Does anyone have a list of issues Clinton "Co-opted" from the pukes?

[wuushew]

I hear this all the time. Why would Clinton ever steal any ideas from the Republicans, especially the certifiably insane ones in Congress during the 1990's?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

1. Welfare reform for starters.

[CRYINGWOLFOWITZ]

2. its called triangulation man, and it is the strategy of winners

welfare reform, tax cuts, deficit reduction, spending restraint, being tough on crime, pro business economics, the list just keeps on giving.

[CWebster]

9. Hmmm

Not sure the Clark campaign is connecting with the progressive base...

[ShimokitaJer]

14. It's called capitulation and it's pathetic

Why should the powerbrokers care whether the Dems or Repubs are in power if they are doing what they're paid to do?

[Bandit]

3. One hundred thousand cops on the streets

After he actually got that one passed they started crying about how much it costs. Remember their old standby was Democrats are soft on crime.

[HereSince1628]

4. they fill a book

read Cristopher Hutchins: "No one left to lie to: the triangulations of William Jefferson Clinton."


I am not saying this book doesn't have an edge but it lays out the issue plainly enough.

BTW: Triangulation really works only for people with charisma. Once the issues are taken off the table that's all that is left.

It worked for Clinton, it wouldn't work for Kucinich. It might work for Clark, women find him cute, soldiers notice his perfume.

[wuushew]

6. So when does one apply the tactic of triangulation?

When you either don't want to debate the issues or you can't win a partisan vote?

What the hell did Clinton ever really advocate besides his failed national healthcare initiative? Peace in Ireland?

[sangh0]

10. Answer

What the hell did Clinton ever really advocate besides his failed national healthcare initiative? Peace in Ireland?

There was that. Then there's also:

Peace in the Mid East
Peace in the Bosnia, Kosovo, and Serbia
Peace in Rwanda (though he did a poor job of it)
Peace in Somalia
Energy taxes
middle class tax cuts
progressive tax rates
EITC
Motor Voter Bill
Brady Bill
NAFTA
Hate Crimes
more police
civil rights
eliminating racial profiling
catching terrorists

and that's just off the top of my head

[CWebster]

13. NAFTA? Oh yeah, NAFTA

Wrong list, man.

[CWebster]

11. Triangulation

was a Dick Morris strategy.

That should tell you something.

[sangh0]

5. Tough on crime

welfare reform
DOMA
strong and active military
AA - mend it, don't end it (not a co-opt, but it borrowed heavily)
smaller govt

[Uzybone]

7. Adultery n/t

n/t

[wuushew]

8. I thought that was Newt Gingrich's issue?

among others

[CWebster]

12. Telecommunications and a whole host

of deregulating trends and corporate pandering.

Wages for most Americans were flat during the Clinton years while the top % increased dramatically.

DOMA, Don't ask, Don't tell...

[sangh0]

15. Wrong

1) deregulation of telecommunications was not a part of triagulation. It wa an attempt to get campaign donations

2) Corporate pandering - again, not triangulation

3) Don't ask, don't tell was not Clinton's idea. It was forced on him by Bob Dole and the Repukes.

Triangulation is an offensive strategy, not defensive. Those three were defensive actions, and so they weren't triangulation.

[CWebster]

16. the thread wasn't about triangulation

only, was it?

He compromised on many issues that weren't specifially repuke proposals, just repuke-like policies.