Florida new shooting law

[brettdale]

We just had on our news here, the law passed in Florida that says people can shoot anyone anywhere if you think you are danger, our newsreader couldnt keep a straight face and was trying not to laugh.

She was saying "you can shoot at the mall, in a public park, even in your office!!!!"

My question is what is Jeb's moviation for this? and how come people arent going nuts!, what will happen to Florida's murder rate now, and who is going to decide if force was really neccesary?

[Tux]

1. Easy reason why

"I feel threatened by your non-evangelical existance thus I'm in danger of thinking for myself."

BAM!

[DIKB]

2. Now comes

the reign of the Christo-Fascists. beware them, they can draw a gun on you for even IMPLYING that they think for themselves

I was sounding more original (drunk) and not remembering what you wrote before I looked at the top of teh screen. lol

[7th_Sephiroth]

3. dontforget

"his skin was darker than mine, officer, and it scared me, so i pulled out my AK-47" heh, and on edit, someone would have to be a pretty fast draw to beat me, i'm clocked at from reaching for my gun to fireing the first shot at 9/10 of a second, i can drop a coin at shoulder level and shoot it with the same hand

[OldEurope]

4. The speaker LAUGHED?

Amazing. I cannot find this ridiculous.
But then: I am not American and cannot understand why anyone should have a gun except the police.

[MrScorpio]

5. Now I really have no reason to go to Florida

They can do without this moving target

[FreedomAngel82]

35. I'd be a lil afraid

to be down there now. What if your a tourist and an evangelical group was out trying to convert people and you politely told them "no thanks" but they kept bugging you and you raised your voice and they shot you? What would happen to you?

[jmatthan]

6. Bernie Ward read my answer on air today

Dear Bernie,

I am amazed that you do not understand the new Florida Gun law. It is the absolute necessity of a Fascist Rule strategy.

When you round up a few hundred people for Fascist reasons and they resist, the people doing the rounding up can shoot first to kill as they fear their lives are in danger. It protects them from prosecution.

--
Jacob Matthan
http://jmpolitics.blogspot.com
http://MoveTheUN.blogspot.com
Oulu, Finland

[radfringe]

7. just think of the merchandising....

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. I don't think it's safe to live in Florida anymore.

It really has become a place for liars, thieves and now, killers.

[blogbear]

10. A place known for election 'irregularities' too..

[The Backlash Cometh]

13. That's where the "liars and thieves" part comes in.

[blogbear]

14. amen! that must be from their 'thief in the night' sermon..

[Solly Mack]

9. to the last person standing!

Gun Fight at OK Coral Gables!

I get the feeling this law will not be considered a valid defense for everyone

[corbett]

11. It's Practical As Well As Fascist

Sure, this bill is wonderful news for fascists and bigots. It's also practical. See, Jeb wants to run for President. I'm not sure whether it will be 2008 or 2012 but I'm betting on 2008. Karl Rove knows that Frist is a long shot to win the nomination against McCain so he's recommending the "family legacy" angle. Besides, Jeb is owed LARGE quantities for payback for assuring that his brother "won" in 2000 and 2004. Without Jeb, Al Gore would be president at this very moment!

The Force With Force law is the perfect way for Jeb to distinguish himself to a pair of core groups within the Republican party, the extreme-right evangelicals who love "An eye for an eye" and, of course, the NRA.

Begin Catholic, Jeb ordinarily wouldn't stand a chance of receiving support from evangelicals during the primary. Now, between his tireless efforts in the Schiavo matter and his Force For Force law, he's on their radar screen. Senator McCain should watch out. We could see a repeat of the baseless slurs of 2000. If that comes to pass, it will be interesting to see how McCain tries to cash in his chits with the White House which he is owed after campaigning for the shrub's reelection and privatization scheme.

Anyone have video of his daughter smoking crack? We need to make sure that there are ample copies of good quality to begin circulating NOW!

[Fifth of Five]

21. Ding, ding, ding

We have a winner.

It's absolutely about "the base." It's not about making anyone safer.

How many innocent bystanders have to be shot before people realize that gunfights in public areas will not be good for public safety?

[cornermouse]

12. Florida Roulette?

Jeopardy?
Wheel of Misfortune?
The Price wasn't Right?
The Shooting Game?

[Jack_DeLeon]

15. I dont think anything is wrong with that law....

I seriously think everyone jumping up and down and saying the law is stupid are seriously exaggerating it.

In Texas you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe that your life is in danger or if you feel that you are at risk of serious harm.

That means anywhere, "in the mall, in a public park, even in your office." Violence just doesnt happen in some dark alley it can happen anywhere.

From what I've read Florida's "new" law is exactly what Texas law has been for a while.

[Fifth of Five]

22. Good point

"In Texas you can use deadly force if you reasonably believe that your life is in danger or if you feel that you are at risk of serious harm.

That means anywhere, "in the mall, in a public park, even in your office." Violence just doesnt happen in some dark alley it can happen anywhere.

From what I've read Florida's "new" law is exactly what Texas law has been for a while."


