As a Option to Gay Rights, Could I propose

[The Whiskey Priest]

Don’t tell me….I think that is a position that is a winner. I don’t want to know if you sleep with, marry, other sex or same sex. In my opinion if we got back to keeping our sexual proclivities out of the public realm it would be for the better.

Just get married, opposite sex or same sex…I don’t give a damn…what I do care about is that my paycheck is not covering the cost of raising a family.

[Zenlitened]

1. Okay, but no hetero family photos on office desks, either.

[LeftCoast]

6. Also, no talking about what you did on the weekend, etc

The whole problem with 'civil' don't ask don't tell, is that you just can't talk about your life outside of work. I do most everything with my partner...can't talk about it w/out outing myself. By the same token, straight folks shouldn't then be able to talk about all the chicks they scored with, the ski-trips they took with their GF/BF, the house they bought with their husband/wife...

It's a slippery slope and frankly, it'd just be easier if we could all feel free to share things like the above-mentioned stories. At this point, I just don't give a fuck. I freely and openly talk about all that stuff and if people have a problem with it they can go elsewhere. Tired of hiding. Tired of editing my speech. Just not going to do it anymore.

[The Whiskey Priest]

8. I agree....Straight or Gay...just keep it to yourself

I don't want to know...

[Lars39]

16. I've got a cave for sale, cheap.

[Swamp Rat]

59. LOL! n/t

[Donald Ian Rankin]

67. I wouldn't go that far,

But I must admit that there have been times when I've watched couples - usually straight, occasionally gay - "making out" in public that I would have voted for a complete "don't ask, don't tell, don't show" policy on all public sexuality, straight or gay, and a complete ban on physical contact more marked than hand-holding except in complete privacy. Misanthropy is something I think the world needs more off. I quite agree that homosexuals and heterosexuals should have the same rights to live in a family and the like, but there are times when I'm not sure that it wouldn't be better to clamp down on heterosexuality than to grant gays more rights.




In case anyone doesn't realise, this is (nearly) entirely tongue in cheek. I do get annoyed at excessive public displays of affection, though.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. Gee that's nice...we're getting laws passed against us BEING families

but...we so sorry to bother you, massa....we'll get to the back of the bus and shut up...don't whup us, massa!

[The Whiskey Priest]

9. You can be families.. and should be

just dont tell me if you are bedding a same sex or opposite sex...I could give a rat's ass who you shagged last night. I do care my paycehck is not keeping up with inflation.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. SO that's my fucking fault?

You should really go team up with the Minutemen supporters...between you and the Mexican haters there's loads of scapegoating to go around...try this...how about blaming the people who elected the fuck nut who made the price of everything go up?

[Zenlitened]

19. Ouch! I just got a paper-cut!

Damn them homersexurals!

:grr:

[The Whiskey Priest]

20. Hell I am not scapegoating anyone

My proposal applies to everyone...dont tell me about your sexual needs or desires or loves...that is private....and everyone has all the civil rights as does anyone else...and I mean all the civil rights regardless of who they love, sleep with, mess around, get to first base.....and all the other crap....keep it to yourself...dont let me know what you do in private.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

21. And what's that got to do with you being able to pay your bills?

[The Whiskey Priest]

24. The more I think about it...the more I see

It's not the gay community that is around the water cooler telling who they made out with...its the straights.

Okay, straights show a little more discretion on informing the world of your sexual adventures....take a cue from the gays.

[renaissanceguy]

66. There is a HUGE difference between

your own desire to not hear about other people's personal lives, and using the government to restrict everyone from free speech.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues.14741193

[varun]

44. us gay people support heterosexual's families...

...we pay taxes that educate your children in public schools...

[The Whiskey Priest]

47. that is true and its a fucking shame

you are denied justice and equal civil rights

[iconoclastNYC]

69. Who are these homosexuals who are holding you down

And tell you about who they are having sex with? WTF? Please give us some examples of how this happens in your life. I'm interested.

[Bluebear]

3. As an option to __________ rights is not negotiable

(fill in the blank)

Rights for any group should not be optioned away, rather expanded!

[imenja]

5. agree 100%

[imenja]

4. not a winning proposal

Gay people will tell you that heterosexuality is on display everywhere. Why shouldn't they have the same right to display their love for their partners as heterosexuals do? I agree. I don't expect a church to take an openly pro-gay position, but I do expect them to refer from homophobic language that can be used to justify hate crimes and denial of civil rights.

[The Whiskey Priest]

10. That is point....just keep your sexual preference to yourself

who ta hell cares if you are doing the "beast with two backs" with...it is none of my business or any one else's.

[davidinalameda]

12. preference?

what the hell?

my preference is for men close to my age, little older

not too much taller than me

blah blah blah

now if you talk about my sexual orientation, that's a whole different ballgame

[The Whiskey Priest]

14. Orientation or Preference

I don't give a shit...it is none of my business and is a bore to be assailed with the private goings on of others.

Eveyone...straight or gay...herto or homo just keep it to yourself. And, for god's sake...everyone has all the civil rights as does everyone else...whether or not they are using differing reproductive organs or not.

[davidinalameda]

62. bigotry is a bore as well

I'm gay, and it's pretty obvious that I'm gay. I'll never be confused for a straight man, thank the gods

it's part of who I am-just like a person's skin color, ethnicity, etc is part of who they are

it sets the stage so to speak of how we experience life and how people see us

it's not something that I'm going to hide and to ask me to do so, well other than saying piss off, there's not a lot I can say

[imenja]

35. what you are saying is keep homosexuality out of sight

so that straight people don't need to see it. But heterosexuality is in plain view all the time: in amusement parks, at the mall, high school proms, office Christmas parties . . . The list is endless. Your proposal is one that relegates gay people to second class citizenship and is thus, in my view, immoral.

[The Whiskey Priest]

48. I am saying keep straight sex out of sight

it is not a public thing...it is a private thing...so screw the public.

[imenja]

55. is that the burning social issue

public sex? Give me a break.

[imenja]

56. and what do you plan on doing with that nasty inconvenience

called children? They are a product of families, mainly but not exclusively heterosexual. Do we keep them out of sight too?

[The Whiskey Priest]

57. Children are wonderful

they are natural...why do we wax poetic about something natural...dont bore me with your kiddies when people are starving and dying....

[imenja]

58. this thread has become entirely incomprehensible

You make no sense whatsoever. :smoke:

[iconoclastNYC]

70. There is the key phrase that belies his true feelings

"natural"

think about it.

disrupters are becoming very crafty at finding the middle ground position that sows division and yet isn't obvious disruption, and here is a case....he's talking in the classic on the down low homophobia coded language,the sort that gave us "don't ask, don't tell"

[BattyDem]

7. So ...

go back into the closet and everything will be fine? I'm not gay and even I'm offended by that idea. Based upon the tone of your post, I don't think it was your intention to offend anyone, but what you're suggesting is that they go back to hiding and pretending.

Homosexuals aren't the ones making an issue of their sexuality - it's other people who make an issue of it. Holding hands, talking about the person you love or expessing some kind of public affection isn't "flaunting" - it's living. Straight people do stuff like that all the time ... why shouldn't gay people have the same right?

[The Whiskey Priest]

11. Hell I am not suggesting hiding..

I am suggesting discretion and privacy....just keep it private...it is none of my business how you achieve sexual organism or how you love.

[davidinalameda]

13. I've never reached "sexual organism"

I don't even know what "sexual organism" is

[The Whiskey Priest]

18. Oh man..that is way cool

Sexual Organism..is the ultimate...it when your partner reaches down and grabs your big toe..then...

[jdj]

15. no more strippers? no more hookers? no more girls gone wild?

no more howard stern? no more miss america contest?
no more of anything in the public realm that reveals anything about whether you are gay or straight?

no more tv, no more movies

no more public weddings, ever...

wow this is sounding better and better

[BattyDem]

I get what your saying ...

That's why I said I didn't believe you were trying to offend anyone. But "discretion" means there shouldn't be any public acknowledgment (or little public acknowledgement) of the fact that they love someone and are sharing their lives with them. No kissing, no hand-holding, no talking about a significant other, no photos on the desk for people to see, so mention of dinner plans or a trip to Europe, no date at the office party, etc.

All the things I just mentioned (and many more) are done every single day by straight people in the presence of friends and co-workers, yet it would never occur to anyone to say to them, "Just keep it private. It's none of my business." In fact, the opposite is true ... if a heterosexual talks about the person their dating, their marriage, their vacation plans, their kids, etc., most people respond with stories of their own dates and marriage and vacation plans and kids. It's only natural ... it's life. Asking a homosexual to refrain from doing those things is the same as asking them to hide who they are.

[The Whiskey Priest]

25. Yes, and what I am proposing cuts both ways

Let's as a society quit parading our sexual conquest for public approval.

[BattyDem]

37. Oh I see, you're saying everyone should be included

I didn't realize that. :-)

But even so, I don't agree with the idea. I don't believe that talking about the people we care about and the times we share with them is the same thing as parading our sexual conquests. (Who talks to casual friends and co-workers about their orgasms and what they do in bed with their spouse?) It's all about sharing experiences, making connections with people and finding common ground. If all topics of conversation had to be non-personal, we'd never get to know anyone, we'd never make any new friends and we'd never be able to develop trusting relationships of any kind, personal or professional. We'd all end up being terribly disconnected.

