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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:19 PM
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Saudi gov. complicity in 9/11 - Al-Qaeda suspect had envoy's passport
Al-Qaeda suspect 'had envoy's passport'
By Stephen Fidler in London

...

The disclosures, contained in Al-Qaeda Will Conquer (Al-Qa'ida Vaincra), by the author Guillaume Dasquié, will be uncomfortable reading for the Saudi government, which has disputed any suggestions of official complicity in the attacks of September 11 2001.

The January 2002 letter from George Wolfe, then the US Treasury's deputy general counsel, says Mr bin Mussalim “has been providing indirect investment services for al-Qaeda, investing funds for bin Laden, and making cash deliveries on request to the al-Qaeda organisation”.

The letter links him to the now defunct Bank Al-Taqwa and its founder, Youssef Nada. Both have been named by the US and United Nations as providers of terrorist finance.

...

According to the book, Mr bin Mussalim was found dead in his residence in Lausanne last June, a month after reports of the US Treasury letter first emerged.

...

Other documents cited in the book include a flight manifest of the so-called bin Laden flight, in which members of the bin Laden family were flown out of the US in the days after the September 11 attacks. The manifest shows 29 people aboard the flight that flew to Le Bourget airport from Boston on September 20, after originating in Los Angeles and then flying to Orlando and Washington Dulles airport. This contradicts the number cited in the report of the 9/11 Commission published last year, which said there were 26 people aboard.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 06:41 PM
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1. have to say one thing
there is a hell of lot more info out there than there was on the Kennedy assassination. Maybe the truth will finally be known about 9-11. At least enough to hold some people accountable.
hope so
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 07:00 PM
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2. Did Our President Spike The Investigation Of Bin Laden?
Gee. Reading DU these days, one would think conspiracies are a bad thing, especially when applied to the little turd from Crawford.

Did Our President Spike The Investigation Of Bin Laden?

EXCERPT...

FBI Document 199I

What we did discover was serious enough. To begin with, from less-than-happy FBI agents we obtained an interesting document, some 30 pages long, marked "SECRET." I've reproduced a couple of pages here (figure 2.1). Note the designation "199I" -- that's FBI-speak for "national security matter." According to insiders, FBI agents had wanted to check into two members of the bin Laden family, Abdullah and Omar, but were told to stay away by superiors -- until September 13, 2001. By then, Abdullah and Omar were long gone from the United States.

Why no investigation of the brothers bin Laden? The Bush administration's line is the Binladdins (a more common spelling of the Arabic name) are good folk. Osama's the Black Sheep, supposedly cut off from his Saudi kin. But the official line notwithstanding, some FBI agents believed the family had some gray sheep worth questioning -- especially these two working with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), which the file labels "a suspected terrorist organization."

SNIP...

Blowback and Bush Sr.

Still, we are left with the question of why both Bush Jr. and Clinton would hold back disclosure of Saudi funding of terror. I got the first glimpse of an answer from Michael Springmann, who headed up the U.S. State Department's visa bureau in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, during the Reagan-Bush Sr. years. "In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high-level State Department officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there." That was Springmann's mistake. He was one of those conscientious midlevel bureaucrats who did not realize that when he filed reports about rules violations he was jeopardizing the cover for a huge multicontinental intelligence operation aimed at the Soviets. Springmann assumed petty thievery: someone was taking bribes, selling visas; so he couldn't understand why his complaints about rule-breakers were "met with silence" at the Bureau of Diplomatic Security.

Springmann complained himself right out of a job. Now a lawyer, he has obtained more information on the questionable "engineers" with no engineering knowledge whom he was ordered to permit into the United States. "What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama bin Laden, to the United States for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets."

But then they turned their talents against the post-Soviet power: us. In the parlance of spook-world, this is called "blowback." Bin Laden and his bloody brethren were created in America's own Frankenstein factory. It would not do for the current president nor agency officials to dig back to find that some of the terrorists we are hunting today were trained and armed by the Reagan-Bush administration. And that's one of the problems for agents seeking to investigate groups like WAMY, or Abdullah bin Laden. WAMY literature that talks about that "compassionate young man Osama bin Laden" is likely to have been disseminated, if not written, by our very own government. If Abdullah's Bosnian-operated "charity" was funding Chechnyan guerrillas, it is only possible because the Clinton CIA gave the wink and nod to WAMY and other groups who were aiding Bosnian guerrillas when they were fighting Serbia, a U.S.-approved enemy. "What we're talking about," says national security expert Joe Trento, "is embarrassing, career-destroying blowback for intelligence officials." And, he could add, for the presidential father.

