Would you want to know if your kid was travelling to get an abortion?

[ecstatic]

They are talking about this right now on C SPAN (Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act)

[noiretextatique]

1. sickening

their continued attack on the personhood of females.

[beam me up scottie]

3. Ditto.

Disguising fanatical control over women's bodies as "concern for children".
Sounds familiar, doesn't it Kansans?

[jdj]

30. inside every womb is a potential soldier.

got ta keep the numbers up.

[beam me up scottie]

39. The scariest thing about what you just said

is the fact that it is true and that some people actually do think in those terms.
And I guarantee that they are NOT concerned about babies and women.
Believe that at your own peril, sisters.
We will become criminals if these people get to make the decision about what happens in our wombs.

[slackmaster]

2. If my (step) kid was travelling to get an abortion I'd be VERY surprised

But he's 22 years old and has a right to his own privacy.

:crazy:

[Beetwasher]

4. This Should Be Called The "Leave Your Newborn In A Dumpster" Bill

Because that is what it is going to lead to when pregnant teens are too afraid to notify their parents and are unable to get an abortion.

[CornField]

5. Or... it could be a ploy to bump up the sales of Vitamin C

eom

[beam me up scottie]

8. How dare you question

the reptilicans' commitment to children?

[noiretextatique]

9. maybe that's the point

to criminalize young women and provide more raw material for the corporate prison industry.

[smirkymonkey]

11. Or find your teenage daughter dead from a botched illegal

abortion. Case in point, the Becky Bell tragedy.

http://www.ms4c.org/update/598bell.htm

[ecstatic]

13. I never thought of that

When is someone (in Congress/Senate) going to bring that up? They just keep mentioning the rape/incest cases.

[KittyWampus]

32. A Friend Of Mine Had A "Botched" Abortion. Further, Most Females

have the procedure done under anesthesia which has its own potential dangers.

[Djinn]

45. most have only a local anaethesia

there are less risks with abortion than with childbirth.

On the OP topic, I'd want to know but then if I had a halfway decent relationship with my kid I'd know anyway without it being legislated.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. Yes...especially if my boyfriend or husband raped them

:sarcasm:

[Solly Mack]

7. I would feel like a failure if my child couldn't confide in me about that

However, even in the best of homes (you know, the liberal kind) children may fear telling their parents for one reason or another.

she can tell me or not(though I hope she does)...but I want her abortion to be safe and legal regardless....and I don't really care about legal as long as it's safe. (I just don't happen to think I have to obey laws that are meant to discriminate against me as a woman...just a heads up to those seeking to ban abortions..you still won't control me)

[beam me up scottie]

10. You said it, Solly.

We mobilized in the 80's and we'll do it again if necessary.

[Solly Mack]

15. I'm always prepared to go

Fuck them people. I'm not going back...I'm moving forward.

[beam me up scottie]

19. If they couldn't stop us before

what makes them think they can do it now?
It's not called the interNET for nothing.
Bring it on.

[Solly Mack]

23. You radical you!

:)

[beam me up scottie]

27. I'm really scared

that it might come to that.
Honestly.

[Solly Mack]

31. me too actually

I don't trust my government not to sell women out.

All keep updated info handy and I make other plans.

[beam me up scottie]

41. If they think congress

is giving them trouble, wait 'til they take us on.
I am glad to see so many DU'ers supporting our reproductive rights, especially the men.

Thank you Sirs.

[ComerPerro]

12. Right on. Well said

[Solly Mack]

21. Thank you!

Just don't forget the bail money! :)

[gollygee]

33. Very well put!

[ohio_liberal]

14. This is a tough poll

I'd like to think that my daughter could talk to me about an abortion but I don't like the idea of forced notification.

[noiretextatique]

18. speaking of "forced notification"

:hi: i'm borrowing your term, ohio-liberal

what exactly do those who support this legislation on DU hope to GAIN by being notified? would you stop your daughter from having an abortion? if not, what is the point of invading her privacy?
thanks.

[KittyWampus]

35. The POINT Is Having A Say In What Happens To Your CHILD

IMO, privacy for children is a privilege and not a right.

And breaking rules means revoking those priviledges.

You are willing to intervene into another family's decision?