[The Whiskey Priest]

39. Crap...I don't want to know everyone...most of the "everyone" are assholes

sharing is for friends.

[BattyDem]

45. LOL!

most of the "everyone" are assholes

That's funny! :toast:

[ruggerson]

22. So, we should all just refer to our spouse..... Pat?

n/t

[walldude]

23. While I understand your personal priorities

For gays, equal rights are a higher priority. They are under attack by the fundamentalists. Any progress they've made in the past years is under threat of being wiped out. The current generation of gay people have the unenviable position of having to beat back the tide of predjudice so that the next generation of gays can fight for position instead of equality. Going back in the closet is not an option for them.

[The Whiskey Priest]

26. Everyone, male, female, child, adult

Are endowed with certain inalienable rights......regardless of how they swing. We need to get past...this public acknowledgment of our bedding habits.

[ruggerson]

28. Ummm... it's who you make a family with

far more than who you have sex with.

Are you asking everyone to stop talking about their families?

A bit ridiculous, no?

You're buying (unintentionally, i'm sure) into the rightwing bullshit which attempts to reduce gay people to nothing more than who they have sex with.

Gay folks partner up and fall in love and create families. Just like straights. The entire structure of their adult existence is defined by this family, just like it is with straight people.

People can't stop being who they are and talking about who they are. It's natural human instinct.

[The Whiskey Priest]

31. No..I am sorry...rather ham handed of me

I am talking about everyone...lets get past this concept of we are defined by who we have joined with...you enjoy your life and god's blessing upon you. I don't have the right to be privileged to that information and you should not be compelled to share it with me.

[ruggerson]

33. No, but if you're my buddy, you're going to be

coming over to dinner at my house.

Do you want my whole family to wear invisible ink? :)

[The Whiskey Priest]

40. Friends are friends

share away....just keep it out of the public relm...

[ruggerson]

42. What's the public realm?

Most people become "friends" with folks at the office eventually. When do you start sharing the stuff that you're talking about? And until that point, what do you say when your boss asks what you did over the weekend? Keep the spouse gender neutral?

"well me and the ol' ball and chain went camping."

[The Whiskey Priest]

46. I usually respond

Nothing important...because he is not paying for that information and is not entitled to that information.

[Kipepeo]

51. It's not just acknowledgement

It's rights that come with a marriage license. 1,049 federal rights.

Either extend them to everyone regardless of gender, race or sexuality, or don't give them to anyone. As it stands now, our marriage laws are discriminatory and need to be changed.

[The Whiskey Priest]

52. That is what I support

You are born, you breathe, you are mobile...you got civil rights, all of them.

[Kipepeo]

53. ok, but gays and lesbians don't have the same rights

at the moment.

So the laws need to be fixed before everyone can start becoming silent (but equal) about their private life and family in order to accomodate you. :)

[The Whiskey Priest]

54. I agree

We start looking at each other like humans...not like some symbol of sexual proclivity...I personal don't believe that is anyone's business.

[ComerPerro]

27. I've got a good option too

The so-called "religious" right needs to get over itself and just drop the bigotry altogether.

As many people in this thread already pointed out, its not a matter of "don't tell me". That solution is entirely impossible.

If someone can't discuss their personal life because it includes mention of their SO, they will be outcasts and will just be isolated as heterosexuals discuss their personal lives, their spouses, their kids, etc.

Its an even worse form of segregation.

"Hey, Bob, this weekend my wife and I-"
"Jim, stop. I don't want to hear it. Don't tell me"

[The Whiskey Priest]

29. Jesus...I am railing against being told about the wife or husband

regardless of which sex is telling the story....wives and husbands are not some sexual merit badge....keep it to yourself...

[ComerPerro]

30. I understand, but its just impossible

Unless you were being sarcastic, in which case I apologize for missing it.

But it just can't be done. I don't want to live in a world where people are expected not to talk to one another about their personal lives.

Talk to me about your husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, or kids all you want.

[The Whiskey Priest]

34. In a world where it is becoming increasingly impossible

to even take a shit without it be logged into a computer...I think we should reclaim some of our privacy....keep our family out of the public relm...they don't have a right to any information.

[ComerPerro]

38. So, don't talk to anyone.

About your original post.

I know people who are gay. I know they are gay not because they flat out said "I'm gay", but from stories they have told me about things they have told me about their weekends, things they have done with their SO, etc. Things that friends talk about.

The whole myth of "I'm gay, deal with it" is just bullshit. I have never met anyone who just runs around announcing his homosexuality.

Usually when right wingers say things like "I don't have a problem with it, I just don't see why I have to know about it" its just a bullshit line to cover for their intolerance.

