The 'Creation Science Assn.' Explains those pesky neanderthals, fossils,

[elehhhhna]

and dinosaurs. I found this site while surfing. I always wondered how they explained fossils. etc. Oy.

If this is what homeschoolers are beng taught, we're in trouble.


"Neanderthal Explained ...
What Happens to the Craniofacial Structure of Humans Who Live Past 100 Years? Neanderthal Similarities.
by John W. Cuozzo
An ICC review by Tom Willis

At virtually the same time Darwin published The Origin of Species, supposedly demonstrating the truth of evolution, Neanderthal Man was discovered, and immediately hailed as proof of Darwin's theory. Neanderthal was obviously human to anyone who can see. He made and used tools, ceremonially buried his dead, etc. Yet he had larger brow ridges and skull shape and thickness that enabled some to claim he was "more apelike." John Cuozzo is an Orthodontist who visited natural history museums carrying one of the few high quality portable X-ray machines in the world. He obtained permission to X-ray their oldest known humans, specifically including Neanderthal.

Among other things Cuozzo was interested in the effect of age on skeletal structure. In the process of studying old present day humans and Neanderthal, based on the data he had obtained, he developed a computer model which graphically displays (or prints) changes in skeletal structure with age. As we age, among other changes, skull thickens and changes shape, and eyebrow ridges begin protruding. The model clearly showed that a normal "modern" human would look like Neanderthal when he got to about 400 years old! The Bible clearly teaches that early man lived many hundreds of years. Neanderthal was not "apelike," he was simply old!

http://www.csama.org/CSA-NLTR.HTM

[Sandpiper]

1. Well, It's a slight improvement over

"The devil put them there to confuse us."

[lenidog]

4. Though it still may hold true for the Platypus

[rockymountaindem]

2. But the people who lived to be that old in the Bible

all lived in the Middle East, not isolated valleys in Germany and Austira. In fact, the Bible doesn't say anything about Europe or the New World.

[punpirate]

3. Having seen some of the...

... fundie homeschooling science texts, this is actually a bit worse than those I've seen, but not much.

But, the commonality is the lack of science in it, along with a complete disregard for and lack of understanding of scientific method.

[Sandpiper]

8. Trying to apply a faith-based paradigm to a fact-based discipline

Is the ultimate exercise in futility.

[phusion]

5. LMFAO

:rofl: :rofl:

[nonconformist]

6. LOL!

I'm laughing, but I should probably be weeping.

[atommom]

7. They're still grasping at straws. But since they don't have to produce

proof (just raise doubts about evolution), they still get away with it. :eyes:

[ComerPerro]

19. Exactly. I want to be a creation scientist for that very reason

You don't have to produce real, meaningful results, and you can just use the Bible and your own work as proof of your thesis.

"Well, earlier I said this is true, therefore it is true".


How do we know the Bible is God's word and the absolute universal truth?

Because it says it is.

[atommom]

32. It is tempting sometimes to think what ridiculous things we could

get away with, if we had absolutely no principles.... :evilgrin:

[elehhhhna]

38. Excellent Idea! A growing field! Faith Based Grants! -

[SoCalDem]

9. Jesus had a pet dinosaur, named Larry..

He even drew a picture of him..it was in the Bible, except it was in the part that got wet when Noah dropped it..and then a goat ate the pages:)

Trust me:)

[rodeodance]

12. so this means that the Neth. had to live to be 400 yrs old. Good grief

this is the best example ever that the bible is written with a 'literary license"

[Zynx]

33. I want my 400 year liver - beats the one I have now.

;)

[pscot]

10. A wonderful example

of interpreting your data to fit your theory. The exact opposite of science. What a maroon.

[Piltdown13]

11. Cuozzo wrote an entire book on Neandertals

Called "Buried Alive." He actually got access to a number of important fossils -- let no fundie say that palaeoanthropologists hide their materials! As a palaeoanthro person myself, the book (and theory) is amusing and scary at the same time, not to mention a disheartening proof of the power of Biblical literalist convictions: here's someone who saw the actual specimens, yet still forces them into a preconceived story. Oh well, just one more addition to the list of, um, *creative* theories to be prepared to refute.

[da_chimperor]

13. That's really stupid. An orthodontist? Come on now. n/t

[Richard Steele]

14. So, I guess back in "Biblical" times...

All these 'older' folks lived apart from everyone else, used completely different tools and weapons...
Had different rituals and customs...

And occasionally ATE the younger folks?
(So THAT'S why you should never trust anyone over 300!)

WOW, ya learn something new every day....about IDIOTS!

[Piltdown13]

15. And, apparently, nobody ever died until reaching 300+ yrs old!

After all, for tens of thousands of years, pretty much all you find in Europe are Neandertal remains. Maybe I need to skim that book again; I wonder how he explains away the Middle Palaeolithic infant/child remains that show clear Neandertal traits.