[noiretextatique]

37. what RULES would the child be breaking, pray tell?

besides the one created by this awful law? tell me...do you need a law to have a say in what happens to your child in any other area of her life? do you need a law to enforce all rules you set for your child? finally, is your privacy a priviledge, or a right?
and surely you know the goal of the people proposing these laws is not "notification" but intervention, i.e., preventing the abortions from happening. WE never learn.

[Pithlet]

42. So your child

Doesn't tell you, and can't get an abortion, and ends up in jail when she's too scared to get help when she goes into labor and her baby dies. That's a much better alternative.

This isn't going to get a tatoo, or a nose job.

[EFerrari]

16. They can take this "act of congress" and shove it --

if there's any room in their pockets for one more thing.

I will help any woman anywhere obtain a safe abortion and Death Squads Negroponte can kiss my @ss.

[Cuban_Liberal]

17. I might *want* to know, but I'd have no *right* to know, IMO.

This law is unconstitutional on its face, IMO.

[EFerrari]

20. Exactamente. n/t

[deadparrot]

34. Agreed. nt

[Beaverhausen]

22. If the girl is afraid to tell her parents, they have a bad relationship

...most likely.

So forcing her to tell them is just making her situation worse.

way to go. :eyes:

[Karenina]

52. And if the impregnator

is a family member who EVERYONE must protect, HELL YEAH! Give me another shot at keeping the victim in line. Notify ME! I'll make her keep her damned mouth shut! She won't disgrace the "family" when I get through with her! :sarcasm:

[XanaDUer]

24. Yes, I would like to know

but I don't need no stinking anti-female law to compel them to tell me so. I would hope they would come to me of their own free will.

To wit: Teenagers who have parents who will go batshit and/or throw them out of the house and/or beat them senseless if they get pregnant while unmarried is the reason parents do not have to be told.

This is nothing more than anti-female crappola masquerading as protecting-the-minors', pro-family legislation.

[TrogL]

25. I'd probably be driving

[all.of.me]

26. i would hope that my daughter would have told me about it

long before she travelled anywhere.

[Fescue4u]

28. I want to know about ALL medical procedures done to my children

The most important thing I do in this life is to raise and protect my kids.

Yes I absolutely want to know if someone is performing surgery on my daughter.

[Merope215]

29. Here's a quick note to parents reading this thread

It is highly, highly unlikely that your daughter will feel comfortable telling you about it if she is getting an abortion, at least before it happens.

I'm 19 and in college, and I have both a great SO and wonderful parents with whom I get along really well and talk often. We have a very close relationship. If, God forbid, I ever got pregnant, though, and decided to have an abortion, there's no way I would tell them about it. And I live a thousand miles away. If something like that had happened to me in high school, I would have been petrified.

If you have a daughter (or a son, for that matter) who is a teenager, you need to have a conversation with her or him RIGHT NOW about this. Make sure they know how you feel about it and what your stand is. Make sure they know that you put her health and safety first, that you're on her side, and that you're not going to be angry (at least, not too angry). If you support her right to choose, have the conversation. Bring it up first, because I can almost guarantee you that your daughter (or son) is not going to want to do it herself. No matter how close and loving your relationship, she is probably going to feel guilty and ashamed and will do her best to avoid having you find out.

So make sure you talk about it with your child. Please!

[Solly Mack]

36. Thank you!

[beam me up scottie]

38. Yes,

Thank you for the reminder.

[Pithlet]

44. Yes

Excellent post.

[Reverend_Smitty]

40. A few years ago...

and I'm not sure if the girl was 17 or 18 at the time but the daughter of my mother's husband (her boyfriend at the time) basically fled her biological mother's house (the mother was a big time alcoholic) and wanted to move in with her father and my mother. Well it turned out that this girl was pregnant and she didn't want to tell her boyfriend because from what I've heard he was abusive (yes quite a fucked up situation).

My mother was the only person that this young woman had to turn to (and my mom was not her legal guardian) and she wanted an abortion (which was entirely the girl's choice) and it took A LOT of convincing to get this girl to tell her father this. She got the procedure done and life goes on. But when I hear about bills like this I can't help but be reminded of this story. She really had no one in her family to turn to and thankfully my mother was able to get her to re-connect with her father and get her out of an abusive situation. But not all young women have a person that they can turn to.