[The Whiskey Priest]

43. Believe me or not...I am not intolerant

I truly don't care...and my comments are more directed to the heterosexual people...we need to quit defining ourselves in terms of who we have connected with...it is what we do, think and support that is important.

I support civil rights for everyone....I support justice for everyone...no litmus test...if you live, breath then you are entitled to equal civil rights and justice.

[ComerPerro]

49. I never meant to imply that you were intolerant

I was just saying that the usual line people give is something about "I don't see why I need to know."

I apologize if that was the tone you picked up from my posts.

Its just that your statement seemed like such an odd stance to me, and to be quite honest it still does.

You say: my comments are more directed to the heterosexual people...we need to quit defining ourselves in terms of who we have connected with...it is what we do, think and support that is important.

Ok, I am with you on that last part. What we do, think and support is indeed very important.

But, I really think that you can tell a lot about a person, their values, and what kind of person they are by how they relate to other people, what kind of relationships they are in and how they treat their SO, and how they interact with others in general.

I really do believe that how we relate to other people is a direct reflection of our character.

If someone chooses not to be in a relationship or doesn't prefer to interact with people, that is fine. But, how do they treat the people who are in their lives?

Maybe its just hard to get out of that mindset.

Im just a very social person.

But I didn't mean to offend. :hi:

[The Whiskey Priest]

50. I want to connect with others because they are hunger, being screwed

by society or the powerful. I dont really give a shit about if they have connected with this wonderful....just fill in the blank. That tells me nothing...just that the sexual urge ramped up in that instances...and if you truly love someone... that still tells me little....

But, if you feed the hungry, help the homeless find shelter...fight like hell for those who are being put upon by the powerful...then that tells me something.

[iconoclastNYC]

72. Exactly.

I don't have a problem with it. Unless I'm reminded that it exists. Then i have a problem. But only then. I really don't have a problem with hit.

Bigots are usually in denial over it b/c the notion of bigotry is a negative now in a culture so they have to come up with defense mechanisms.

Poster is ridiculous to think that the whole world is going to go back in the closet, and i think he's being disingenous when he claims to be offended by hearing about the hetro stuff.

[Zenlitened]

32. May I suggest you invest in a personal, portable...

... Cone of Silence?

[The Whiskey Priest]

36. Super Idea!!

Then I would not need to be bored to death with information that I would not share with anyone and wonder why I am being told about this event.

[walldude]

41. Are you askin people

or are they just coming up to you and talking about stuff? Seems to me if you don't want to know, don't ask or don't befriend them. I don't get too many strangers telling me about their home lives...

[Swamp Rat]

60. Man, you'd blow a gasket after ONE DAY in Brazil!

Sex is everywhere! :loveya: Oba! :D

All I know is, don't bug me while I'm French kissing my partner in the park or in front of the church. That is a sacred moment for us. :)

[yewberry]

61. Sorry, no. Flame away.

"Don't tell me?"


Y'know, that's fine. I don't give a crap about who's sleeping with who.

HOWEVER...

I am an adult child of a lesbian couple.

Yep. For real. For the record, I'm a straight, married woman; of the four kids that came from this "unholy" family, ALL of us are breeders.

Frankly, I don't give a crap about what couples do. What I must call attention to is the fact that those of us from "unusual" families have to deal wth burdens that "normal" kids don't face.

Would you be happy if two kids in YOUR family had insurance, but two didn't? (I didn't.) Would it be okay with you if you had to travel 3000 miles to help make decisions about your mom's health care when her partner of 20 years (who lived there with her!) was left waiting in chairs while you flew in? It's beyond ridiculous.

"Don't ask-Don't tell" may be fine for some...but don't try to sell it to me. I've had enough.

[Misunderestimator]

63. Once again... it's all about SEX!

:eyes: How very tiresome.

[Zenlitened]

64. "Show us where the bad man touched you, Whiskey Priest...."

:D

[MissB]

65. Your title pretty much killed any discussion

Bargaining away someone else's rights is just wrong. It doesn't matter how you sugarcoat it.

No one here cares about who sleeps with who. The Republicans apparently do care who sleeps with who and how. That is their problem. Do not make it yours. Or our party's.

[lcooksey]

68. I'm trying to figure out what you want

Clearly you don't want anyone at work marching up to you and announcing, "Dude, I totally scored with a hot chick last night!"

But it sounds to me like you don't want anyone saying, "Hey, Whisky Priest, have you seen that new movie about the zombies? My wife and I saw it over the weekend, and it was a blast."

Are you totally against all mention of spouses and kids, or do you just want to avoid details of bedroom gymnastics?

[mondo joe]

71. If you don't want to know about ANYONE's "sex life" go live in a cave

Otherwise you'll always end up hearing about someone's marriage or date or whatever.