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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 11:46 PM
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England Fumes over Selection of "Papa Ratzi"| Nasty Anglo meanness
Edited on Wed Apr-20-05 11:52 PM by Tinoire
THE GERMAN POPE

England Fumes over Selection of "Papa Ratzi"

By Matthias Matussek

With stunning meanness and unabashed mockery, the British press are lambasting the choice of a German as pope. The catch phrases of the day are "Hitler" "Tank Cardinal" and "God's Rottweiler." In short, the English papers are doing less reporting than seething with rage.

(snip)

But, on this particular day, British souls are seething. Not only is the church being taken seriously as an instrument of world power, but it is now to be headed by a German.

Ratzinger vs. Swastika Harry

The papacy, the Daily Telegraph reminds its readers in central England, has great power. "Geopolitically it changed the face of the world, not least by bringing the soviet empire tumbling down." The paper's front page, however, takes a brutal swipe at the Vatican's latest choice. "God's Rottweiler is Pope," the headline glares.

Not to be outdone, the tabloid The Sun too, hits hard, offering up the headline "From Hitler Youth to Papa Ratzi." The paper thus kills two birds with one stone: it recalls another powerful German -- the one man who even today captivates the diabolical fantasies of Brits like no other -- and it makes the pope look ridiculous. Above the pope story, the publishers place a photo of the young bad-boy Prince "Swastika" Harry, a perfect manifestation of the sort of modern Catholic Ratzinger so often rails against. The Daily Mirror clearly takes great delight in the optical mishmash of "Panzerkardinal," "Hitler Youth," and "Nazi Sympathizer" -- all on one full spread. It reports from the "Weimar-Inferno" of Germany that the "TV stations swept their news agendas free of domestic woes about joblessness and crime" to report on the election. Naturally, the ugly German also trots through these pages as a Rottweiler, and the victoriously-raised arms of the pope leave plenty of room open for other meanings and historical associations. With the exception of the Independent, hardly any British paper even mentions Ratzinger's theology. And even then, the paper leads with a Hilter Youth photo and spends five full pages bashing Ratzinger and delivering an unrelenting list of his sins. It characterizes Ratzinger's enthronement as an adroitly engineered Machiavellian coup in the style of the successors of the Kremlin. Ratzinger "set the agenda of the conclave," he "restricted" contact with the press, and gave the deciding sermon -- a coldly calculated power-play by "the German."

Poorly-reasoned arguments against Ratzinger

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The paper writes that "Ratzinger moved to stamp out liberation theology, a trend in Catholic thought mainly in Latin America which mixed Catholic theology with Marxist analysis of capitalism. Where John Paul II, with his Polish background, had some sympathy with the movement and its critique of the cruelties of capitalism, the German theologian had none. He decided to stamp it out." Where did that come from? John Paul II never sympathized with Marxism. In fact, he sought to distance the Catholic Church from it. Did the paper conclude he had sympathy for Marxism merely because he so distrusted capitalism? Only someone who had been forced yesterday to read up on the issue could have misinterpreted it as badly as that.

Ratzinger, it alleges, "stamped out" liberation theology. But this tremolo of tears for a liberation theology destroyed by Rome is the last cry of a contemporary theory market. It is, of course, purely tactical and nothing other than a critical maneuver against the church. Barely 20 years after the last intellectuals agreed that Marxism was a bloody and totalitarian detour away from the Enlightenment, liberal commentators like those at the Independent have discovered a new sympathy for it. Largely this is because it has been condemned by Ratzinger and the Vatican.

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http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,352550,00.html
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 04:25 AM
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1. Matthias Matussek has read the Independent article incorrectly
It didn't say that JP2 had sympathies with Marxism - it said he had sympathies with liberation theology. I know he's not reading something in his native language, but it pretty clear from the quote. And the Independent doesn't have sympathy for "a bloody and totalitarian detour away from the Enlightenment" - it has sympathies for liberation theology, which is a completely different thing. Whoever thought that liberation theology was totalitarian? Matussek seems the suspect any left wing thought as covert Stalinism.

