it was a Christian Conservative who blew up the Ok. Federal Bldg.

[mopaul]

and don't fergit it.

[mopaul]

1. &, a christian conservative who blew up the Lesbian night club

and women's clinic and olympic park. a very religious right winger.

that's what they do, they blow shit up.

[Ganja Ninja]

7. Let's not forget that these bombings might not have happened

without right wing loud mouths like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter urging on these conservative Christians. That's why it's so fitting that Time Magazine has declared Ann Coulter one of the most influential people in America on this anniversary. She helped influence these killers to do her will.

[mopaul]

8. rush egged them on after the branch davidiot fiasco

clinton was president, he had to be attacked as the cause of the koresh disaster. yet, no one blames bush for 9-11.

mc veigh was directly influenced by rush and crazy annie. yet they'll never be prosecuted.

[CarefullyLiberal]

10. Proof please

"MC weigh was directly influenced by rush and crazy Annie."

"Directly influenced" by Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter?

Really? Do you have proof of that accusation or is this another one made up "facts?"

-Fergus

[mopaul]

11. i meant rush

another poster mentioned annie, and i aped him.

i ain't no library of truth and information. you know what i meant.

now back to making shit up just to piss folks off.

[CarefullyLiberal]

13. "i ain't no library of truth and information."

Finally, something we can both agree on.

[Ganja Ninja]

15. The truth is that the right wing media that was so ...

anti-government during the Clinton years is responsible for the results of their rhetoric. They function much the same as Osama bin Laden did in creating al Queda and the terrorists of 9/11. Osama didn't plan the attack on 9/11. He had others to do it for him.

[ProfessorGAC]

16. Maybe You Should Have A Point

You know what the poster meant! Nitpicking is the stuff of small minds. Read between the lines. Don't be so intellectually lazy.
The Professor

[CarefullyLiberal]

17. Professor...

I'd be happy to debate this with you if you like.

The poster, mopaul, is not capable of creating a post that has hidden meaning or needs to be read between the lines. mopaul simply makes things up with the intention of stirring up the forum, or as he says, "making shit up to piss folks off."

To say that Limbaugh and Coulter "directly influenced" Timothy McVeigh is a lie. He made it up to inflame the people in this forum and I called him on it.

I'll say this for mopaul, he will readily admit when he makes up his "facts", and for that I respect him. However, with so much legitimate and supported information available I find it odd that a person has to make up stories to get a point across.

I can only conclude he does it to get attention.

-Fergus

[mopaul]

18. yeah, i'm starved for attention ferg

conclude this.

rush did influence your buddy timmy, a previous poster said ann's name, not me, then i chimed in the mayhem.

i corrected the ann part, but you refuse to admit the rush part.

rush DID influence your buddy timmy.

did i make that up?

are we clear here yet?

[CarefullyLiberal]

21. Reply

--> i chimed in the mayhem.

That's okay with you? Do you ever review what your write before you post it?

--> you refuse to admit the rush part.

I admit that Rush Limbaugh indirectly influenced McVeigh to a certain degree. The key word there is "indirectly". You said "directly" which implies something wholly different.

--> your buddy timmy

He's not my buddy. I have never met McVeigh. I abhor violence.

--> are we clear here yet?

I'd like us to be, but as long as you continue to make things up and imply that they are facts I'm going to ask you to prove it.

-Fergus (thats Fergus, not Ferg)

[ProfessorGAC]

19. So, You're A Psychologist, Too

Seems you would have learned better people skills in psychology school.

You know the facts fully well. The purpose of the post was to evince a response. If you knew that, then why the need to nitpick? You admit that you knew it was to stir up the forum. So, why not just ignore the thread?

And, you have a funny way of showing "respect". Are you sure you know what that means? Your posts don't indicate a clear understanding.

Lastly, you do know that McVeigh was a right winger, right? You know he was anti-gov't, right? You know that he saw the ENTIRE gov't as the enemy right? (If not, go read the trial transcripts!)

You do know, that at the time, that was Limbaugh's milieu. Anti-gov't rants, "big gov't", "big brother", "creeping socialism". You do know thoes are quotes of his right.

The connection is clear. Limbaugh was inflaming his knuckle-dragging listeners, intentionally, and one of their ilk, a right-wing, anti-gov't hater, blew up a building and killed hundreds. HUNDREDS!

If you don't see the connection, even without direct correlation, you are not going to see it with my help. Failing to see it already indicates you are beyond help.
The Professor

[CarefullyLiberal]

24. I'm sorry we couldn't keep this civil

--> So, why not just ignore the thread?

Why should I ignore lies? While not on the same level as *, mopaul fabricates "facts" out of thin air. What's wrong with calling him on it? It's okay to call conservatives on lies but not liberals? Where's your sense of fair play?

--> Lastly, you do know that McVeigh was a right winger, right?

Yep, I know that.

--> The connection is clear.

It's not clear to me, I guess I'm beyond help.

I'll say it again in a different way. To write that RL "directly influenced" McVeigh to bomb the Federal Building in Oklahoma City is a lie that mopaul purposely made up and is just as effective of spreading hate and discontent as what RL does.

-Fergus

[Zenlitened]

25. Way to rush in and serve as apologist for the RW.

Adding the "we liberals should be better than that" meme was a nice touch.

:puke:

[CarefullyLiberal]

26. I don't follow you

What does "meme" mean?

I was talking about Rush Limbaugh, not the right wing.

-Fergus

[varun]

2. Abortion doctor killer

was a Christian Conservative too:

http://www.rickross.com/reference/a-abortion/a-abortion22.html


...Paul Hill, who is to be executed in two weeks for the shotgun slayings of an abortion doctor and his bodyguard in Pensacola, says he's at peace with himself and would probably kill again.

Hill, a one-time Presbyterian minister, has said God led him to shoot Dr. John Britton, 69, and his driver, James Barrett, 74, as they arrived at a Pensacola abortion clinic in July 1994....

[mopaul]

3. blessed are the mad bombers, for they shall be fried for justice's sake

take thee up a gun and blow away the other cheek of thine ememy, vengence is yours.

[carnie_sf]

4. Vengeance is mine

sayeth Marion (Pat) Robertson

[Mistress Quickly]

5. As a Christian

they were not/are not Christians.

[mopaul]

6. but you can't tell them that

i know they aren't, you know they arent', but you'll never convince a kkklansman he's not a good christian.

i wish we could explain the diff to the stupid

[Mistress Quickly]

9. I know I know, its just so frustrating

The don't even have to read all 10 commandments, just up to #6.

[eallen]

12. The Catholic Church has a theory of just war. Is it not Christian?

Moderate believers upset at the actions of their radical brethren don't do much good when they exclaim to the rest of the world, "oh, most believers aren't like that." See, we know that. Most Muslims don't fly planes into skyscrapers. Most Christians don't bomb abortion clinics. We know that. We're perfectly capable of distinguishing the fundamentalist from the liberal believer, the Wahabbi from the Shi'ite, the religious reich from other Christians.

Both Islam and Christianity have been used to justify horrendous crimes. It's pretty silly for a believer to complain to those outside these traditions that the groups who do such things are not following the True Religion. Not being Christian, I don't believe there is a True Christianity. The religion is no more and no less than what its adherents make of it, and that includes the religious reich as well as Albert Schweitzer. Think your scripture makes it clear? Ha! The Old Testament that says "thou shalt not kill" also tells how the Judeo-Christian god ordered genocide. "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." <1 Sam 15:3> Some Christians read the first, and refuse to pick up arms. Some Christians read verses like the second, and bomb abortion clinics. Yeah, I know you believe the first group are truer to the god that both groups worship. Great! Preach that to your fellow believers. They might be influenced by that, and that would benefit all of us. Those outside the religion don't much care who the Real Scotsman is or what kind of kilt he wears.

:hippie:

[Clark2008]

22. Actually, Christians should be living by the word of Christ

not the 10 Commandments.
Jesus did away with them in the Sermon on the Mount. He said, "Love God and love your neighbor."
Respect the meek, bless the peacemakers and love, love, love.
These fundie weirdo seem never to have even cracked open the New Testament.

[Bigmack]

14. He only did it to ...

...avenge Waco.

Therefore, not so bad after all, (I'm watching CNN Headline News, and the implication in unmistakable.)

Says right in the Bible to blow the shit out of innocent people to avenge your fellow whackjobs.

[Zorra]

20. Wow. What a coincidence. A "christian" conservative blew Iraq up too!

Violent little bunch of sociopaths, aren't they?

[Sparkle]

23. Best be prepare when you mention this to a right winger, they will

bring up the "Unabomber". They have their terrorist, we have ours.

:-)