Pig Zell Miller Suggested On Last Nights Daily Show That Freedom Of Speech

[DistressedAmerican]

does not extend, in his fucked up opinion, to forms of expression such as "gangster rap".

He noted that the founding fathers never envisioned such a thing as this menace to our youth. He equated such restrictions to restriction on yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

I can't believe folks like this pig run things around here. If anyone is going to have their free speech restricted maybe we should start with freaking psychos who go on national TV and challenge the show's host to a duel!

Please! Can't we repeal his right to the title Democrat? Where's the committee on such things?

[Cooley Hurd]

1. Zell is a nutty old kook whose day in the sun is long passed...

:thumbsdown:

[wtbymark]

4. if his day in the sun has past.......

then why TF is he still there?

[Cooley Hurd]

5. Because he's a sideshow - they book him on TV shows hoping...

...he'll freak out and challenge the host to a duel.;)

[DistressedAmerican]

10. That Is About All He Has Going Now That He Is Retired.

However, he did just give the Keynote at the enemy national convention.

If he is gone, it is only recently! This time last year he was making your laws.

[bryant69]

2. Well, in all fairness, there are others on our side

who would agree with him. INcluding a former presidential candidate.

Zell Miller's certainly no Democrat, but willingness to defend gangster rap shouldn't be the litmus test.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[DistressedAmerican]

3. Willingness to defend the constitution as interpreted by the court

is my litmus test. Not working to restrict free speech is my litmus test.

[bryant69]

11. What about hate speech?

[DistressedAmerican]

12. Protected. Unpleasant But, Protected.

Check with the courts. They have affirmed this over and over again.

[DivinBreuvage]

6. Shakespeare on Zell Miller:

"What cracker is this same that deafs our ears with this abundance of superfluous breath?"

King John, Act II, scene i

[DistressedAmerican]

7. Very Erudite!

[Mikimouse]

8. I think the soliloquy from McBeth is appropriate...

"...it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[bunkerbuster1]

14. Hmm... I'd use this line from Titus Andronicus if I ever met Zell

"Villian, I have done thy mother."

Just to piss him off.

[DistressedAmerican]

15. LOL!!! And She Stunketh!

:rofl:

[hatrack]

35. There's a more direct quote from MacBeth

"The devil damn thee black, thou cream-faced loon!"

[roguevalley]

51. I could like shakespeare more if you guys were writing it!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[DivinBreuvage]

16. Appropriate, but played out :)

Everyone knows that line, even people who haven't read Macbeth. It's far more satisfying to be able to flourish an obscure quote from an obscure play -- besides, how often do you get to hear Shakespeare calling someone a cracker :)

[Mikimouse]

33. Your point is well taken...Thanks

[DivinBreuvage]

46. I wasn't being serious! Just kidding around. n/t

[Mikimouse]

47. But you were probably correct too...My bet is that even the Freeps ...

know that one, as they have probably heard it in reference to them enough times. Having said that, they probably don't know who this Makbeef character is, but he is probably another one of those damned liberals anyway, so who cares.:P

[DivinBreuvage]

57. LOL... and wondering how they can cut funding

to any group that puts on the play

[CottonBear]

9. Perfect quote! I'll use that in conversation today.

I live in GA and actually voted twice for Zell when he ran for Governor. He wasn't so whacky then and GA politics had not been taken over by the rabid right. These days, Zell gets almost no news coverage here in GA unless he falls ill (as happened the other day.)

We are just hoping that he will STFU and go home to his house in the mountains and stay there.

[Dob Bole]

13. same here!

Except the voting for him thing....I'm too young. But still, he was a good governor.

[bunkerbuster1]

18. Rose colored glasses are needed to think of Zell as a "good governor."

He was just another in a long line of Georgia dems who tolerated racists in the coalition, and who skeedaddled at the first sign of trouble in that coalition.

His crowning "acheivement" was instituting a lottery to fund the Hope college scholarships, which is not exactly my idea of a great progressive endeavor. As practiced in Georgia, it's essentially about tapping poor black folks to fund the expenses of better off (and sometimes MUCH better off--there's no means testing whatsoever) white folks.

And the Perdue administration fights to keep as many blacks out of the Hope program through new SAT requirements and suchlike.

So, in short: Fuck Zell, his mother, and the horse he rode in on.

[CottonBear]

21. True that.

Dob Bole is too young to remember waht life was like during the reigh of Dixiecrat Zig Zag Zell. (I didn't live here when Carter was governor.)

