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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 01:16 AM
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BBC "Question Time" participants hammer Tony Blair

http://jmpolitics.blogspot.com

with links to watch either the Real Player or Windows Media Player versions of the programme.

Jacob Matthan
Oulu, Finland

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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 01:23 AM
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1. Thanks for the link from a Southern USA DUer.
I watch "Prime minister's questions" every week on C-Span.
Brilliant political TV!
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scarletlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 06:06 AM
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2. Just saw this this morning on C-span 2.
It was great. All three candidates came out and answered real questions from real people. No scripted town hall meeting here.

I wish our guys would do this.

I noticed at the end that Tony was perspiring quite heavily. The other 2 guys still looked quite cool at the end of their time in front of the people.

VOTE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT!!!!
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 06:13 AM
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3. I had been hoping for tomatoes and eggs n/t
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 06:21 AM
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4. My Opinion
Tony Blair made a comment towards the end of the show where he said that either he or Michael Howard would be Prime Minister come next week. The tragic thing is, he's most probably right. Curiously however, Blair arrived on stage to jeers and was subjected to hostile questioning and Howard got a very definate cold-shoulder. Meanwhile, Kennedy, who Blair doesn't consider a threat, gets an enthusiastic applause complete with cheers at the end of his performance.

Now, can someone tell me what's wrong with an electoral system where the most popular candidate loses.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:12 AM
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5. Polly Toynbee in The Guardian on electoral reform today
But the whole idea of vote swapping, voting tactically or voting with a nose peg is a disgrace and shouldn't be happening. What kind of electoral system do we have when a large part of the electorate finds itself obliged to choose between deeply unpalatable options - and as many as half threaten not to vote at all? No doubt after the election MPs will suffer a few days of remorse over the dangerous democratic deficit opening up between Westminster and the people. But as the old parliamentary steamroller grinds into action, it will all be forgotten again.

Or that is the danger, unless all those nose-pegging their way to the polls take action to demand proportional representation by the next election. It is by no means only anti-Blair Labour voters who are outraged by the puny choice on offer. Consider all the pro-European Tories or decent Tories who are disgusted by the Howard campaign. There will be many voting tactically for the Liberal Democrats who think little of Charles Kennedy. The angry mood suggests too many people will be going to the polls resentfully.

This must be the last election when that happens. Let's hear no more about "choice" in anything from any Labour ministers - let alone the prime minister - until they are prepared to offer choice over what matters most: the right to choose a party to vote for. Let's hear no more pious talk of ways to ignite community participation until we have a voting system that might restore enthusiasm in politics, with more parties closer to people's taste. Imagine a Labour party split between new and old Labour: it makes sense. The Tories would certainly split, too - and so probably would the Lib Dems. (In my borough the Lib Dems choose to rule with Tories, not Labour). Future government would combine a wider range of opinion, represented according to the strength we gave them.

Our electoral system is the reason why each campaign seems more reductionist and vacuous than the last. The parties are competing for an ever more cleverly identified few thousand wavering voters in marginal constituencies. Pollsters find these few vague voters hardly think about politics at all. They are difficult to engage even for a fleeting moment, don't read papers but may vote if taken by some slogan that catches their eye. Most people are not like that: even if party tribalism has weakened, these target voters tend to be exceptionally uninterested in politics. Yet everything depends on them.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1472812,00.html


And a link to a site for reform, including a petition: http://www.makemyvotecount.org.uk/home.html

(And I can't help point out that on Question Time last night, Kennedy called for all decent politicians to recognise this).
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:42 AM
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7. Ah, Polly Toybee and her Dinner Party Socialism
A nice house in Islington, putting the country to rights over a good bottle of wine at the local brasserie, nodding Hello to Tony over the 4-wheel drive as he transports the kids out of the borough to a nice school...
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 08:33 AM
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8. And yet she's been saying that we should ignore Iraq, because Labour
has done a lot of good in redistribution domestically. SO I think it's a bit unfair to characterise her as a rich intellectual in her own world.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-29-05 07:16 AM
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6. I caught the end of this this morning when Blair was on.
How I wish the idiot-in-chief was allowed to do this. His handlers know his temperament couldn't handle it. He would LOSE it in 2 minutes flat. Blair was perspiring up a storm. The questions and confrontations were amazing. THEN, people from the audience actually walked up to him after the show and they were NOT in support of him. Could you imagine the idiot-in-chief allowing the peons of the country to approach him and ask him questions? That show was incredible. Very entertaining!
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