Senator Reid Takes "Credit" For Passage Of Bankruptcy/Class Action Bills!

[Itsthetruth]

House passes bankruptcy bill
Measure will deter borrowers from erasing debt
By Tom Curry
National affairs writer
MSNBC
April 14, 2005

Bipartisan accord

The political curiosity here is that both Reid and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay — who agree on very little else — were both enthusiastically taking credit for the bill Wednesday.

"We’ve done a good job this year. In spite of the so-called partisanship, we’ve moved two pieces of legislation that have been around for 15 years, class action (reform) and bankruptcy," Reid told reporters when asked whether partisan animosity was slowing the Senate's work. Alluding to the bankruptcy bill and other legislation, Reid said, "We’re moving along well."

So why are Reid and other congressional Democratic leaders such as New Democrat Coalition chief Rep. Ellen Tauscher, D- Calif. supporting it? In an interview Thursday off the House floor, Tauscher said, "Suffice it to say, I would much prefer a Democratic majority that would write a better bill. I would much prefer tighter restrictions on the credit card industry, I would much prefer many different things, but we are not in the majority."

She added the bill would benefit her constituents who "work hard, pay their bills, live within their means." They "don't appreciate having to pay higher costs for everything because there are Americans who abuse bankruptcy provisions that exist now that create loopholes. And they are absolutely forgiven for mounting up tens of thousands of dollars of debt so they can go off and do it again."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7494698/

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The following are Senate members of the DLC New Democratic Coalition which is working with Republicans on anti-worker and anti-consumer legislation.

Max Baucus, U.S. Senator, MT
Evan Bayh, U.S. Senator, IN
Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA
Tom Carper, U.S. Senator, DE
Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
Byron Dorgan, U.S. Senator, ND
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA
Tim Johnson, U.S. Senator, SD
John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI

http://www.ndol.org/new_dem_dir_action.cfm

The following are House members of the New Democratic Coalition which is betraying consumers and workers:

Brian Baird, U.S. Representative, WA
Shelley Berkley, U.S. Representative, NV
Lois Capps, U.S. Representative, CA
Russ Carnahan, U.S. Representative, MO
Ed Case, U.S. Representative, HI
Ben Chandler, U.S. Representative, KY
Joseph Crowley, U.S. Representative, NY
Jim Davis, U.S. Representative, FL
Susan Davis, U.S. Representative, CA
Artur Davis, U.S. Representative, AL
Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Representative, IL
Eliot Engel, U.S. Representative, NY
Bob Etheridge, U.S. Representative, NC
Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN
Jane Harman, U.S. Representative, CA
Stephanie Herseth, U.S. Representative, SD
Brian Higgins, U.S. Representative, NY
Rush Holt, U.S. Representative, NJ
Darlene Hooley, U.S. Representative, OR
Jay Inslee, U.S. Representative, WA
Steve Israel, U.S. Representative, NY
Ron Kind, U.S. Representative, WI
Rick Larsen, U.S. Representative, WA
John Larson, U.S. Representative, CT
Carolyn McCarthy, U.S. Representative, NY
Mike McIntyre, U.S. Representative, NC
Gregory Meeks, U.S. Representative, NY
Juanita Millender-McDonald, U.S. Representative, CA
Dennis Moore, U.S. Representative, KS
Jim Moran, U.S. Representative, VA
David Price, U.S. Representative, NC
Loretta Sanchez, U.S. Representative, CA
Adam B. Schiff, U.S. Representative, CA
Allyson Schwartz, U.S. Representative, PA
David Scott, U.S. Representative, GA
Adam Smith, U.S. Representative, WA
Ellen Tauscher, U.S. Representative, CA
Tom Udall, U.S. Representative, NM
David Wu, U.S. Representative, OR

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Here's information on the so-called New Democratic Coalition that appears on the Democratic Leadership Council website.

About the Senate New Democrat Coalition

Senators Evan Bayh (IN), Bob Graham (FL), Mary Landrieu (LA), Joe Lieberman (CT) and Blanche Lincoln (AR) founded the Senate New Democrat Coalition (SNDC) in the spring of 2000 to provide a unified voice in the U.S. Senate for progressive ideas , mainstream values, and innovative, market-based policy solutions.

In just over a year, the SNDC has quickly become the strongest and most unified Democratic group in the Senate. With long-time leaders like John Breaux (LA), and a strong class of freshman from the class of 2000 -- including Jean Carnahan (MO), Tom Carper (DE), Ben Nelson (NE), Bill Nelson (FL) and Debbie Stabenow (MI) -- the SNDC's ranks have expanded to 20 members.



About the House New Democrat Coalition

The New Democrat Coalition was formed in 1997 by Congressmen Cal Dooley (D-CA), Jim Moran (D-VA), and Tim Roemer (D-IN) to establish an ideological home in the U.S. House of Representatives for the New Democratic movement started by the Democratic Leadership Council in the late 1980's and led nationally by President Bill Clinton in the 1990's.

[Itsthetruth]

1. Reid's A Corporate Political Whore!

Senator Reid is a right-wing corporate whore people! He's the main national political leader in the reactionary Mormon Church. The Mormon LDS followers are to the right of Jerry Farwell and that's not an easy accomplishment!

Doesn't everyone here get it???

Now please don't whine with the usual "he's OK on some issues" bull. What issues? Well, do you expect him to join with or be to the right of the Republican party on every significant issue?

[ailsagirl]

37. I posted some time ago that Reid's no hero of mine

Not just the bankruptcy bill-- he was also involved with the bill to sponsor slaughtering of the wild horses and burros.

He's no Dem. I think he's despicable.

:puke:

[AuntiBush]

42. I didn't know that - he sponsored that bill!?!

Animal lover here. Mess w/an animal of any kind and you'll see a gal get mean! I think they're are a few missing on that list. Might be one from my state whom I thought was my local hero. Will post later if I find the link showing he voted yea for this bill.

A few years back, remember seeing that most in Congress have the worse credit ever! Back room deals.

I want my country back!

[paineinthearse]

2. we’ve moved two pieces of legislation that have been around for 15 years

The reason they have been around is because prior Democrat majorities would not allow these rethug concepts to pass!!!!!!

Longevity in the Congress does not translate to merit.

I'm getting a similar agrument in the Massachusetts forum. Although he has impeccable credentials, a newcomer to the scene (Deval Patrick) should not be considered for Goveror because he has not "paid his dues" / "it's not his turn yet".

Sheesh

[GiovanniC]

46. "For Over 40 Years, Uppity Colored Folk Have Been Going to School

with whites. Now, in the spirit of bipartisanship, we have finally been able to make that illegal again!"

"For many years, homos have been having queer butt sex with one another -- one of the biggest problems facing America today. With the bipartisan support of Republicans in Congress, we have *finally* passed the 'God Hates Fags Act of 2005'!"

Other potential bipartisan efforts:

• Resolution to Denounce Females Not Staying by the Stove, Barefoot and Pregnant
  
• The Give-the-President-Unlimited-Authority-to-Kill-the-Fuck-Out-of-Brown-People War Powers Act
  
• Simplifying the Tax Code by Exempting Those Making Over $500,000 (Because Their Returns Are the Most Complicated)
  
• Making Christianity the Official and Mandatory National Religion
  
• The George W. Bush Is King For Life Act of 2005

Have I mentioned lately how glad I am that we have an opposition party?

[Freddie Stubbs]

3. Rahm Emanuel voted against the Bankruptcy bill

http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2005&rollnumber=108

[Itsthetruth]

5. That's Better Than Nothing

1 of 40 broke ranks with the DLC. Well, that's something I guess .... better than nothing.

Any other DLC'ers break ranks?

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Loretta Sanchez voted 'no"

http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2005&rollnumber=108

[blm]

15. Why did you post that Kerry and Clinton voted for the bill when NEITHER

did?

Kerry voted against and Hillary was at the hospital with Bill that day.

Surely you aren't trying to mislead the board by mixing your stories and clips to make them fit YOUR inaccurate storyline?

[Freddie Stubbs]

51. Perhaps some people get their rock off by attacking Democrats

:shrug:

[Melodybe]

41. So did Benny Thompson from MS

Yay! Benny you make me proud.

[Career Prole]

4. Although it sickens me to see a Dem bragging on this bill

I keep my eye on the ol' silver lining here in the red heart of Texas.
Every week my paper lists the week's new bankruptcies and according to the polls 80% of them are shrubmen.
Not many bright spots living in the red states but that's one.
I don't wish bad luck on anyone but if you vote for bad luck, you get what you deserve.
Judging by the length of the weekly "gone broke" list lots of 'em will be wondering just what it was made 'em think voting 'puke was so smart.

(In the interest of full disclosure, I was on the "gone broke" list myself about four years ago)

[Itsthetruth]

6. Nonsense!

"I don't wish bad luck on anyone but if you vote for bad luck, you get what you deserve. Judging by the length of the weekly "gone broke" list lots of 'em will be wondering just what it was made 'em think voting 'puke was so smart."

Do you think that voting for any of those Democrats who supported the bankruptcy bill was the "smart" thing to do? I don't believe they got "what they deserved" anymore than most consumers who voted for Republicans got "what they deserved".

With Democratic "friends" of workers and consumers like these who needs Republican enemies?

[Itsthetruth]

9. Isn't Bi-Partisanship Wonderful?

Senator Reid proved that he and other Democrats in Congress can work with Republicans and get "stuff done"!!!

A lot of crapola can be accomplished if we always extend the hand of bi-partisanship and demonstrate that Democrats are willing to join with Republicans in passing important legislation.

Legislation that rewards corporate lobbyists and clobbers the hell out of workers and consumers.

Now what left-wing comministic lunatic radical will claim that corporate interests have their hooks in Senator Reid? Reid is clearly a representative of working people! What really counts is what he says, not what he does.

[Career Prole]

10. As I'm sure you're aware of the history of "bankruptcy reform"

there's no need to tell you that anyone who voted repuke knew they were voting for "bankruptcy reform" when they cast their vote.
They all assumed bankruptcy would never happen to them, despite our repeated admonitions that it's as much the fault of bad luck as it is bad planning.

We Dems chose to let the bad planners go in the interests of those who were victims of bad luck.

They chose to go after the bad planners at the expense of the unfortunate.

I'll thank you to at least tolerate my "I told you so".
If you can't, well...I'll somehow survive.

[Itsthetruth]

12. Democratic Party Didn't Organize Against The Bill

"there's no need to tell you that anyone who voted repuke knew they were voting for "bankruptcy reform" when they cast their vote."

On the contrary. You do need to tell me that. Because I'm sure that the overwhelming majority of people who voted in last years election, Democrats and Republicans, had no idea there was plan in the works to enact a bankruptcy bill that would harm consumers and workers.

Most Democrats didn't even mention it during the 2004 election. In fact, if you go to the Democratic Party national website you will not find a single sentence indicating the slightest opposition to this reactionary bill!

Well, if the leadership body of the Democratic Party, the National Committee, didn't see any danger, how in the world would you expect the average voter to know what was being planned by politicians in both parties?

[Career Prole]

21. "On the contrary. You do need to tell me that."

As you wish.

(emphasis throughout is mine)

Congress first took up the issue of bankruptcy reform roughly four years ago, when the number of people seeking relief from their personal debt was on the rise. The first votes came during the summer of 1998, when both the House and Senate overwhelmingly approved legislation to overhaul the nation’s bankruptcy laws. After that bill later died in negotiations between the two chambers, the House in 1999 revived the legislation, which was overwhelmingly approved. The Senate approved a similar version of the bill in early 2000, and though lawmakers from both chambers ultimately were able to agree on a joint bill, President Clinton ultimately vetoed the measure. When Congress returned to work last January, this time under a new Republican president, the bankruptcy bill was among the first pieces of legislation introduced.

