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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:20 AM
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"State a fact, ruin a Liberal's day"
Some ass-wipe posted this on a web-site I visit - I've seen "fact" posts here in the past - I'd like a general fact post that will fit into a post so I can set this jackass back in his place. What kind of ass hole could state such a bass-ackwards thing anyway? :rofl:

Any links would be appreciated...
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:22 AM
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1. Fact: There haven't been WMDs in Iraq since the early 1990's.
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dcfirefighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:23 AM
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2. Depends on what you count as WMDs
They've had Mustard more recently. But it's not really a threat to the CONUS.
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Randi_Listener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:34 AM
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14. I have mustard in the fucking 'fridge.
Saddam had Jack-Shit Poison Gas.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:36 PM
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56. LOL! n/t
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:35 AM
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15. Watch out for that Ketchup!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:45 AM
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21. Yeah, I remember the mustard gas they found.
Three 20yr old artillery shells left over from the Iran/Iraq war, so severely degraded that they wouldn't be dangerous to anyone more than 20 feet away.

That was big news six months after the invasion.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:51 AM
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38. Baloney!
Iraq has had NO militarily useful gas stockpile since the early '90's.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:24 AM
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3. Fact: FDR, During The Depression & WWII. . .
. . .did not run up deficits as high as Reagan and Bush. No excuses for the Cold War, or War on Terror. FDR dealt with WWII and a Depression caused by his idiot predecessors, and still didn't run up deficits as high. And yes, those are adjusted for differences in dollar value between the 30's, the 80's and today.

There's a fact for you. The party of fiscal responsibility is INCAPABLE of handling the federal budget.

The Professor
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:26 AM
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5. Fact: FDR did not have to feed the military-industrial complex
Because it didn't exist to fund Republican warmongers.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:40 AM
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Oh Yes He Did
He had to feed the war machine to fight WWII. And he did with less deficit spending than the two goons the Repubs revere.

The money was likely much better and more wisely spent, and there was less pork and useless development during a time of full world-wide conflagration. But, he still had to feed the war machine, and did so far more efficiently than Ronnie and Li'l Georgie.
The Professor
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:04 AM
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28. That's not exactly true.
It wasn't until after WWII that we had companies set up whose sole operation was the construction of military apparatus. During WWII, things like car factories were converted to assist the building of tanks and aircraft. We don't do that any more because there's a separate industry that profits directly from war. For example, Raytheon changed over from an appliance company after the war and Northrop Grumman was formed in 1939 specifically as a war aircraft manufacturer.

However, prior to this, there was little to no corporate specialization the way we know it today. It was certainly not the driving force behind elections, and certainly not a driving force behind creating new wars.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:39 PM
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45. No Argument
But, he still had to employ deficit spending to feed the war machine. And yet he did it without hitting the levels that the two buffoons i mentioned before both did.

The industry was, indeed, very different, but money spent is money spent. He managed to feed the need to supply materiel for the world's most profound conflagration, and really didn't have a choice. All this while feeding social security and getting it stable, and remanaging the entire, previously collapsed economy.

His deficit spending was excusable, yet he still didn't borrow to the level we're seeing today. I think that's pretty amazing.
The Professor
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:49 PM
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60. I don't disagree with you at all.
My only point is that there's a "hidden hand" driving both the deficit spending AND the need for war. None of FDR's VPs had ties to what little military industrial complex that existed either. Our points aren't mutually exclusive. :hi:
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:51 PM
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61. Then We Agree Completely
Different contexts, to be sure, but my original post was based upon the fact that despite the depression and WWII, FDR ran up lesser deficits than Reagan and Li'l Georgie. I didn't intend to get into the causative side until you brought it up. So, i think we're in complete agreement on all sides of the debate. We were just looking at it from different perspectives. I didn't elaborate on purpose, because i thought the OP was just looking for a "shut up" factoid.
The Professor
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:55 PM
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62. It is ironic that these fools just signed a bankruptcy law
When they can't even follow republican tradition of fiscal responsibility. Absolutely stunning actually.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 02:01 PM
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63. Stunningly Stupid, I Think You Mean!
Or stunningly duplicitous. Your phrase just screamed out for a more descriptive adjective!
The Professor
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thoughtanarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:25 AM
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4. Fact: "supply side" economics is a miserable failure twice confirmed.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:30 AM
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Fact: It does NOT "trickle down."
Fact: Cutting taxes does NOT increase revenues.