The other pieces are not in fact that critical of Ratzinger, if you actually read them (the Spiegel article links to them). Matussek has cherry-picked the criticism (for instance, he didn't mention another piece in the Independent that was pro-Ratzinger). He seems to think that only good things should be said about the new Pope. The articles in British newspapers were nothing compared to the torrent of abuse that Ratzinger suffered on DU.
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CentralEuropeanDude Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 05:40 AM
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2. I think he didn't
Matussek says JP2 didn't have sympathies neither with marxsism nor with liberation theology. where the Independent article tries to frame ratzinger as some one who is against liberation theology (which he is) and JP2 is not (but he was). "liberation theology" sounds nice and i bet not many people even know its meaning today. only bad people can be against liberation theology, that's the message i get from this article.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 06:03 AM
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3. From the article:
"Where did that come from? John Paul II never sympathized with Marxism. In fact, he sought to distance the Catholic Church from it. Did the paper conclude he had sympathy for Marxism merely because he so distrusted capitalism? Only someone who had been forced yesterday to read up on the issue could have misinterpreted it as badly as that."

Matussek is definitely claiming that the Independent said that JP2 has sympathy for Marxism.

The point is that it's the criticism of capitalism that liberation theology took from Marxism - yet Matussek says the Independent is supporting a 'totalitarian' ideology - which not even Marxism was (it was Lenin, Stalin etc. who were the totalitarians), let alone liberation theology, which is what the Independent writer is supporting.

While it is debatable how much sympathy JP2 could have had for liberation theology, given that he approved of Ratzinger's pronouncements and criticised parts of it himself, Matussek is wrong to claim the Independent painted him as pro-Marxist. He just claimed that to try to pad out his 'British papers are all horrible' piece.

And he's not above putting in an irrelevant stereotype himself. "the most spiritually unmusical people on God's earth" - where the hell has that come from?
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CentralEuropeanDude Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 06:27 AM
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4. "the most spiritually unmusical people on God's earth" ???
where the hell has that come from? - yes i'am asking this too!
i read the german version yesterday

english:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,352550,00.html

Despite England's secularism, the truth is these days, Catholicism is all the rage. Turns out, parents are rushing to convert because they want to get their children into academically high powered Catholic schools. >>>It's a terrifically calculated cost-benefit analysis that the most spiritually unmusical people on God's earth have set up.<<<

german:
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,352464,00.html

Nun ist Katholizismus seit Neuestem "in". Eltern konvertieren in Scharen - weil sie ihren Kindern dadurch Zugang zu den begehrten katholischen Schulen ermöglichen. >>>Es ist eine recht kühle Kosten-Nutzen-Analyse.<<<

that means:
It's a cooly calculated cost-benefit analysis.
nothing more!

wow i hate that kind of manipulation.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:55 AM
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8. The message I get from the article is that Brits are ticked he's German
Edited on Thu Apr-21-05 08:57 AM by w4rma
"the British press are lambasting the choice of a German as pope."

Obviously that is untrue. Brits are ticked off that they picked a hardline former Nazi Youth. This should be a tip off that this article will be a propaganda piece.
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CentralEuropeanDude Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:25 AM
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10. no, not the brits, but maybe the brit press
"This should be a tip off that this article will be a propaganda piece" - please help me parse this. which article do you refer to and what's the meaning of "tip off" in this context.

thanks
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 07:39 AM
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5. Liberation theology
Unfortunatly was a non-starter in the church as a whole. It had its aspirants in Latin America, and I believe served a purpose there in the 70's and 80's. But the Vatican, including JPII of course moved to stop it.

There is a good point in the article the new Pope is being portrayed as a monster, the "flip side" of a liberal JPII. I dont get it, Benedict was JP's right-hand man and pretty much chosen successor.

I still remember when JPII made his pilgramage to Managua and told the Sandanistas to 'stick it' No, I dont think he had Marxist leanings
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:27 AM
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6. Actually, most of England couldn't care less
about the pope or any of this nonsense. There's always someone on a newspaper or two with an agenda, though.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:49 AM
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7. Gosh, a right wing writer in a right wing paper supports a right wing pope
How shocking.

JPII and Ratzinger crushed Liberation Theology because it supported the people against the capitalists and the lords of the church.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 08:59 AM
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9. "Lords of the Church"
Saw this pic here and saved it. Thought it might serve to help illustrate your point a bit.

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CentralEuropeanDude Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-21-05 09:33 AM
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11. Der Spiegel rightwing? i didn't get that memo
can you backup your claims with some facts?
what did "the lords of the church" do to "the people"
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