I live in a university town. The HOPE program has changed everything for the worse. Don't get me started. Everything that you posted is true. I am fucking sick of HOPE scholarship rich Atlanta kids driving super-expensive SUVs, living in $1,200 / month 4BR/4Bath student Luxury Apts(they can't share anything - never have - won't start now). There is no diversity of region, race or economic background here now. It's all about rich white kids from metro Atlanta.

[bunkerbuster1]

22. It's the future, folks

A slave class and an "ownership society" class.

Thanks again Zell. And fuck you very much.

[Dob Bole]

24. well "good" isn't great, nor is it anything better than "good"

When compared to Perdue, I remember him as a good governor. He helped Clinton to the white house, as governor. He instituted the HOPE Scholarship (though I too have issues with its funding) and he was governor during the olympics. Not a bad record...in fact, kind of "good."

[bunkerbuster1]

28. Lest you think i'm giving you a hard time

I'm not. We have to hold our noses and vote for some real shady characters sometimes. I abstained from voting for Roy Barnes because I was so angry about his stance on one (1) issue at the time; and now, three years later, I wish I hadn't been quite so high-minded.

[DistressedAmerican]

54. The Alternative Must Be Pretty Fucking Bad!!!

:puke:

[Modem Butterfly]

17. The Founders Never Envisioned LOTS of Things

We're talking about men who couldn't agree that African-Americans were entirely human for crying out loud. They were wise and came up with a good system, but it's a changeable system for a very good reason: these guys were flawed, just like any other humans.

[northzax]

30. They were the best that their time produced

and the slavery decision was, in my opinion, a real politik decision to strengthen the country as a whole, taking a cut to bring the South in. In the long run, I think fewer people were enslaved and the institution was brought to an end in North America faster because of the decision to embrace the slave states. Slavery would have ended, but maybe not for another 50 years in the South.

Obviously, slavery is evil, and any person being held in bondage and slavery is one to many. But, even Oskar Schindler didn't save everyone he tried to from the Nazis, nor Raul Wallenberg, but they saved many. You have to look at history from a long wave perspective.

That said, on many social and political issues of the time, the Founding Fathers, especially Jefferson, Franklin, Hamilton and some others were radicals. From different sides, perhaps, they didn't agree on the right path, but they embraced change, they were not static, their opinions and beliefs evolved, and frankly, I think a reincarnated TJ would be amused to learn we still use his writings as a sacred document, and that people think it's infalliable and static. Hold it, these are the same people who think that the Bible is literal, even in translation from Aramaic, of course they worship the words, not the meaning of a more recent document.

disclosure, I think the IDEAS in the Constitution are as close to holy as we can get on this earth, the concept is immense. the words are words.

[DistressedAmerican]

32. Hear! Hear!

[AnnInLa]

41. I don't think they envisioned every bubba

owning and carrying around such fire-power either when they wrote the 2nd amendment, which carries such biblical-like importance for the RW.

[GR]

19. Well I'll Say This....I Agree With Him About Fire In A Crowded Theatre...

I believe that NO POLITICAL SPEECH SHOULD BE CENSORED IN ANY WAY, but as for obscenity...I think it can be censored...I will not go to the mat in defense of obscenity...

I think the idea of freedom of speech was built into the Constitution for political purposes, not for the right to be as obscene as you like..

Just my opinion...I'm not saying we should censor gansta rap in general necessarily, but there's nothing wrong with parents being able to exercise judgement on it... I know..slippery slope...and that's valid...

Remember human brains don't mature until age 25 according to recent data. That's why they induct kids into the army when they're 18 and too reckless and gullible to know that war is a racket...

[GiovanniC]

25. Who Are You Or Anybody Else To Define What Is "Obscene"

For everybody else?

[underpants]

26. The yelling fire thing has never been in doubt

Courts have said so and is the standard by which the the 1st Amendment doesn' cover free speech.

Of course parents should be able to say what is or isn't allowed in their house-that's not the issue. The issue is-should it be censored by government? Of course not.

Let me add this. One of the great things that I loved about the 90's (in general) was that every single freakin' thing wasn't measured with "How will this affect children?" Adults want entertainment too and targeting society and culture is not only the right thing to do but it would in many ways instill the adults' position to children.

[Viking12]

43. There is nothing wrong with yelling fire in a theater.

To do so falsely AND cause a panic raises some issues. As with many people, Zell doesn't undertsand the original phrase from Schenk v. US:

“...the character of every act depends upon the circumstances in which it is done. The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theater, and causing a panic."