There's so much mythology in their fiscal policies!
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:37 AM
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16. Another $ Fact: Part of your taxes are wasted paying interest on the DEBT
which has ballooned again under BushCo. I don't think rightwingers even realize that. (What percentage is that interest now, at one point I think it was 11%? Am I way off?)
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:50 AM
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23. Here's a source, although from 2003
American taxpayers paid $332.5 billion in interest last year on the national debt. This huge payment, equal to 11 percent of the total federal budget, does not improve education, enhance homeland security, or rebuild Iraq. It merely services the $6.6 trillion (and growing) national debt. These interest payments are a "debt tax" -- a tax that drains income without producing any material benefits for taxpayers.

This references 6.6 trillion --we're now above 7 trillion, so it's higher.

Today's average American household pays an astounding $3,153 in taxes annually just to service the debt -- about enough to lease a car for a year. These debt tax payments are required because of the fiscal irresponsibility of previous federal budgets.

A government running a large national debt is like an individual running a big balance on a credit card. Most American households use credit cards, and more than half of cardholders carry over credit card debt from one month to the next. But few would go as far as the federal government currently does; today's national debt is the equivalent of a whopping $62,000 on each family's credit card. And each month, the debt is rolled over, with no plans to pay down the principal.


http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2003/11/03/the_biggest_tax_is_debt/
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:26 AM
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33. I for one, am tired of being trickled on.. (n/t)
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:27 AM
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6. Fact: Saddam did not attack us on 9/11/01.
State a fact and watch a republican develop memory loss.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:28 AM
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7. Fact: RepubliCONs need prunes in their diet
Because 99.9% of them are full of shit!
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:28 AM
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8. He must've meant
"Make up a fact, any outrageous bullshit, and wave it in a liberal's face. It don't have to be true, most of what we say ain't true"
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:30 AM
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9. George W. Bush is a fucking asshole. Eh. That made me kinda happy.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:30 AM
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10. I use this one sometimes
Whenever someone claims that Boosh doesn't lie, I just reply, "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently tried to acquire large amounts of uranium from Africa."

That's not the exact wording, I don't think, but people recognize it pretty quickly.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:30 AM
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11. Bush refused to read the Hart-Rudman Report on Global Terror handed to him
on Jan 30, 2001, that also included urgent proposals for homeland security. Cheney and Rice ignored it, too. That ruined the day for about 3000 people and their families and fellow citizens on Sept. 11, 2001.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:33 AM
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13. Good one
The Vice-President's anti-terrorism task force never held a single meeting.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:16 AM
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30. These are the facts about 9-11 that the media will not discuss in fear the
American people will really understand how incompetent the Bush administration is at their job.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:31 AM
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12. Or
Incidents of international terrorism have risen dramatically since the US invaded Iraq.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:38 AM
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17. The reason we went to War is in Cheney's Energy Task Force
And conservatives would love to have liberal soldiers die so that the American Public does not get to see the secret document.

Fact - Conservatives are bad ass motherfuckers, when in a group.

Fact - The Army is not meeting its goal because conservatives are not bad ass motherfuckers when alone.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:40 AM
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18. Fact: The Stock Market does better under Democratic Presidents
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:41 AM
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19. 38 repub senators voted against funding armored humvees for "the troops"
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:43 AM
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20. FACT: Military recruiting is below quota.
Tell your fact-finding little freeper friend to go join up or shut up.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:45 AM
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22. Isn't it amazing
How the badasses can wave the flags and strut like peacocks with their fake patriotism and yet the Army is missing recruiting goals month after month. Of course, lets not let facts get in the way of their strutting.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:54 AM
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25. Amazing and disgusting.
I have zero tolerance for stay-at-home patriots. The kind that likes to watch a good war on teevee to make them feel proud to be Americans.
They claim to love their country but have other priorities when it comes to serving in uniform.

Like the young republicans who were quoted as saying they supported the Iraq war but felt they were doing better for their country by staying home "to lead." I laughed my ass off when I saw that. But there's millions of them.

We have facts and guts on our side and we will win. Fascism is making it's last stand in the United States and we are taking the rotten sons-a-btches down!

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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:33 AM
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35. "Fascism's last stand"
I like that!
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:51 AM
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24. Bush, Rice and Ashcroft are guilty of gross criminal negligence
for doing nothing to prevent the terrorist attacks on 9/11, despite urgent warnings from the CIA and Richard Clarke and from within the FBI.

Bush and Cheney are guilty of conspiracy and fraud for awarding illegal no-bid contracts worht billions to Halliburton in post-war Iraq.

Bush and Cheney are guilty of lying to the congress regarding Iraq's non-existant WMD and connections to al Qaeda in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq.

Bush and Rumsfeld are guilty of violations of international law for allowing and in some cases authorizing the torture of prisoners in Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba and other off-shore locations.

The first three are impeachable offenses. The fourth could land you in front of a war-crimes tribunal in the Hague. How's that for starters?
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:57 AM
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26. Fact: Republicans are liars
Tax cuts for the rich have never 'stimulated' an economy.

Bush didn't do anything to protect America from terrorist attacks in 2001.

Iraq didn't have nuclear weapons, WMD, missiles, or al Qaeda ties.

Privatizing Social Security will hurt Social Security, not help it.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 10:57 AM
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27. Hmmm, I thought someone had posted a nice summary of facts
Like a list of some sort - it was very informative. That's the sort of thing I'm looking for - overwhelming firepower...
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:10 AM
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29. Tell Me precisely
Edited on Fri Apr-22-05 11:11 AM by chlamor
what you want and I will post a fact sheet for you. I am not able to listen to the link but possess a compendium of facts as relates to Iraq/Saddam/Misinformation. Just need to know what you want.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:57 AM
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41. Thanks for the offer...
I almost wish I hadn't posted this here - I didn't realize it would be such an anger generator. I was so annoyed at that statement that I just wanted to find the link to the post here that generally discounted everything that Dumbya ever has and ever will stand for. I wish I could remember where I saw it...
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chlamor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:19 AM
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31. Here are a few things you may have heard
In 1992, a year after the first Gulf War, I heard Dick Cheney, then secretary of defense, say that the US had been wise not to invade Baghdad and get ‘bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq’. I heard him say: ‘The question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth? And the answer is: not that damned many.’

In February 2001, I heard Colin Powell say that Saddam Hussein ‘has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours.’

That same month, I heard that a CIA report stated: ‘We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its weapons of mass destruction programmes.’

In July 2001, I heard Condoleezza Rice say: ‘We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.’

On 11 September 2001, six hours after the attacks, I heard that Donald Rumsfeld said that it might be an opportunity to ‘hit’ Iraq. I heard that he said: ‘Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not.’


I heard that on 17 September the president signed a document marked top secret that directed the Pentagon to begin planning for the invasion and that, some months later, he secretly and illegally diverted $700 million approved by Congress for operations in Afghanistan into preparing for the new battle front.

In February 2002, I heard that an unnamed ‘senior military commander’ said: ‘We are moving military and intelligence personnel and resources out of Afghanistan to get ready for a future war in Iraq.’

I heard the president say that Iraq is ‘a threat of unique urgency’, and that there is ‘no doubt the Iraqi regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised’.

I heard the vice president say: ‘Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.’