My personal feelings on abortion aside. I feel that this young woman did the right thing, clearly she wasn't ready to be a mother and I know if she decided to remain pregnant she would have went back to her boyfriend which would have been unsafe for her and the baby.

[philosophie_en_rose]

43. What if the parents are abusive?

Not to suggest that all parents in this situation are abusive or that all women considering abortion are doing so for reasons of abuse or incest.

However, I have a huge concern with survivors of rape and abuse forced to disclose to family members that condoned or caused the abuse.

If you need the law to force your daughter to tell you, the law will not solve your real problem. A daughter's choice (and any woman that is pregnant deserves control over her body) should not be contingent on the parent's power issues. What parent in their right mind would force a girl to stay pregnant or give birth against her will?

[ahem]

50. So true.

The government can't legislate communication between parents and children. Not about this subject or anything else. It just doesn't work that way.

They want to grant rights to the parents without recognizing that the girl in question is a potential parent with rights of her own.

And sadly, there are those that would force their daughter to continue a pregnancy against her will.

[sandnsea]

46. I want my child alive

And I hope that would have meant if she decided to have an abortion, she had one in a clean facility by a competent doctor. I don't know how many girls are going to have to die because of these stupid abortion bills.

[beam me up scottie]

47. Thank you.

That is the reason for keeping abortion SAFE, ACCESSIBLE and LEGAL.
Once they start interfering with any of those rights, we all lose.

We cannot allow the politicians and judges to decide who gets those rights and who doesn't.

Period.

[Merope215]

53. Yes

This bill will kill people. Real people, who are already here and have lives and thoughts and dreams of their own. It's horrifying.

It should be called the "Septic Abortion Act of 2005."

[sandnsea]

58. Dead Daughters Act of 2005

It's going to happen, sooner or later.

[ahem]

48. I would want her to tell me. I would NOT want her to be FORCED to tell me.

We would already have had the conversation that lets her know that if she ever gets pregnant that I would support whatever informed decision she makes. That I would be her advocate for the best medical treatment and her transportation to get it.

But I don't want laws forcing communication between parents and children. The government doesn't know the goings on in each family, and they don't know the risks that forced notification causes some of these girls.

Keep your laws off my body. And hers, too.

[Xithras]

49. I wouldn't want my kids going to another state for ANY reason without me

Maybe it's different for you northeasterners with your tiny states all crammed together, but out here in the western US traveling between states is a pretty significant trip that often means driving hundreds of miles. There would be hell to pay if someone took my children to another state for ANY reason without my consent.

[beam me up scottie]

54. Yeah, it's all about the size of the states.

Way to miss the point.

[sandnsea]

57. If not for stupid parental notification laws

This wouldn't even be an issue. I don't know what it's like to live under the delusion that you control every move a 16 year old makes. I've never seen it to be true of any 16 year old, and parents who think they do have total control tend to have it come back to bite them in the worst way. This time it's going to be with dead daughters.

[AP]

51. I'd rather be the kind of parent my child wanted to be honest with before

I asked the government to step in and force my child to have to tell me this information.

[Padraig18]

55. Of course, I'd want to know, but I would hope she would TELL me...

I would hope she would trust in my love for her enough to tell me, but I certainly don't want her to be FORCED to tell me. This legislation is garbage, and will only force prgenant minors into the hands of back-alley abortionists.

x(

[in_cog_ni_to]

56. As usual, their going down that road

of no return. A young girl is raped by her father, impregnated and HE must be notified????!!!*&^%$%^& I cannot tell you how angry this crap makes me. Who gives a shit if she has an abortion in HER state or crosses a border? :wtf: difference does it make? NONE! :grr: If it's illegal in a state, then the women/girls will just find a way to abort. We're going back in time to some HORRID, HORRID times. I see clothes hangers in back alleys in our near future.

If that were me and my dad raped me and I knew that if I went to an abortion doctor who, under the law, had to tell the rapist I was having an abortion...I would find another option.

My hope is, we will always have LIBERAL doctors who will risk their practice on PRINCIPLE. That's the way it was when abortions were illegal. As long as you had enough $$$$$, that is. :(

I detest repukes. :grr: