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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:50 PM
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Poll question: What is GM's biggest problem?
Edited on Fri May-06-05 12:55 PM by TheFarseer
We ahve been hearing that their bonds are now junk rating and people have been wispering bankruptcy. What is the main culprit?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:51 PM
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1. If they were moving product, they wouldn't have cashflow problems! n/t
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:52 PM
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2. Keep pumping out gas guzzlers
and stymie all votes on the CAFE standards, repukes help the demise of GM, hahah

they outsmart themselves again.. stupid idiots
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:14 PM
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11. Andy Card came to Bush from GM
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:54 PM
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3. 20 years from now a buick will still look the same.
and a pontiac will look the same ect. ect.
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Chef Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:58 PM
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4. Time Machines
Getting into one of their cars is like stepping Back into the 80's or early 90's. They are just too big to adapt to the changing market. About the only model they make with any difference is Cadillac. The Saturn is a Cavalier without the plastic doors and they have just about killed Saab.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 03:03 PM
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17. I'm a Ford kinda guy but they are screwing up as fast as they can.
I agree that the finish work on GM cars doesn't seem to be as good as <pick a manufacturer, any manufacturer>. Little detail stuff like how the headliner fits and panel joints. The top end stuff seems OK--Cadillac, Corvette, and the big SUVs--but the volks mobiles just aren't up to standard IMO.

It's like Cadillac is a whole different manufacturer.
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flamin lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:59 PM
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5. Don't know about GM, but Ford screwed the pooch when
they hired the Brit as CEO. He discontinued all of the luxury sport sedans--Thunderbird, Cougar and Mark VIII and replaced them with front engine, front drive four doors.

If he had introduced a 4 door version of the T-bird platform Ford would own every police and government contract in the US. Performance driving requires front engine rear wheel drive. Ask NASCAR.

Instead he discontinued the three most popular luxury sedans on the market. Then he got fired.
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:01 PM
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6. Greed and short term thinking.
SUV's were the goose laying the golden egg profit wise and that was their focus. Upper management has made their money and will move on while new management will be left holding the bag.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:08 PM
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7. really bad upper management
which translates to the floor management and instead of mechanical engineering they build cars on cost engineering. health and pensions also drag down profits compared to furn` car makers. furn`rs do not pay for these benefits they are taxed for government coverage of their workers.
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TheFarseer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:08 PM
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8. a special thanks to the guy that voted A&B
No doubt the fact that they are producing cars like it's the 70's is playing a role, but the health plan and pension plan is hurting them too.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:20 PM
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12. Heatlh care costs are going to start hurting a lot of US companies
Other countries (Japan, Germany) with national health care are not struggling with excessive health care costs.
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:12 PM
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9. If they had been the first to make a quality hybrid,
they'd have made a mint. Hell, they could have been the premier hybrid maker in the US.
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wideopen Donating Member (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:13 PM
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10. b,d,f,g-
I think it's a combo of several of these things coupled w/quality issues. The foreign manufacturers are running circles around us in the quality/fuel economy dept.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:24 PM
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13. Didn't GM trash their electric vehicle program recently?
And I mean trash. They destroyed all of the cars and trucks in the program.

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Reverend_Smitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 01:31 PM
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14. The same thing that was wrong with them in the mid 70's...
They continued to make massive gas guzzlers at the same time the price of gas was rising to record highs, they refused to change the way they did business and the Japanese were laughing all the way to the bank.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 02:01 PM
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15. Short term thinking by management....
.... led them to gravitate almost exclusively to large cars and SUVs, and now, just like in 1973, they are caught with their pants down again.

It is really hard to feel sorry for these short-sighted bozos. Did they really think that gas would be cheap forever? With the kind of money they have, they should have seen this coming from years away.

As long as big company exec focus on a quarterly horizon, this crap is going to happen. It's really too bad, auto manufacturing is important to our economy.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 02:04 PM
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16. They actually believed that Big Engine, Bad Mileage and Emissions
Edited on Fri May-06-05 02:05 PM by Chicago Democrat
and big SUVs were the way to go. They borrowed WAY TOO MUCH MONEY. Their designs suck. All of the above.
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