I heard the president, in the State of the Union address, say that Iraq was hiding materials sufficient to produce 25,000 litres of anthrax, 38,000 litres of botulinum toxin, and 500 tons of sarin, mustard and nerve gas.

I heard the president say that Iraq had attempted to purchase uranium – later specified as ‘yellowcake’ uranium oxide from Niger – and thousands of aluminium tubes ‘suitable for nuclear weapons production’.

I heard the vice president say: ‘We know that he’s been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons.’

I heard Donald Rumsfeld say: ‘Some have argued that the nuclear threat from Iraq is not imminent. I would not be so certain.’

I heard Colin Powell say: ‘I’m absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We’re just getting it now.’

I heard the president say: ‘We’ll find them. It’ll be a matter of time to do so.’

I heard Donald Rumsfeld say: ‘We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad, and east, west, south and north, somewhat.’


I heard Donald Rumsfeld say: ‘No terrorist state poses a greater or more immediate threat to the security of our people.’


I heard Donald Rumsfeld say: ‘I don’t believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons.’

I heard Donald Rumsfeld say: ‘The Coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq’s pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. We acted because we saw the evidence in a dramatic new light, through the prism of our experience on 9/11.’

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v27/n03/wein01_.html


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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:25 AM
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32. Facts to liberals are those that can be backed by a
credible source, such as a historical document, scientific study, or from actual quotes made by people who should know. Can you back your facts this way?

For instance, the WMD fact has been discredited. There is a load of documentation out there stating as such, starting with the weapons inspectors before the Iraq War, like Scott Ritter and Hans Blix, to today where there are sources all the way up to the White House and Pentagon, who admit that there weren't any WMDs after all. Ooops.
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Tactical Progressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:30 AM
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34. Facts to Republicans are whatever they want them to be
no proof, counter-proof or obvious falseness notwithstanding.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:46 AM
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36. This is why a statement like the one that headlined
this thread is so stupid. You just have to throw it back in their faces. Make them back up what they say. They can't. They just run off at the mouth and then run away when you hold their feet to the fire long enough.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:56 AM
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40. This is the biggest problem facing this Nation right now.
Millions of easily manipulated people.

Too intellectually lazy to consider the source of their information.

They want to be told what they want to hear. What they want to hear is anything that supports their racist prejudices and hatred for anything foreign (ironic in a nation of immigrants).

The corporate elite (e.g. Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife) spend a lot of money on propaganda. But the money is well-invested in a country full of poorly educated and easily manipulated people.

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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:49 AM
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37. Yeah, if that was said to me I'd say, "Name ONE fact, just ONE"
Dipshits.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:53 AM
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39. FACT: Clinton surplus, Bush deficit
Then when this is brought up, a bunch of stupid cons will demonstrate that they dont know the difference between the debt and a deficit.

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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 11:59 AM
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42. Fact: Bush has no plan to save Social Security
yet bitches that the Democrats haven't united behind a plan of their own.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:00 PM
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43. Fact: Bush steals FICA revenues to give tax breaks to billionaires.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:11 PM
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44. here is some good information
Edited on Fri Apr-22-05 12:14 PM by FLDem5
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:41 PM
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58. Thanks!!
The entire first one is there for them to read :D
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moindependent Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 12:54 PM
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46. The second amendment is an individual right
...just like the rest of the Bill of Rights. Guns kill people as much as spoons made Rosie a fat bitch. The Declaration of Independence cites every man's right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", not "a cheap apartment, cable, and all the Ho-Ho's you and your 5 illegitimate children can eat".

Oops....those are facts that make socialists mad. My bad.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:02 PM
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47. Fact: IMF, WTO, World Bank measures fail without exception
in improving developing nation's economies that is, of course they succeed perfectly in turning those nations into debt slaves of the West.