THE MONEY

Finance/credit companies contributed more than $9 million in soft money, PAC and individual contributions to federal parties and candidates during the 1999-2000 election cycle. More than two-thirds of that money went to Republicans. That’s a 60 percent increase over contributions made during 1995-96, the last presidential election cycle. One of the industry's biggest givers is MBNA America Bank, a $3.5 million contributor during the 2000 election and the single largest donor to President Bush.
Commercial Banks accounted for roughly $29 million in soft money, PAC and individual contributions during the 1999-2000 election cycle, 59 percent to Republicans. Credit unions contributed $2.1 million in soft money, PAC and individual contributions during the same period, 54 percent to Republicans. That's almost two and half times what the industry contributed during the previous presidential election in 1996.

The National Consumer Bankruptcy Coalition, meanwhile, contributed more than $5 million to federal parties and candidates during the 1999-2000 election cycle, overwhelmingly to Republicans. That's a 40 percent jump over their giving during 1995-96.

THE PARTY LINE

Not surprisingly, the financial sector is the biggest funder of political campaigns at the federal level. While Republicans have gotten the biggest share of that money, Democrats, especially those who serve on committees that deal with legislation that affects the industry, receive big dollars, too. In fact, some Democrats, usually members of the conservative Blue Dog Coalition in the House, have strayed on the issue of bankruptcy, voting in favor of a bill that most of their party colleagues oppose. Party lines, however, are much more defined in the Senate, where Republicans and Democrats are divided 50-50.

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/bankruptcy/

Legislative history of the Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act

Through various forms since 1994, proposed new bankruptcy laws provided by the Act developed primarily at the insistence of commercial banks, insurance and investment companies. Republican legislators consistently vote for the passage of reform and related new bankruptcy laws drafted by special interest groups. Throughout the Clinton administration, these bills and related new bankruptcy laws consistently passed the House yet stalled in the Senate with the blessing of President Clinton. The bill passed the Senate one time, and was vetoed by the President.

During 2002, new bankruptcy laws & reform bills passed the House again and were narrowly blocked in the Senate despite a Republican majority. Republican Senators who voted against reform and new bankruptcy laws drew sharp criticism from George W. Bush. A special interest group, the Financial Services Round Table (a special interest group representing 100 of the largest banks, insurance and investment companies in America), is largely responsible for drafting new bankruptcy laws and is one of Bush's largest campaign contributors.

The new bankruptcy laws and reform acts legislative history

HR975 - 2003 - the Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act (a.k.a. Senate Bankruptcy Reform Bill) passed the House again, and on 03-21-03, was placed on the Senate legislative calendar for future consideration. Bush was confident, yet the vote was consistently blocked by the committee through the end of 2003.

H.R. 3150 - Reform Act of 1999, new bankruptcy laws defeated.

H.R. 833, H.R.2415 - Reform Act of 2000 passed - new bankruptcy laws vetoed by President Clinton.

H.R. 333 - Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2001 - new bankruptcy laws originally passed the House on March 5, 2001, rejected by the Senate. On 11-15-02 the bill again passed the House 244-116 urged by Bush. Again stalled in the Senate.

H.R. 975 - Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2003 - new bankruptcy laws passed the House, placed on the Senate legislative calendar 3-21-03 for future consideration (Senate Calendar No. 50). Vote blocked by committee.

Effective date of new bankruptcy laws
The Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act is generously supported by the Financial Services Roundtable. New bankruptcy laws are expected to become law at anytime due primarily to the influence of financial contributions, despite widespread popular opposition.

http://www.personal-bankruptcy-chapters-7-13-filing-laws.com/new-bankruptcy-laws-01.htm

The 106th Congress should put bankruptcy reform at the top of its agenda early next year. Overwhelming majorities passed consumer bankruptcy reform measures in both houses during 1998 on the basis of clear evidence of debtor abuse of the system. If the economy slips into recession, sentiment may change to sympathy for troubled debtors. The history of bankruptcy law in this country is replete with examples of Congress ratcheting up the attractiveness of filing during economic downturns. That prescription of debtor relief is the true cause of today's record number of bankruptcies.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/10-30-98.html

This shit should NOT have been a surprise to anyone.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. Nice try. I'm betting that 80% of the list is something other than....

...a Republican.

[Mr. Flibble]

7. The DLC and everyone who voted AYE is out of touch with reality.

They're out of touch with the masses, many of their voting patterns prove it. And their jobs give them nice bennies throughout and after their terms too.