[rzemanfl]

20. Those were really old midgets-you heathen. The Bible talks

about midgets somewheres. My preacher sez so, praise the lord, hallelujah. Amen.

[Piltdown13]

21. Ah, I see...

Really old midgets with deciduous teeth, unfused epiphyses, etc...does the Bible say more about this fascinating condition? :-)

[rzemanfl]

28. Well if you is livin in that land of milk and honey you can get by

with your baby teeth. Don't need no fuses without lektricity. Where did yah git yer schoolin anyways?

[Piltdown13]

29. Well, it sure wasn't at Fundie U...lol

:P

[rzemanfl]

31. I was home schoolt myself, with mah cousins. Learnt a lot, mah

cousins an me. Had lots of s e x too...

[rzemanfl]

40. Ah jest remembered where the Bible talks about them midgets.

It's in that chapter Lilbittycusses.

[Richard Steele]

41. Ok, THAT was a good one! Here's your PIE!

[rzemanfl]

42. Been wondering about your name. Are you a pornstar or is that

some other dude? Thanks for the pie.

[Richard Steele]

43. Nope, it comes (misspelled) from this...

...which I came across on the Internets one day:

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/scoop_article.asp?ai=7588&si=126

[elehhhhna]

18. LOL!

[Jack Rabbit]

16. This one loses me after the first sentence

Regardless of what was thought in the nineteeth century, Neanderthal Man is no longer though to be a direct ancestor of modern Homo sapiens, but a species that died out. There is little similarity between Neanderthal DNA and ours.

Consequently, the arguments presented here are irrelevant.

Regardless of whether one chooses to believe the modern theory of evolution or not, one should expect a person entering a college or university to know what it is. The ignorance of the subject displayed in these two paragraphs (which is the entire review) is astounding.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

17. I thought the Neandertals all moved to Texas.

And, that bashing themselves on the forehead with beercans explained the eyebrow ridges.

[signmike]

25. One did . . . from Connecticut. And the ridges are from car wrecks and

face bashing. Bike falls, pretzel attacks, etc.

[signmike]

22. I suppose it's stupid to play along with this, but

what about the people who are still living to advanced age - we must be inundated with Neanderthal looking skulls.
Methuselah must have reverted back to monkey status by the time he was finished -- 900 years. He must have been aiming for Amoeba.

On a sort of different sublect, there was a story on PBS one night where these fundies had discovered some tracks in a shallow creek bed very close to where fossils had been turning up for years. They claimed the tracks were human. The PBS show had some guys reach down in the water with their hands and they said the tracks felt like huge 3-toed prints. So they lowered a glass case - basically a fish tank - so they could actually see the things through the glass bottom. Yup - big ol' 3 toes. No, No, No, No, and NOSIREE, Bob, the Fundies would not accept the cheap science of that experiment.

It's the Devil's own work, I tell ya :evilgrin: Blasphemy!

[elehhhhna]

24. Perhaps the walker was a victim of "a toe for a toe" 6 times. Huh?

[mmmbeer]

23. *snarf* that is frickin' hilarious!

"Neanderthal was not "apelike", he was simply old!" That is the funniest thing I've heard in ages! It's the kind of thing you'd expect a parody 'creation scientist' to say in something like South Park!
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Unfortunately, when you start to think about these whackos going aroudn trying to spread this garbage, it gets a bit less funny...

[dave123williams]

26. One word rebuttal: DINOSAURS.

You'd think the bible would have said something about them, wouldn't you...

[mmmbeer]

27. Just very old alligators. nt.

[Richard Steele]

34. Check that site- they have some EQUALLY good ideas about dinosaurs!

http://www.csama.org/199711NL.HTM#NewDino

Unfossilized Dinosaur Bone in Alaska

QUOTE:"I began to hear of others. I knew that many mammoth fossils were bone, not mineralized, especially Alaskan mammoths, of which there are thousands. I kept hearing rumors that Alaskan dinosaurs were not fossilized either. Now there is no longer any doubt. Even a team of Creation Scientists has returned with an enormous amount of unfossilized dinosaur bone, including even the skull of a Tyrannosaurus Rex!"

Obviously some BRILLIANT scientific minds at work there!

[Zynx]

35. Funny that we survived if we co-existed

Forget the big ones, which were generally stupid - the dromeaosaurs (real non-Jurassic Park velociraptors and their much bigger cousins) would have made us a primary food source.

Things that are smarter than parrots, can run us into the ground, and are armed with bony switchblades ain't all that much fun.

:evilgrin:

[elehhhhna]

37. I tell ya the WHOLE SITE is a laff riot!

[elehhhhna]

39. Love the logo!

[Rex]

30. Yes, according to the Bible, early man lived 100s of years.

Any lurking creationist care to explain, medically, how Nebuchadnezzar lived to be 800? He took vitamins? :crazy:

[KittyWampus]

36. That's Just Silly.