Since the law has been apparently completely unnecessary in Texas, why does Florida need it?

It's all about appeasing the base.

Just wait until someone tries to use this law and kills an innocent. It only takes once (I hope) for the sh!t to hit the fan.

[Jack_DeLeon]

23. What do you mean...

I'm sure those that have used deadly force to protect themselves dont think its completely useless.

[fishnfla]

26. Yes they are pointing to the Texas law as support

The claim is that the Texas law has reduced violent crime there. If so, good, but I think during that time violent crime was reduced nationwide.

[LdyGuique]

34. I'm not especially opposed

Actually, there were a lot of nuances to the issue. First, 10 states have this law -- it's in reaction to various self-defense shootings that sent the person to jail because he/she didn't back up, run away, or just submit. Threatening behavior can be extremely intimidating to some people. Also, it was pointed out that one must be registered to carry the gun or it would be a felony act. And, there are many public places where carrying a load gun is illegal -- such as public sporting events, and most likely, the mall.

Because many senior citizens have been victims of young thugs, and going to the firing ranges -- it might just turn the tables.

I'm not especially opposed as there hasn't been a rash of shootings in these other states that have the same law. I do know that I'm tired of women being victims and as a fast approaching senior, I'd have to withhold judgment. If we're going to have guns, we might as well consider law-abiding citizens being armed unless we're willing to double or triple the police force.

[gpandas]

16. i''m buying a gun...

or two or three.

[LostinVA]

17. Seriously: Does this mean Disney World, Universal, etc.?

I know they search for weapons now. How will tourists feel knowing firearms can be brought into a theme park? God -- high noon at Cinderella Castle.

Can businesses ban weapons from their premises?

[Jack_DeLeon]

18. People already carry handguns at Disney World....

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=120748

on your 2nd part some states have laws on that, so it depends on the state.

In Texas you have to have a very specific type of sign posted at your business, if you do then it would be illegal to carry a concealed weapon there.

If a state doesnt have laws like that then the answer would be no. You could always however ask the person to leave assuming you know they are carrying and if they dont call the police because they are trespassing. However if someone is armed and trespassing they probably already have other things in mind.

[LostinVA]

19. OH MY GAWD

I am not anti-gun, okay? But WHY do you need to carry an S&W airlite at WDW? I just don't get this.

Man, oh man... I've been there a few times, and am going next January to run the half marathon with my sister. This is kinda freaky, when I think about this and the new law...

When I lived in Wilmington, NC, and a CCW law was passed, businesses were allowed to ban firearms from their premises. It is very strange to me WDW doesn't do this already.

[LostinVA]

20. Some of the messages in that thread you linked are rather

Disturbing.... needing to use deadly force on Main Street? Michael Moore's extremest views? Screw the laws, I'll carry my gun if I want? Dude chuckling while the guard searches his pack,a nd he's carrying his gun in a holster?

I grew up skeet shooting and doing NRA (before they became crazy anti-guy type folks) .22 rifle target shooting. So, I am NOT anti-gun. But, this all seems strange to me. Can any DUers who hold these views explain this to me? I'm not trying to start anything, I just don't understand needing a gun on Disney property. Maybe parts of Kissimmee after dark... ( I lived there for a year...)

[Jack_DeLeon]

24. personally....

I wouldnt carry in an amusement park just because I want to ride the rides and I would fear that I would lose my weapon on one, however I can understand the people who carry thier weapon everywhere.

There are alot of things people always carry with them everywhere such as thier wallet, watch, pen, lighter, knife, a gun is just something else. If you are always carrying it its understandable to see it just like everything else.

[MisterP]

30. heck, Chimpy signed a law in Texas that allows guns in nursing homes,

churches, and amusement parks

[FreedomAngel82]

36. Seriously?

In a CHURCH and NURSING HOME?!?!? My God.

[qanda]

25. Oh joy!!!

Now they can just shoot the little bratty five year old, since she must have been such a threat that she needed to be shackled.

[annabanana]

27. people can shoot anyone anywhere if you think you are danger

I personally am terrified by bible toting fundamentalists. There are plenty of folks automatically "threatened" by any group of teenage boys walking towards them down the sidewalk.

Is anyone taking odds on when the first tragedy occurs on account of this incredibly stupid law?

[SlavesandBulldozers]

32. apologies in advance from Florida

we are a, um, problematic state.

[wuushew]

28. This was on the CBS news last night

from the way it was presented the major change in this law is that the potential shooter doesn't have to attempt to flee the situation before using deadly force.

[Jack_DeLeon]

31. I dont see anything wrong with that....

I'm certainly not a marathon runner, if I'm being attacked by someone why should I have to take my chances and try to run.

[fishnfla]

29. innocent people will be hurt by this law

and guilty people will commit murder using it.

[FreedomAngel82]

38. Speaking of which

something I just thought of: how is this law supposed to help fight the "war on terrorisim"?

[radar]

33. Reckon that'll hurt the tourism industry . n/t

[oneighty]

37. Is the crime rate in Florida

so high that citizens must provide their own 'Police' protection? That is pretty sad.

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