Seriously, can anyone name even one example where these institutions have delivered on their publicly stated goals?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:04 PM
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48. FACTS; the rightwingnuttery's biggest fear.
Some Iraq FACTS (aka "bush is a big fat stupid liar");

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=673224

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3135341

Tora Bora FACTS (aka rightwingers are big fat stupid idiots);

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1150076

Republicans are girly-men soft on defense & always gutting the military FACTS;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3249504

Some examples of FACTS;

With the exception of Ronald Reagan, every Cold War Republican president actually cut military spending.

Every Cold War Democratic President increased it.

Republican Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon, and Ford cut defense while Democrats Kennedy, Johnson and Carter increased defense spending.

http://www.cdi.org/issues/milspend.html

hth. :)
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:12 PM
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49. If rightwingnuts love FACTS, then how come they don't KNOW any???
Rightwingnuts still think Iraq had WMD.

Rightwingnuts still think we found WMD in Iraq.

Rightwingnuts still think the world majority supported bush's invasion of Iraq.

Rightwingnuts still think Iraq did 911.

Rightwingnuts still think Hussein was in bed with bin Laden.

Rightwingnuts were wrong about bush's position on foreign policies on ALL BUT ONE issue.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html

It ain't "libruls" that are oblivious to the FACTS.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:40 PM
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57. Thanks you!
I used your material!
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:16 PM
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50. FACT: Rumsfeld has insinuated that we are going to attack Iran
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drdtroit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:16 PM
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51. "Confront them with the truth, watch a Re-pug implode!" n/t
:patriot:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:23 PM
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52. Here's a few.
BUSH'S RESUME # 2

George W. Bush Resume


Past work experience:


Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.

With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas. Accomplishments:


Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America.
Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments as president:


Attacked and took over two countries.

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by anypresident in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than anypresident since the advent of television.

Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.

Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.

First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.

Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.

Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References:



At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.

For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)




