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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:38 PM
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LABOUR WINS - Blairism dead in the water.
A healthily slashed majority. Parliamentary democracy restored - no more safe votes.

To everyone who said support Labour, but not Blair: We have won a great victory. We have won one of the great, understated victories of all time. A perfectly balanced electoral counterstrike against Blair's lies.

We have the right result.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:40 PM
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1. George Galloway just ripped Blair and Labour a new one
during his victory spech. He accused them of election fraud and said Labour should ask Blair resign in the morning.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:44 PM
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5. Yup. An unprecedented assault.
Edited on Thu May-05-05 10:45 PM by Taxloss
Tony Banks is being offensive about it right now. He says Oona was rejected because she was a woman - an astonishing lie and a racist, sexist slur on the East End.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:53 PM
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8. Galloway going off on bbc host now
bbc host asks him how he feels to have taken a black woman out of office, Galloway says "don't even ask me that or i'm leaving, there are plenty of people that want to talk to me tonight" bbc guy is still throwing stuff at him, accusing him of being a race baiter.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:07 PM
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18. Yes, that was Paxman.
Paxman is a famous BBC attack dog. I thought Galloway behaved disgracefully in that interview.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:22 PM
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27. Galloway's ego was astonishing in that interview n/t
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:41 PM
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2. Funny. The American press are yelling that Blair was reelected.
They really need a lesson in the parliamentary system. :eyes:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:43 PM
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3. Our media is about as bright about foreign affairs as Shrub
which isn't bright at all.
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expatriate Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:43 PM
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4. Most Americans have no idea how the British
parliamentary system works, and they think that people vote "for" Blair.

It really doesn't work the way the American Presidential election works.

But then, most Americans don't know how the electoral college works either, which is how the election fraud just goes on and on and on.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:57 PM
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9. With their elections
isn't it backwards from ours basically?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:57 PM
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10. I confessed my ignorance on the LB thread... Have hard enough time
here. LOL. I'm getting it though... Thanks for your post.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:51 PM
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6. Hmmm, Blair has Coalition Deficit Syndrome brought on
by carnal knowledge of a poisonous shrub without benefit of taking the warning advice of the British people... Good! :party:
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:53 PM
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7. Okay, I hate to ask this but
I need you to break this down for me. I am ignorant to UK politics and how this works. This is a great time for me to learn. I just heard Tony Blair's Labor party won, so how does this translate to him only receiving 66 seat:shrug:

I apologize for this question, but I am baffled by this process:)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:58 PM
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12. I don't want to know... just want poodle punished for war based on lies!
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:59 PM
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14. He presently has 337 seats and counting.
For a while it looked like he'd get a majority of 66 - now it looks more like 72.

The British parliamentary system works as though the only American election that mattered was the congressional elections, and certain congressmen would become president if their party won a simple majority at the poll. So you had little choice over who the presidential candidate was, and the result depended on swing districts
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:03 PM
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16. matcom made a plea on a post for help in understanding.
It was in GD earlier this evening and it contained some outstanding information complete with an explanation of ridings and by-elections and whatnot. Now, wish I'd bookmarked it. There was also an explanation of each party - and their colours on the CSPAN thread.
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Brian Morans Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:57 PM
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11. He should resign outside #10 tomorrow
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:05 PM
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17. Nice thought, isn't it?
Won't happen. Give it a few months, and it'll be for "health reasons" - he has a dicky ticker.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:19 PM
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26. I thought
he was going to be taken out around Christmas?
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 10:58 PM
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13. Another plea for explanation.
Why is this the "right result."

Sorry to be so ignorant.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:02 PM
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15. Because the only alternative is a Conservative government.
So we need a Labour government, but one with its parliamentary lead so badly damaged they will be unable to force through legislation - goodbye, ID cards - and we will be utterly unable of entering any more wars.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:09 PM
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20. So WILL this bring about Blair's resignation?
Still confused about how a vote for a Labour Party candidate could ever be a vote against Blair.
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:15 PM
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23.  The explanation I got in LBN was that the neo-libs
Edited on Thu May-05-05 11:17 PM by Pithy Cherub
who aligned with Blair were being voted out while the social democrats(?)-)they are also part of Labour constituency) who disagreed were being voted in. So Blair's base of support has severely eroded.

Don't know if Yes is appropriate
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:46 PM
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30. So that there are divisions in Labour?
Divisions we foreigners wouldn't have a clue about? Or are those separate parties?????
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Pithy Cherub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:13 AM
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31. Yep. Like yellow dog and blue dog dems.
They also use colours for designations for the parties and they have more in Britain. We Americans use animals...
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:16 PM
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24. Because of how parliamentary democracy works.
You don't vote for a party leader; you vote for a local representative. This election has seen people reject lickspittle Blairite locals and endorse rebels - Blair is going to have a rebellious partner. He may resign very quickly.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:14 PM
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22. There's always the Lib Dems.
Lib-Lab coalition in the future, perhaps?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:09 PM
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19. I'm glad you've got the result you wanted
That would be nice even here. A restoration of checks and balances.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:10 PM
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21. This is a good result n/t
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:17 PM
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25. Thanks A-S - I thought you'd agree.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:23 PM
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28. I'm drunk, and off to bed.
Goodnight all - this has been a wonderful evening for British democracy.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-05 11:32 PM
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29. Night
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-05 12:33 AM
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32. Cheers, Taxloss.
:toast:

Just wish that bugger was completely out.

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