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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:57 AM
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"Black Smoke / White Smoke" Signaling Is Stupid!!
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 10:58 AM by arwalden
Why not just ring a bell... or send someone out to make an announcement? Why not put a candle in a window, or turn on a big green light, or turn on a neon cross?

I can't believe that NBC interrupted Ellen Degeneres' show for THIS! I was watching Tina Turner singing and enjoying it! If I want non-news, I'll turn to MSNBC or CNN, thanks!

-- Allen
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:58 AM
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1. They're supposed to also ring bells to announce that they've
elected someone. Another of Pope JP2's changes.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:59 AM
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2. I love it.
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 10:59 AM by Midlodemocrat
It is an important ritual to the Catholic Church.

And, apparently, they are going to ring bells as well.

when I was a kid, I thought that the white smoke was due to a miracle.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:04 AM
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10. Of Course You Do...
But you have to admit that it's not a very effective, clear, concise way to deliver a message. Is it gray? Is it white? Is it whitish-gray? Is it turning black? Whoops... too much wind! I can tell, can you?

Now a BELL... THERE's something that's unmistakable! Did it ring or not? Yep... it's ringing... we have our answer.

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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:26 AM
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23. I do agree that it is not effective.
The ringing of the bells was a nice addition to clear up confusion.

I sure would like to be there. This is a historic moment for the Church. I am also glad that my kids will get to see this.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:59 AM
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3. It's the will of Landreu . . .
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:06 AM
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12. Star Trek OS!
Great reference:)
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 10:59 AM
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4. I like it
It's a neat tradition.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:00 AM
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5. I think God should write it in the sky with purple clouds with lightning
and stuff like that.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:06 AM
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11. LOL!! Wouldn't That Be A Hoot??
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:00 AM
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6. Separate the 2 issues
Edited on Tue Apr-19-05 11:00 AM by LynneSin
The Black/White Smoke is tradition dating back since the early years of popedom. No reason for us to change catholic tradition

Interupting your favorite TV show for non-news is just horrible network planning. I'm not catholic, I could care less if I see the smoke blowing in the wind except maybe during commericial break if you want to take a news break to announce the winner.

Go figure

:shrug:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:00 AM
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7. It's Cool. There's A Long Tradition With Valid Reasons. Symbolism Is
important.

OTH, the Corporate Media apparently has binged on reporting about it.

I can't verify that since I only watch HGTV & Food Network.
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:01 AM
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8. Ahhhhh ...
Americans, so enamoured of your jingle-jangle blingy blangy shining neon lights. While I have no time for the catholic Church (murdering corrupt bunch of misogynists the lot of them) I find the whole black smoke/white smoke tradition one of the few things I like about the church.

We should keep traditions like that, like having different shops on your streets, not just homogenised franchises, like being to able to order food at restaurants that reflects the local produce, tastes and traditions, like being able to walk the earth and not encounter chilsdren living in desperate poverty wearing fake Gap T-shirts.

God knows there are enough neon lights in the world.

If you are being sarcastic, well then, I doff my cap to you,
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:08 AM
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13. An AIR HORN would be a better alternative!!
Come to the window and squeeze the trigger on a big AIR HORN can.


BLAAAAT!

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:16 AM
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18. lol
It would be like a Jets game.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:22 AM
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21. My Thoughts Exactly!!
Somebody could have one of those big foam "we're number one" fingers and wave to the crowd.
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:41 AM
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30. And the winning Pope
could wave one of those big foam hands with a number one finger?

My American cousins, even when you're cool, you're hopeless.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:01 AM
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9. You're kidding! They interrupted Ellen for THAT?
It's "Survivor, Vatican City" dontcha know...
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varun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:08 AM
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14. Drama queens
all the drag they wear, all the pomp and pageantry...

...and Pope was anti-Gay?

Hello!!!!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:11 AM
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15. It's their tradition, and there's nothing wrong with that.
I am an ex-RC, and have nooooo love for the Church. But, this is their tradition. I can't understand why everyone's getting bent out of shape about it -- you have no reason to. Get upset with the MSM over beating it to death.

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:12 AM
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16. oh please, and bashing the guy about the head with a silver hammer to make
sure he's dead is modern?

*snarf*

archaic xstian rituals really are strange and bizarre.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:14 AM
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17. Why is some signaling stupid and other types not stupid?
I don't get what the difference is.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:21 AM
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20. You Don't Get The Difference? Really?
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PST Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:26 AM
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24. neither do I..
big green lights are stupid if you ask me.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:27 AM
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26. But Unmistakable....
None of this "the wind is blowing too hard to tell what color the light is". None of this "it starts out red but turns green after a few minutes" business.

It's either GREEN or RED... or it's either ON or OFF... nothing VAGUE and unmistakable about that, eh?

Smoke signals are stupid.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:31 AM
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27. A little bit of mystery, anticipation and patience is a good thing
in a world overdosing on instant gratification. I like the smoke, it's quaint. Everybody knew we would find out in due time anyway, and we have.
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PST Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:32 AM
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28. I'm sure they would've used neon lights from the start..

had it been available back then.

do you hate the smoke itself or the tradition? and how strong is this emotion?


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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:43 AM
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29. I Said It Was "Stupid"... I Didn't Use The Word "Hate".
Please be careful in trying to analyze me, and in reframing my question. :hi: I kinda think you were just kidding with me... but it's hard to tell. I hope you're not one of those who ends up accusing me of "Catholic-Bashing" because you assume I "hate" Catholics because I find the smoke-signals stupid.

What I find to be stupid about it is that it's ambiguous.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:16 AM
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19. fax, email, radio waves....hello vatican?...21st century here...
simple grunts should be sufficient
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:23 AM
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22. Even Tom-Tom Drums Are Better Than Smoke Signals.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-19-05 11:27 AM
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25. I'm not a Roman Catholic but I like it
It's a cool tradition. I like traditions that are older than the world we have now. It's good to keep some of the old ways with the new ones.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-20-05 02:50 AM
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31. it's unique
nothing wrong with that
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