[Kitka]

38. Exercise judgment….

He actually seems to be opposed to parents doing that. He actually said that gangster rap is just like yelling fire in a crowded theatre, that they should be treated the same. One is illegal. Making gangster rap illegal is NOT asking parents to exercise judgment. It’s taking away the freedom of expression.

[northzax]

42. parents and the government are different entities

if parents choose to restrict what their child is exposed to in their home, that's their choice. they do net get to decide what I expose myself to in my home.

I do agree that public airwaves can be regulated for community standards, since the community owns the airwaves (no porn on broadcast TV, for instance)

[roguevalley]

52. They didn't envision computers either. His analogy sucks.

[underpants]

20. Kooky old nut bag-Did you notice that the Foreword is by.....

Sean Hannity.

It was funny that Stewart had just bagged on Hannity in the segment before that. Hannity wrote the foreword to your book? Wow there can't be much substance in it if you ask him to not out shine you.

[Dr Ron]

23. Why doesn't someone just knock him off in a duel?

:)

[marmar]

27. I don't condone violence...

But Zell Miller needs his ass kicked!

[Double T]

29. Since When Does Freedom Of Speech Only Include..........

....Republican Speech, Conservative Speech And Religious Fundamentalist Speech ONLY !!! Every Other Kind Of Speech Is Un-Patriotic, Communist, Too Liberal, Vulgar Etc.

[Tux]

31. Seen that interview

And Zell did say he isn't happy about the direction his party is going. Now, Jon did mention a good point that conservatives want to return to a romantic age that had it's own moral issues and Zell agreed that earlier times weren't perfect. Unlike other conservatives, Zell did understand that any "Golden Age" is just a legend to get people to vote based on an earlier time they believe is better than this one.

Liberals look for a golden age in the future and con men look for a golden age in the past that never existed.

[DistressedAmerican]

34. Best Comments Of The Interview By Far!

http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/

[DistressedAmerican]

48. Kicking!

[DemonFighterLives]

36. That guy has really lost it

When Stewart mentioned the duuu-el, ole crazy zell reached in his coat and said,"you'd better watch out, I'm packin". Followed by crazy smile and laughter. :silly:

As far as gangsta rap. It ain't my thing, but they can do what they want. It might be better for the race to ease up on the cop killer and hoe thing though. I haven't been listening so I may not be up on the latest.

I wax for the days of Motown and early Rock.

[AlCzervik]

37. He was an idiot! He really doesn't get it, when Jon was saying

that the bankruptcy bill was a lack of decency Zell really couldn't grasp what he was saying he just went on and on about rap music and then getting rif of the irs and the estate tax and for having a consumption tax.

[Kitka]

39. I saw that, and…..

with my mouth hanging open, made a donation online to the ACLU. Holy shit.

[dogday]

40. Big difference between yelling fire and yelling liar

[paineinthearse]

44. "The founding fathers never envisioned such a thing as..." Zell Miller

However, they did write the first amendment, and that is good enough for me.

[leftofthedial]

45. yet it DOES include the right of corporations to bribe politicians?

[dzika]

49. Jon Stewart lobs softballs at "crackhead" Zell Miller - (VIDEO)

May 2, 2005

Video - Daily Show: Jon Stewart lobs softballs at "crackhead" Zell Miller

Zell Miller remembers challenging Chris Matthews to a dual after his speech at the RNC Convention.

Zell tells Jon to be careful because he is "packing heat."

Miller explains that "gangsta rap" is indecent and should be outlawed because he doesn't want it "blasting" in the ears of his granddaughter.



Video in Real Media format (7 minutes)

[DistressedAmerican]

50. Thanks For Posting The Link. I Was Looking But, To No Avail

As far as softballs are concerned. I would neve book that pig on my show but, since they try to be somewhat balanced I can deal.

Besides he just finished planting the image of Condi with ping-pong balls popping and GW in his knees before a horse in my head. At that point I don't think they can be accused of carrying water for anyone.

[UdoKier]

53. But it's okay to go on national television and tell outright LIES...

like he did when he said to the RNC that Kerry had slashed every weapons program under the sun, when, as a colleague, he knew damn well that that was NOT the case?

Zell is a lying piece of shit.

I hope his poor health gets the best of him sooner rather than later so Beelzebub can use him as a pincushion, and gnaw on his rotten head for a snack.

[DistressedAmerican]

55. Pig Kicker!

[Djinn]

56. too much time spent with Tipper?