Just got off phone with republican family member

[holiday]

going on and on about school levy that she is trying so hard to pass. She was even talking about how the school can barely function because the state cut money to the schools (we are in ohio). How people don't want to pay taxes to get good quality education etc... It's just so funny that she doesn't find any of this ironic? lol...

[YellowRubberDuckie]

1. Ohio has a state lottery to take care of the needs of the schools...

And it's a law that a certain amount always goes to them(at least this is what I've been told). She's full of shit.
Duckie

[elehhhhna]

8. Nope-- Politicians say the $$ will go o the schools, & it does, then they

funding from other sources, leaving the schools funding flat. (At least in IL & TX).

Smoke & mirrors.

[recoveringrepublican]

21. and Florida I believe

I'm still not sure how it works. Down here they have lottery billboards showing the pot value with "14 billion given to educating" and in smaller letters "since 1989". I asked my hubby, life time Florida resident, how it worked and he said that basically the lottery is NOT a supplement to education here.

[Maeve]

15. That's how it was sold, but it doesn't work out that way

Plus, our Supreme Court declared the way the state fund education to be unconstitutionally unequal 11 years ago...and it's still not fixed. Most of the funding is still local property tax.

My district is trying for the third time to get a levy passed. We haven't had a rise in operating funds in 10 years and have built at least six new schools since then(population has soared).

[Liberal Veteran]

2. Cognitive dissonance.

We have the same problem in Washington State. People whine and gripe and complain about roads, service cuts, etc....but they are the same people who are out their promoting the latest Tim Eyman anti-tax initiative.

[renaissanceguy]

11. It's funny they're always the people who say

"There's no such thing as a free lunch." Well, ya want roads, ya gotta pay for them. Ya want an education, ya gotta pay for it.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.14741193

[trotsky]

3. Yup, there's lots of them.

The parents of a girl who goes to kindergarten with our son are uber-Republicans (from Texas, even). They even raked a big "W" into their leaves last fall. :puke:

Anyway, our local school district was faced with the decision to close one of two schools, one of which being the one our kids attend.

My oh my did she lead the charge saying how unfair this was, there just HAD to be money, yada yada yada.

It was all my wife & I could do to say, "It's the party YOU vote for that has taken all the money away, idiot."

Maybe it's time we liberals started being rude like that. I dunno.

[leftchick]

20. they deliberatly don't make the connection to lack of federal

funding to states cutting back. I have heard more than one repuke blame it on the state. I always say, have you even noticed how much federal funding has been slashed? Duh!

[trotsky]

22. Hehe, they have a hard time doing that here in Minnesota now.

With a Repuke governor (who's doing the SAME thing as * - just passing costs one level down in government) calling the shots, they have no idea where to pass blame. It's quite funny watching their little minds struggle to make sense of it all. ("There MUST be a Democrat SOMEWHERE we can blame!")

[TahitiNut]

4. "Just like a Republican; borrow and spend, borrow and spend!"

:evilgrin: Rinse. Repeat.

Liberals are concerned when their neighbor's ox is gored.
Conservatives are only concerned when their own ox is gored.
:shrug:

[havocmom]

10. like the sentiment, but we need a change in the language

the ox was bushwhacked. Gore had nada to do with it! ;)

[liberal N proud]

5. Did you explain to her the reason the State cut the money is

because the republican run federal government cut the money to the states on education?
I

[hector459]

6. Precisely what I was about to suggest. It only matters if you tell them

why. Keep repeating it over and over again. It's the same tactic the Republicans use to drum in a message.

[wakeme2008]

12. And a lot of State Income taxes where cut by the Paris Hilton tax cut.

A lot of States only tax what the Feds tax.

[rocktivity]

7. Bush tax cuts at work

What Bush doesn't mention about the tax cuts is the states have to make up the lack revenue.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Warpy]

9. I don't suppose that "You're getting what you voted for"

would be appropriate, unless you want to be ejected from the family and disinherited.

I keep wondering what it's going to take for these poor dim souls to start connecting the dots.

[holiday]

13. I didn't bring up Bush (it would be futile) but did bring up Taft

and told her he was rated one of the worst governors and how he is the one to cut the money etc... she didn't say anything both times I brought his name up. I told her that even one of my republican friends can't stand Taft and that he has majorally screwed up Ohio.

[flyarm]

14. tell her to "get over it"..and then send her this

and tell her this is why the school has no money..and tell her to send a " thank you note" to the * administration!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7574562/print/1/displaymode/1098/


snip:


"The bill includes $12 billion in tax breaks over 10 years and subsidies for energy companies, more than the Bush administration said it wanted. Nevertheless the White House strongly endorsed the measure.

Additive issue a DeLay priority
The MTBE liability issue has been a top priority for DeLay, who was instrumental in getting into the legislation a measure that would funnel $2 billion over 10 years for research into recovering oil and gas from extremely deep areas of the Gulf of Mexico.


The House version of the bill has come under attack from Democrats, who say it would funnel billions of dollars to highly profitable energy companies while doing little to promote conservation or ease gasoline prices."

MSNBC - House approves $12 billion energy package MSNBC.com
House approves $12 billion energy package
Measure must be reconciled with Senate version yet to be passed

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 8:13 p.m. ET April 21, 2005


WASHINGTON - The House on Thursday approved a $12 billion energy bill backed by the White House that contains incentives to increase domestic production of crude oil, natural gas, coal, nuclear and other energy sources.

The broad bill, approved by a 249-183 vote, also contains provisions to allow oil drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, to shield makers of a gasoline additive from water contamination lawsuits and to boost production of ethanol, a corn-distilled fuel additive.

The largely Republican-crafted bill was approved after two days in which the GOP majority turned back repeated attempts by Democrats to add measures they said would reduce energy use, including a proposal for higher automobile fuel economy requirements.

The bill includes $12 billion in tax breaks over 10 years and subsidies for energy companies, more than the Bush administration said it wanted. Nevertheless the White House strongly endorsed the measure.


White House endorses bill
"This is a comprehensive piece of legislation, and it does address one of the fundamental problems facing our nation and that is that we are growing more dependent on foreign sources of energy," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan.

[DebinTx]

16. I'd tell them it's that Bush Economic Miracle at work.

along with not funding NCLB.

[Zorra]

17. Of course, it's Clinton's fault. n/t

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. Did you ask, "So NOW taxes aren't evil and excessive???" n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. Unbelievable. They just can't open their eyes, can they?

My niece lives in D.C. and her son goes to 1st grade in one of the public schools there. She has had to raise money for a new ROOF, new flooring and supplies. She said the saddest thing is, about 2 blocks away is another public school where mostly poor kids go and their school is even worse, but THEY can't afford to raise the money for the needed work. It's so sad that our children are being robbed of a decent education because of the greed of repuke voters whose kids go to VERY NICE public/private schools and poor repuke voters who just don't understand what they're voting for.

I wonder why G-d has given poor kids terrible schools and rich kids brand new, well funded, beautiful school? :grr: