Black Dems -- Dem Party does not want you

[mjb4]

it is obvious. Look at LA when the woman was losing until she reached out to blacks. And now in Miami none of the presidential candidates want to appear at the conference. Dems feel that you will VOTE REGARDLESS. I say follow Sharpton's lead, they did the same thin to him in NY and he allowed Green to lose. It is alright to allow Dems to lose and to not vote for them. They put you in a rock and a hard place. If they win without speaking a word to you in the election their response will be you were not on their agenda. They don't want your vote. They are tired of being labeled the party of the Negro.

[RememberJohn]

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[jonnyblitz]

2. from my readings..that was the whole point of the founding of the DLC

by southern white DEMS,to get the party out of the clutchs of the(AHEM) "special interest groups".

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[diplomats]

3. Of course Dems should not take any votes or voting bloc

for granted. But do you seriously want Bush to win another term??

[mjb4]

12. IF they don't want our vote

we shouldn't give it. They must show an interest and appreciation for the black vote. WHen AL Gore lost and they attributed the loss to DUMB BLACKS in Florida, NO ONE stood up for black voters in Florida. Voting does not take genius intelligence, but to allow that statement to go unchallenged was a tell all.

[tjdee]

18. Actually, it was 'dumb' senior citizens.

They didn't attribute the loss to dumb blacks.
I'd ask you to prove they did, if you're going to say that.

I heard about the disenfranchisements of black people, and how many black folks were taken off voter rolls inaccurately.

I'd agree that they let it go too quickly, but that is hardly indicative of wholesale abandonment.

[ShaneGR]

4. This is a local problem

Not a national, so to say that the National Party or Dems in general don't care is ridiculous. If there is a problem in a particular locality call that party and complain or call national HQ. I know for a fact outreach to the African American community is at the very TOP of the Dem plan for 2004. How do I know? I've seen them, and I'm black.

[Myra]

39. "This is a local problem"

Ok, then it's a local problem where I live for sure,
because I've see unmistakable evidence of the WA state
Dem party's unwillingness to back candidates that
are anything other than WASPS. It extends beyond
African Americans, and even beyond race.
They don't want anyone but rich white people.
They'll accept women if they meet the above two
criteria.

Sorry, sad but true.

There's no good alternative to voting for Dems to try
to get rid of the fascists. But there's no point in
deluding ourselves about them. The Dem party is racist as hell.

I do think, however, that one problem is the lack of a
credible and substantial African American leader to
ally with. I'm sorry, but I see Sharpton and Jackson as
crass self-serving opportunists with no core values.

Of course when there are true great leaders with tremendous
courage and integrity and stature and charisma,
like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, the powers that be will
Wellstone them.
So it's by design that there are no great AA leaders...alive.

Actually, I'll qualify that.
I do think the leadership of the NAACP
(Mfume and Bond) is excellent. But it's risky
for the Dems to ally with the NAACP because it could
endanger the NAACP's tax free status. We saw how that bastard Trent
Lott attacked the NAACP a couple years ago by threatening
their tax free status for their offense of being outspoken and blunt
about their victimization in coup 2k.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

5. Democrats take most working class people for granted

That's why we're the minority party everywhere.

[barbaraann]

6. The problem is not whites vs. blacks.

It's big donors versus the little people. We need campaign finance reform.

Democrats are NOT racist. Period.

[Cha]

7. Well,,,this "Dem",,,,does NOT feel that way!!,,,,,,maybe the freakin'..

dlc does...but I feel The Democratic Party should stand for everybody...White, Black, Brown, Asian, ,,,,does that cover all the ethnicities?

It's the Power of the People...not the corporations ...that are going to take this Country Back!!:kick:

DEAN FOR AMERICA :dem:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

What do you mean NONE of the candidates want to appear?

Are you talking about the NAACP conference where FOUR of the candidates aren't going to appear? If so, please correct your post to be truthful.
As many as four of the nine candidates have refused to participate in
the forum, expressing reluctance to appear on stage with their rivals in
a debate format, NAACP officials said.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=11288&mesg_id=11288&listing_type=search

If you have other info than this article please cite your source.

Several of the candidates DID appear at the Rainbow coalition forum and as near as I can see the only one that has major 'splainin' to do is Edwards who as of now will have missed BOTH.

Graham had not announced his intentions at the time so he wouldn't count in that, although it would be quite a subtle statement if both candidates from the south do not appear.

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[GOPBasher]

9. Oh sure, OK

Why don't you look at the NAACP ratings for the Democrats. Then get back to me and tell me the Dems "don't want blacks."

[JitterbugPerfume]

I am so sick of

these flame baiting posts


What the hell is happening to DU?????

[UTUSN]

10. To: Orig.Poster:: What "Dem Party" Are YOU In? n/t

[tjdee]

11. OH PULEEZE.

Oh, just give me a break.

I am black, totally disagree.

[mjb4]

13. you may be black and you may be

a Democrat but are you paying attention. See post from jonnyblitz about the role of DLC. That should tell you the Democrat Party wanted to free itself of the blacks.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. No see my post and respond to it. Back up your statement

Where di you get that NONE want to go?