CONTINUED...

http://www.john-loftus.com/palast.asp

Good old Loftus. Good old Palast. Good old Springmann.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:06 PM
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3. Poor Saudi Princes


"Three prominent members of the Saudi royal family die in mysterious circumstances. Prince Ahmed bin Abdul-Aziz, a nephew of the Saudi king, prominent businessman, and owner of the winning 2002 Kentucky Derby horse, is said to die of a heart attack at the age of 43. The next day, Prince Sultan bin Faisal, another nephew of the king, dies driving to Prince Ahmed's funeral. A week later, Prince Sultan bin Faisal supposedly “dies of thirst”in the Arabian desert. Seven months later, on February 20, 2003, Pakistan's air force chief Mushaf Ali Mir, dies in a plane crash in clear weather, along with his wife and closest confidants. Controversial author Gerald Posner implies that all of these events are linked together and the deaths not accidental, because of the testimony of captured al-Qaeda leader Abu Zubaida. Supposedly, Zubaida confessed that he was working with all of the above individuals, and that they had foreknowledge of the 9/11 plot. The deaths all occurred not long after the respective governments were told of Zubaida's confessions. Only one other key figure named by Zubaida remains alive: Saudi Intelligence Minister Prince Turki bin Faisal. Posner says, “He's the J. Edgar Hoover of Saudi Arabia,” too powerful and aware of too many secrets to be killed off. Prince Turki loses his Intelligence Minister job ten days before 9/11, and is later made Saudi ambassador to Britain, giving him diplomatic immunity from any criminal prosecution. (Time 8/31/03)"
(from Paul Thompson's timeline: July 2002)




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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:11 PM
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6. Some drivers burn you up on the road these days.
FBI probes death of driver's license examiner

Woman gave licenses to men being checked for terrorist links


From Kevin Bohn and Deborah Feyerick
CNN Washington

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The death of a Tennessee driver's license examiner accused of helping six illegal immigrants get false drivers' licenses was no accident, the FBI said Friday.

Katherine Smith was found burned to death in her car early Sunday, a day before she was to be arraigned on federal charges she helped five Middle Eastern men and one juvenile get fake driver's licenses earlier this month. The five adults are under investigation for possible ties to the September 11 terrorist attacks, law enforcement officials said.

Smith's car was on fire when it struck a utility pole on a rural highway about 30 miles from Memphis, FBI agent Suzanne Nash said Wednesday. Smith's clothing had been soaked with gasoline, leaving her burned beyond recognition, according to authorities.

The FBI said Smith's death was either a homicide or a suicide.

All six lived in New York and are illegal immigrants, according to law enforcement officials.

One of the men, Sakhera Hammad, had a visitor's pass for the World Trade Center dated September 5, 2001. He told authorities he and his cousin, Abdelmuhsen Mahmid Hammad, also charged with trying to obtain a fake license, worked on the tower's sprinkler systems -- a claim authorities have not been able to corroborate.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/LAW/02/15/inv.licenser.death/
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:20 PM
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4. You're not kidding Octafish
I made a simple observation today in GD about the fact that the death toll on 911 seemed low (IMO) considering the potential and my ass is still burning.

I guess now you're a freep if you even insinuate this may have been a LIHOP (little alone a MIHOP)

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:23 PM
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7. Thanks, Carni! Justcuz one doesn't want to believe something to be true...
... doesn't mean it isn't true.

Same goes for JFK - MLK - RFK discussion. Unbelievable to consider so many believe what the fascist turd J Edgar Hoover said. Same thing for Corporate McPravda - the same press that won't cover the truth about JFK's murder won't cover Selection 2000 - 9-11 - Illegal Iraq Invasion, let alone e-Selection 2004.

It's fantastic to think how many of our friends are brainwashed by the mass media. The result is all too visible. Many supposed liberals -- not necessarily on DU -- give the benefit of the doubt to Bushler. Ugh.

The BFEE works 24/7 to make life miserable for the majority of people in the world and in the United States. And they control the money, the military and the media.



"Unka Dick. When kin we round up
all them conspersy nuts?"

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 08:20 PM
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5. Just dropped dead, huh?
Amazing how that happens.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-27-05 09:48 PM
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8. Always a trail of death
:kick:
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