Fascists still fumin' over Maggie. Check out the AOL site.

[Kerrytravelers]

<http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/celeb/article.adp?id=20050426152709990006&ncid=NWS00010000000001>



Had the question been posed over something a RWer celeberity said, I'm sure their freedom to speak would not be in question.

Typical. Typical. Typical... and fascist.

[ET Awful]

1. I wonder what they said when Falwell and Robertson said within

days after 9/11 that it was the fault of lesbians and gays in America.

[Kerrytravelers]

26. It falls into their argument quite nicely, so they were fine with it.

Apparently, gay is the new Black. But guess what, we still have the "old Black", too.

[Squatch]

2. Fascist?

I thought it was still OK to disagree with somebody in this country.

[JAbuchan08]

9. Hey nobody ever said they weren't allowed to be fascists

hell even the KKK has the freedom of speech - that doesn't mean we hve to like them.

[Squatch]

11. That also doesn't mean they have to be called fascists.

That's just petty.

[Kerrytravelers]

14. Oh, for heaven't sake.

How many times a day do we say fascist on this board?

We have discussed, ad nauseum, on DU about the aspects of fascism- one of them being the silencing of those who disagree with those in power. Obviously, she will be the latest distraction so those who are asleep in America won't notice what's going on in Iraq and here at home.

[Squatch]

15. Not my point. My point is that it is petty

to attempt to vilify and classify the actions/disagreements of others as fascist, when no proof to those ends exist.

[Kerrytravelers]

18. Yes. I'm petty. Very, very petty. I'm also a bit pissed.

Very, very pissed that once again, an opinion that differs from "theirs" is being villified and all the attention is focused on her and not where it should be- on this administration.

But, instead of talking about how, once again, an opinion is being villified because it questions America's role in the world, we're talking about how petty I am. How very important.

[Squatch]

19. I didn't say you were petty, just your semantics.

[Kerrytravelers]

21. .

Yawn... and stretch....


:boring:

[JAbuchan08]

20. They villify themselves by taking actions that are fascist

fascisms isn't just hardcore brutal state-sponsored murder, its an authoritarian ideology of governance that the Republican party leans more toward than from. To ignore the fascist nature of so much of their agenda would be frankly irresponsible.
I for one think that the next Hitler is hiding in the bushes (pun iuntended) and he's sure going to have an easy time of it if we erase the word fascism from the terms of the debate.

[Kerrytravelers]

23. Thank you... thank you... thank you...

Ding ding, ding ding, ding ding... we have a winner.


Take a bow, Gonnabuymeagun, for hitting the nail on the head.


Obviusly, we do not live in a completly fascist state yet. But if these goons have their way, our side will be completly wiped out. They are here for dominance. It takes fascist tatics to make this happen. Maggie is just one small example of the millions we have cited here at DU.

[Squatch]

28. Still not "fascist".

They did not force the website editor to remove the posting feature, he/she did so because the site was "overwhelmed". Whether that means that the editor didn't want to read all the responses or that the website could not handle the load, we don't know.

[Squatch]

25. So, what, exactly, was "fascist" about this?

"A fan Web site devoted to Gyllenhaal was overwhelmed with criticism, forcing the site's editor to remove the ability to post messages "because it's gotten too outta hand.""

Sounds to me as if the respondents were exercising their right to speech, to which the website's editor chose to remove that ability.

[Kerrytravelers]

30. Have you heard about this before this post? Did you look at the poll?

Do a quick search. There are people already clamoring for her to be deported- and she's American born. rethuglian politicians have jumped up, misquoted and said that she is part of the problem in America- the opinion of the left.

THis was merely a day after poll that shows the rethugs have sent the message if you question America- or the leadership, since they see it as one large entity, you are less of a citizen.

This clearly isn't the first time this has happened. But they are getting quicker and quicker on their reactions to "other" opinions. At what point will "other" opinons not be allowed to be expressed to a wide audience... or not at all?

[Squatch]

31. That's just all posturing and hot air, that really paints them

idiotic and frenzied as opposed to fascist.

[Kerrytravelers]

34. I'm not talking about the editor of the fan site.

I referred to the poll that said she doesn't have the right to air her opinions.

If that wasn't clear... ask.

[Squatch]

35. That was YOUR point?

LOL...I thought that was rodeodance's point right here.

[Kerrytravelers]

39. Rodeorance is talking about my point.

"Had the question been posed over something a RWer celeberity said, I'm sure their freedom to speak would not be in question."



It really wasn't that big of a deal. I never figured this little post would get more than a few responses (if that many) about typical RW bullshit. It was simply a link to the poll that one could vote in... and the results that said Maggie, as a celeberity/actor, shouldn't be saying her opinion publically. That was it, just a simple little... hey, did you see this post. No grand point, no world changing observation... just a note of the typical RW bullshit.

It really wasn't intended to be deep at all. It's too early in the morning for deep. Come back in three house... I can give you deep then. LOL.

