's, it'll still all be worth it." He got fired the next day, thank god. Stupid Neocon Junkie asshole.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:50 PM
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5. From the State of the Union speech:
With nuclear arms or a full arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, Saddam Hussein could resume his ambitions of conquest in the Middle East and create deadly havoc in that region. And this Congress and the America people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.

Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known. We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes.
(emphasis added)

Now, why would anyone's opinion of Saddam change after 9/11 unless they though he was involved in it?!?!

The sentence certainly implies he is (though, of course, without actually saying so).


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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 12:54 PM
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6. Collective psychosis
That is the only think that I can figure. It's really quite frightening the way that these people minds are so locked in on the latest talking points.
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:07 PM
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7. ah, doublethink....
I believe if Orwell was still alive today, he wouldn't get any sleep at night..
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:13 PM
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8. Comfortable sleep
As long as GW is in office I don't think it is safe or easy for any of us to sleep. Unless you can sleep with one eye open.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 01:34 PM
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9. It's all there in 1984
From the book
Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. The Party intellectual knows in which direction his memories must be altered; he therefore knows that he is playing tricks with reality; but by the exercise of doublethink he also satisfies himself that reality is not violated. The process has to be conscious, or it would not be carried out with sufficient precision, but it also has to be unconscious, or it would bring with it a feeling of falsity and hence of guilt.

To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies -- all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.


From an essay
Doublethink refers to resolving contradictions which (otherwise) cannot be resolved, by keeping at least two alternate versions of something in mind at once, remembering only the approved one in any circumstance. One does not experience cognitive dissonance unless one fails at proper doublethink, in which case raw discomfort, almost physical pain, may be experienced.

http://www.promethea.org/Misc_Compositions/Doublethink.html
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Resistance Is Futile Donating Member (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 02:18 PM
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10. I told you so
Lacking any intellectual capacity of their own, the supporters of the ruling party are little more than blank slates ready to be loaded with propaganda provided by headquarters. The new propaganda has now been fully integrated and the ruling party bots are prepared to do battle on a new front.

Any hopes that the ruling party's flip-flop on Iraqi support for al Qaida would lead to a great awakening of the unwashed sheeple have proven to be grossly in error.
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