[mjb4]

17. Correction: 4 candidates will attend NAACP forum

the moderator note says I cannot edit.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

19. Nope, I count 5

Sen. Bob Graham
of Florida was scheduled to attend, along with former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, former Illinois
Sen. Carol Moseley Braun and the Rev. Al Sharpton. Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry plans to go to
the convention, but his campaign is pressing for a change in the debate format.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

22. What do you mean a MODERATOR NOTE says

you can't edit? You have an hour to edit.

[Cocoa]

23. why did you say none?

"none" was quite inaccurate, and combined with the lack of link I have to say shame on you mjb4 for smearing the Democratic party. :spank:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

27. Yes his original post is factually inaccurate by his own admission

[tjdee]

15. I don't agree, so I'm not paying attention?

:eyes:

Are you really going to tell me that the DLC represents the entire party? Really? One event dictates how the party feels about black people?

I'll say right here that I support John Edwards, who HORRORS OF HORRORS! Has a scheduling conflict!! That has never happened before in the history of the world, unless you hate black people!!

[hedda_foil]

24. For accuracy's sake ....

Edwards also had a scheduling conflict for the Operation Push forum last month. He does appear to be taking the DLC advice to avoid such events, which makes sense, because Bruce Reid, the DLC president is his campaign advisor.

[tjdee]

28. Bruce Reed is NOT his campaign advisor.

That is completely false. He informally advised Edwards, at times, according to the blip in The Note which everyone likes to bring up over and over. It is unclear whether the advising took place for his Senate campaign in 1998, or what.

In fact, here is Edwards' entire campaign organization, Bruce Reed is nowhere on this list.
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/edwards/edworg.html

I'm fairly certain this is a scheduling issue for TWO events. Not 3, not 4, not 5 I would even buy that he doesn't want to be in a confrontation setting with any of the other candidates until September, and I believe it is the DNC, not the DLC, that has this 'understanding' or whatever. I don't know about that, as he did attend the NALEO (Hispanic) conference--I don't know what that was.

At the very least he doesn't have to trot out his "black friend" story that the others are so fond of relating.

mjb4 seems to think this is about him liking black people, or whatever, which is ridiculous on its face. His national co-chair is a black man, for pete's sake.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. Two MAJOR events Tjdee

Edwards has now scheduled himself out of attending two MAJOR AA forums. One for a "family" event. IF he cannot attend and address these MAJOR Dem constituents or has better things to do, he doesn't belong on the ticket...it's a southern strategy all over again and SMACKS of indifference.

Frankly is there is to be a southerner on the ticket, I prefer Graham anyway for experience and his popularity in FLA. 2 years of public service is hardly a track record.

[tjdee]

32. It doesn't smack of anything.

I find all this recent interest in the NAACP fascinating.

When the NAACP wanted the candidates to join their boycott and Edwards and Sharpton were the only ones who did, why, at DU, that was just peachy dandy! The NAACP wasn't that big a deal, they don't represent the majority of black people, etc. etc. etc.

As I said, I have no problem with Edwards' record with black people (of which I am one). Neither does his national co-chair, his co-chair in South Carolina, his co-chair in California, Eddie Bernice Johnson, and the rest of the black people who have endorsed him.

If he has a scheduling conflict, he has a scheduling conflict. If he's playing political games, it's more about being in a confrontational setting with the others than some made up racial issue/'southern strategy'.

Graham's not going to be at the NAACP event either--was he even at the PUSH forum? Is he playing some 'southern strategy' too?

[poskonig]

16. I'm convinced!!

All of your piles of evidence and careful reasoning has convinced me the Democratic Party wants to jettison a fifth of their voting base. This also explains why none of the candidates continue to support affirmative action.

Thanks for sharing the truth with me!

[msmcghee]

20. While we're on the subject . .

. . maybe you can explain to me why the NAACP decided not to sue the Florida state elections commission.

It seems to me that's when a lot of fury dried up on the left about the fraudulent election. I for one was listening to all the RW crap and apologists talking about the blacks who couldn't figure out the ballots. But I kept saying just wait till the NAACP files their multi-million dollar lawsuit againmst Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush the whole crooked bunch. Then fizzle - nothing happened.

Color me perplexed.

:wtf:

[tjdee]

25. They settled out of court, I think. n/t

[hedda_foil]

26. They filed and the state settled.

Here is the press release from NAACP

September 3, 2002

Settlement Reached In Florida Election Lawsuit
NAACP And Other Civil Rights Groups Filed Lawsuit After Disputed 2000 Election


The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and other civil rights groups today announced the settlement of a class-action lawsuit filed against the state of Florida and seven counties after many African American and other voters were disenfranchised during the presidential election on Nov. 7, 2000.