[JAbuchan08]

38. There's the silencing of dissent aspect

Sure its not the government attempting to censor and intimidate her but it has the same effect. The GOP just "outsources" their censorship by manipulating the publics opinion and then letting the public do their leg-work. It doesn't seem as bad because its not the government doing the intimidating its your friends and neighbors - and that's what they're counting on.
Granted when the left howls about some crazy ranting by the right I feel differently, but in that case its crazy ranting not some casual observation like Ms. Gyllenhal made.
Frankly I think that calling the right "fascist" even over the slightest overreach is actually constructive. The parallels are there and if we point them out maybe the sheeple will finally realize - especially if we don't get worked up about it and just say it as a statement of fact.
As in "paying journalists to push the Bush agenda, that trends toward fascism." If the average American is hearing that from the Democrats on every issue eventually they're going to get over thinking that its rude and start thinking about how there might actually be something to that.

[Squatch]

40. OK, that I can live with. And very nice argument, if I do say so myself.

[Kerrytravelers]

12. Yes, I thought it was still ok to disagree.

But when you're on the left, you're not allowed to have a voice.

There have been several threads on this subject. THere is a politician (R, of course) who is demanding an apology. It's gone over the top as usual.

[Squatch]

13. Baloney.

I am on the left and I have a voice. Not everybody will agree with me, and that's fine. Doesn't qualify them as fascists.

[Kerrytravelers]

16. You're actually going to go on and on about this?

Again, I ask; How many times a day is the word fascism used on this board?

To get so upset over some little dinky post is a bit puzzling.

[Squatch]

17. I'm not upset.

You can use that word a gazillion times, with the only result being that its meaning will have been diminished.

There are real fascists out there, save that label for them when the time is appropriate.

[JAbuchan08]

22. Yeah, save the word until we're ABSOLUTELY sure its applicable

like, AFTER they start the purges. That'll work.

[Kerrytravelers]

24. As I said before... ding ding, ding ding, ding ding... we have a winner.

[Squatch]

29. That's your right...

as it is mine to say that such wide and unqualified use is petty.

[Kerrytravelers]

32. ,,

Who is more petty? My use of the term fascist or the fact that someone is villified for expressing and opinion? Hum......



yawn... and... stretch.

Wake me when we're back on the subject. :boring:

[Squatch]

33. How about you wake me up, when you have a point to make

"Who is more petty? My use of the term fascist or the fact that someone is villified for expressing and opinion?"

WTF?

[Kerrytravelers]

36. My point was very clear. RWers saying she shouldn't be airing her opinion

I have no idea why you have chosen to start flaming. I have no idea what you are so upset about. I have no idea what the WTF is all about from you. It seems everyone else here has been talking about Maggie and Maggie related stories. You're going on and on about the use of the word fascism, but then start talking about the web editor. In the op, I referred to the fact that the AOL poll said she should keep her opinions to herself. That was it. I do believe you have read way too much into something that was really quite nothing.

[Squatch]

37. You did?

"In the op, I referred to the fact that the AOL poll said she should keep her opinions to herself."

For the life of me, I am having a VERY hard time locating that reference.

Oh, that's because IT ISN'T THERE.

[Kerrytravelers]

41. Inferring was required. I said "the question" and had a link to the poll.

"Had the question been posed over something a RWer celeberity said, I'm sure their freedom to speak would not be in question."

I figured the question I referred to was clear when the link had a poll. I referred to the question when saying: "Had the question been posed over something a RWer celeberity said"

Again, if someone isn't clear... just ask. In this case, What part did you find fascist? I don't see it. Was it the editor?

I would have responses: The response to the poll. It seems people are being silenced.


Then there would have been less posts going back and forth over a misunderstanding.

[rodeodance]

3. there is a poll at that site also

<http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/celeb/article.adp?id=2005042... >


Updated: 09:15 AM EDT
Maggie Gyllenhaal's Sept. 11 Comments Spark Outcry



NEW YORK (April 27) - Maggie Gyllenhaal has waded into sensitive political waters by raising questions about Sept. 11 and American foreign policy. The 27-year-old actress, who stars in a new film about the 2001 terror attacks on the World Trade Center, said in an interview last week that the United States "is responsible in some way" for the attacks.

[rodeodance]

4. Do you agree with Gyllenhaal's comments? NO=62%. She has a

very thoughtful response on the website (or her publistist does).


Do you agree with Gyllenhaal's comments?
No 62%
Yes 38%
Is it a celebrity's place to share personal feelings about politics?
No 49%
Yes 34%
Maybe: Weigh in 17%
Total Votes: 72,589

[rodeodance]

7. Ward Churchhill asked the same question. What role does America

play in how the world feels toward us?
Many people do not want to know-or hear that we are not nice to many parts of the world and that our policies are detrimental to many.

[rodeodance]

10. It is questions like this that should be debated on the Senate floor

[FreedomAngel82]

6. Interesting

What's this movie about? And yes they're responsible. Ignoring Clinton's information, ignoring France and Germany who gave warnings.

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Of course not

Only when they're against the republicans are they told to "shut up and sing." Assholes.

[chelsea0011]

8. Pay them no mind. This is the same crowd who can't get over Jane Fonda

[BurtWorm]

27. They don't have anything better to do. Their own "stars" are indefensible

(DeLay, Bush, Frist, Cheney, Bolton, Rice, etc., etc., etc.)