Clinton
Clinton Policies

Tried to get Universal Health Care
National Health Care Costs rising at 10% per annum. Cut to 3%
Deficit Reduction Package
Crime Bill
100,000 cops on street—crime down down down
Welfare Reform-- Mend do not end. GOP helped bit time
80% increase in child welfare payments
Job Growth-Record 236,000 per month. (Reagan/Bush 167,000)
Largest percentage of Americans working in history
Largest Home Ownership in history
Record number of small business formations
Tax Cut for 15 million working families
Family and Medical Leave Act
Defense Reinvest and Conversion—Bush enjoying weapons created by Clinton
Direct loan programs for students
Guts to put promises in a book "Putting People First"-58 promises in book. Took action on 56 in first two years.
Second best record in history for getting legislation through Congress in first to years. LBJ number one.
Reinvented Government—cut payroll
Fewest number of civilians on federal payroll in 36 years
Attacked cop killing nasty rifle association.
Attacked the cancer inducing tobacco industry
Promoted a global effort to ban abusive forms of child labor
Loan 12.8 Billion to Mexico. Made 800 Million profit. Kept Mexico afloat.
Wash. Post kept list of campaign promises. 162. Took action on 96% in first two years.
Took on prejudice toward other Americans in military
Took on his own Southern Baptist Church
Hard smart work in Middle East and Bosnia-Kosovo
Honored with all of the following:
Dove of Peace Award
Rabin-Peres Peace Award
Gandhi Peace Award
Order of Good Hope Award
Nominated for Nobel Peace Award
Northern Ireland Peace Agreement
Lifeaholics of America Award for Quarter Century "Working for a Life Not Just A Living".
First President to visit Northern Ireland
Cleanup of Toxic sites. Record
Increasing weekly earnings
Shoo Shoo Saddam get away from Kuwait
Stopping Haitians from drowning enroute to freedom
First to visit South Africa
First to make a determined effort to help the African continent come together and grow together
Taxing top 1.2% of very wealthy to get Zoom Zoom Boom economy
Stopping Republicans in the House from raiding Medicare of 181 Billion
Stopping Republicans raid on Medicaid
Stopping Republicans raid on education
Stopping Republicans attack on environment
Largest increase in Education funding since GI Bill
Increased funding for Head Start
Nafta.. A success until the Peso went south
Submitting 8 budgets close to rate of inflation
Brady Bill
Gaat
Assault Weapons Ban
Telling Japan "You take our auto parts or we will apply tariffs on you
California Desert Protection
Forest Management Plan for Northwest
Restoration of Florida Everglades
Preservation of land in Utah
Major increase in funding for homeless
Motor Voter Act
Lobbying Reform Effort. Handshake with Newt who reneged
Pressure to get Campaign Finance Reform.
National Export Strategy. Unbelievable success.
Over 250 Trade pacts
Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Pact
Summit of Americas
Super 301
Chemical Weapons Ban Treaty.
Bottom Up Review of Military
Agreement with Cuba to stop flow of immigrants to USA.
Ameri-Corps
Reduced Nuclear Threat Around the World
Community Banking Act
FEMA used as an active participant and a leader in disaster relief
Tax on well off social security beneficiaries
100,000 new teachers effort
5,000 new classroom effort
50% of classes thru K-12 on internet
Fourth Graders improvement on world tests
Lifetime Learning Opportunity Program
Controls on Spending and Borrowing
Pension Protection Act of 1994
Record high consumer confidence
Very, very, very low Misery Index
National Agenda on Racial Prejudices
First to get African-American unemployment under 10%
Balanced Budget
Record Corporate profits
Record Bank profits
Record Savings and Loan profits
Never whining despite non-sop smears and attacks
Not having a Mean Bone in his body per Historian David Maraniss
Not knowing how to hate
Classing others as "opponents" not "enemies"
Inviting your attackers to the White House functions
Inviting your defeated opponent Bob Dole to visit troops at Christmas
A national attack on hate crimes
Fighting to protect "legal" immigrants from Republicans in the House.
Fighting hard for Fast Track legislation
Kennedy and Kassenbaum Portability of Insurance
Lowest interest rates in 30 years
Allowing millions of homeowners to refinance home loans at lower (much) rates
Lowest unemployment in 25 years
Lowest inflation in 25 years
Lowest welfare rolls in 27 years
Lowest crime Rates in 25 years
First balanced budget sent to Congress in 29 years
Protecting worker pensions (repeat?)
Opposed ban on "Late Term Abortions"
A stock market which passed a 1,000 mark six times
Greatest growth in federal revenues in history
Played Saxophone and Smoked Peace Pipe, instead of beating War Drums like____.
One of History's all time workers for Peace
President in a year when Fortune Magazine classified it as "Greatest Economy in the History of the world"
Popularity jump in the midst of a scandal.
President with highest peacetime popularity in Asia, Africa, Russia and Europe.
Highest popularity of any president at end of fifth year in office
One of the most highly regarded First Lady in History.
One of the most highly regarded Vice-President in History
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:33 PM
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54. Thanks you !!
Good stuff - exactly what I was looking for - along with many others above who I haven't thanked yet - thanks!! Woohoo - you all made my day!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:44 PM
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59. You're welcome! Those are 2 of my favorite files.
They really make a statement and contrast nicely. ;)
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:28 PM
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53. I would ask him to give me one of those day-ruining facts.
Not some vague, Fox News generality- but a simple, straight-forward fact. I would tell him he has one swing, and that should be more than enough since reality is so squarely set against me. No changing the subject. He has one fact and he has to stand by it.

I don't care what it is, you can cut it down. There is *nothing* that supports the Neocon world view anymore.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 01:35 PM
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55. Fact: Virtually every member of this administration
is a draft-dodging POS chickenhawk, and not a one of them has a son or daughter serving in the United States military. They're sending OUR sons and daughters to fight and die, not theirs!
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-22-05 02:54 PM
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64. Facts do ruin Liberals' days
Everytime I read facts in a newspaper about what the GOP is doing to our great nation, I want to cry.
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