Kweisi Mfume, President & CEO, NAACP, said: "The settlement is significant because it means that Florida officials finally recognized the need to correct past election process problems, particularly in the areas of election administration, voter list maintenance and poll worker training. The new state laws following the 2000 election did not go far enough to make sure all Florida voters would have equal access to the polls on Election Day. The NAACP will continue to monitor the situation to make sure that not only Florida, but also all states, ensure equal access to the polls and follow the spirit and the letter of election laws. We also urge the Congress to act swiftly in passing the Federal Election Reform Bill that has been before it for the last year."

The NAACP filed the lawsuit following numerous complaints about election irregularities in Florida during the 2000 Presidential Election. At hearings held by the NAACP in Miami and other areas of the state, African American voters and others testified about being kept from the polls in some counties and having voting problems on Election Day. There were complaints that some voters were told their names were not on registration lists. Others had been erroneously removed from the lists of eligible voters because they were wrongfully believed to be felons who were not eligible to vote. Another common complaint was that poll workers were not adequately trained to assist voters.

The NAACP joined with African American plaintiffs and worked for more than two years with civil rights advocates from The Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, People For the American Way Foundation, the Miami law firm of Williams and Associates, the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc., The Advancement Project, and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

The defendants included the Florida Secretary of State, the Director of the Division of Elections, the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, the Department of Children and Families, Hillsborough and Orange, Leon, Miami-Dade, Broward, Duval and Volusia counties, DBT/Choice Point, Inc. Orange and Hillsborough were the last two counties to reach an agreement with the plaintiffs.

Earlier in the case, settlements were reached between the Plaintiffs and Supervisors of Elections in Broward, Duval, Leon, Miami-Dade and Volusia Counties, as well as with Choice Point, Inc.

Some of the provisions of the agreements include:

Central Voter Database
Eligible voters who were removed from the voter rolls in error will be identified and restored to the lists. New procedures will be implemented to help prevent mistakes, such as misidentifying voters as having been convicted of a felony, or incorrectly identifying voters as having registered elsewhere, from occurring in the future as the new statewide Central Voter Database is put in place.

Poll worker Training
The Division of Elections has prepared a poll worker manual that provides examples of election administration procedures as required by the new election laws. Under this agreement they will collect data on how elections are run throughout the state, including whether the procedures outlined in the manual are actually followed. The Division will report to the Legislature, beginning in 2003, on the extent of variations across the state in Election Day procedures and may make recommendations to improve effectiveness and bring about greater uniformity in a wide variety of specific areas. Florida citizens who are registered and seek- to vote should have an equal opportunity to cast their ballot.

Alternative Voting Procedures
These include provisional ballots and voting by affirmation. Counties will be encouraged to notify people who vote by alternative procedures if their vote is not counted and to give them an explanation of why the decision was made not to count their vote.

Voter Registration
The State has created a position for a National Voter Registration Act (a.k.a. "motor voter") Coordinator within the Division of Elections who will help the Secretary of State carry out his responsibility to coordinate the state's activities under the law. The NVRA Coordinator will be authorized to visit agencies and offices within the state that are required to offer their clients and consumers voter registration opportunities, to collect data from the agencies/offices, and to provide training for agency and office personnel when needed to remedy or prevent noncompliance with the NVRA.

[msmcghee]

31. Yes I remember. But why did they settle?

Out of court? Maybe they should have sued for enough that it would have bankrupted the state of Florida if they lost. How much is the value of 50,000 voters being unable to cast their ballot for president of the US. How valuable is it for one? I'd say my personal vote is worth at least one-million dollars.

By settling they made it seem like what Florida did wasn't really so bad - and saved the state of Florida from having to reveal the details (many of which were probably criminal acts) from coming to light.

That's like Ashcroft settling with Enron - IMO it's a rip off.

And another thing. The repukes are in office today and control both houses of congress because for the most part they understand that in a winner-tales-all electoral system, to win you have to campaign just to the (left for Dems) of your opponents. Otherwise you give up most of the votes that you create between you and your opponent.

That's why the pukes run as "compassionate" conservatives and why they put on a minstrel show at their convention. I can assure you the Daughters of the Confederacy did not lose any sleep over that.

In this system you have to go after the "morans in the middle" or you have zero chance. It's a shame that certain blocks on the left that identify themselves with various colors try to use that as blackmail to further wreck our chances of ever getting back into power. I'm sure Karl Rove is delighted every time this happens.

[JVS]

40. Yeah, isn't this the kind of thing you want to take to court?

First of all the publicity would raise national awareness of the problem. This might lead to positive legistlation.

Secondly, settling out of court in a mater of disenfrachised voters, whose rights you advocate, screams of being bought off.

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[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

29. Oh please!

Would you check out the NAACP ratings for Democrats? Then tell us that the Democratic Party doesn't care or want the black vote. That's absolutely ridiculous.

[messiah]

33. It's been that way for over 30+ years.......

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[mitchum]

36. Flame bait...and BULLSHIT

[number9]

37. This seems a tad bit ridiculous

black brown white yellow
all democrats share an interest in the issues - poverty, inequality, the environment and on and on.

to lump blacks as a group incapable of independent thought, and with unique issues,to me, is prejudice - pre-judging a person or their motives/actions based on the color of their skin.