And John Kerry and Hillary Clinton are for pissing on the dying Middle Class like this too.

I should respect them again because...?

DLC can rot, if they want to splinter the Dem party that's fine by me. They're shooting themselves, not the voters. They are ensuring the repukes win, not us who have the brains to vote our consciences.

[blm]

14. Kerry voted no and Hillary wasn't there. Why are you accusing them?

The post was crafted to intentionally MISLEAD people into believing Kerry and Clinton voted for the bankruptcy bill.

Now WHY would someone be misleading others here?

[paulk]

17. like blm says...

this it the second time you've posted this crap. I really have to question your motives.



U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 1st Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (S. 256 As Amended )
Vote Number: 44 Vote Date: March 10, 2005, 06:12 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 256 (Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 )
Measure Title: A bill to amend title 11 of the United States Code, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 74
NAYs 25
Not Voting 1
Vote Summary By Senator Name By Vote Position By Home State


Alphabetical by Senator Name Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Allen (R-VA), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burns (R-MT), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Chafee (R-RI), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Not Voting
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Corzine (D-NJ), Nay
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Nay
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
DeWine (R-OH), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Frist (R-TN), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Jeffords (I-VT), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lott (R-MS), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCain (R-AZ), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Nay
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Nay
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Nay
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Santorum (R-PA), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Sessions (R-AL), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Talent (R-MO), Yea
Thomas (R-WY), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

[Andromeda]

43. Kerry and Clinton didn't vote AYE.

You keep repeating this lie and it makes me wonder about your motives.

If you are going to make inflammatory statements about Dems please provide PROOF of your statements by providing a credible link to your sources.

[Mandate My Ass]

11. Sen Reid takes "credit" for selling out innocently insolvent Americans

Hell, he sold out women so why not sell out those who have fallen on hard times through no fault of their own.

He wins elections, that's all that matters.

[baby_bear]

13. You gotta wonder....why are we DUers not 3d party socialists?

I mean it sincerely. I am for a solid middle class, a restriction on the accumulation of wealth (inheritance tax), and progressive taxation.

The Republicans are pushing us more and more toward the tax burden falling on the working poor and middle class; an elite society where the wealthy pay crumbs as their token takes; and regressive taxation to support the suppression of revolt (we're too busy trying to keep up with our hamster wheels to question government.)

I have to say, as an unreconstcruted McGovernite, that I am finding less and less to differentiate between the Dems and the Repugs on a whole lot of matters.

What would it take to really create a third party? Can we do it here?

b_b

[Itsthetruth]

16. Do The Math

The short answer to your question is NO. The Republicans will always find someone to run for major offices who is to the right of whoever the Democratic Party selects.

Look at the positive side. Since about one third of Democrats will vote with Republicans on anti-consumer and anti-worker legislation all you have to do is elect 350 Democrats to the House of Representatives and 75 Democratic U.S. Senators to block such legislation!

Piece of cake!

[bklyncowgirl]

18. Get your facts straight before you condemn

Some of the people on your list voted against the bankruptcy bill most notably Kerry. I also noticed my Congressman Rush Holt's name on your list--He too voted Nay.

I'm not cutting any slack for Democrats who voted for this bill--this should have been a strict party line go down with all guns blazing sort of thing. I'm disappointed with Harry Reid, for example, but just pulling a list off the DLC website and saying they sold out the working class on a particular bill is wrong.

[MisterP]

22. well, it is DLC/ND policy

some may dissent, but it's the policy of the boat they jumped into

[blm]

53. And those further on the left at the DLC do the pulling to keep it

from going further right. It's good to have SOME on the left willing to grab hold of some center rope and keep pulling left.

[Itsthetruth]

24. Disappointed?

"I'm disappointed with Harry Reid"

Disappointed???!!! You're just a bit disappointed with his betrayal of working people and consumers?

My. Such harsh language. I think you should be easier on him.

[Zhade]

19. Really? Then, uh, fuck you, Reid.

Hope you die in debt and penniless one day, unable to start over. Karma, baby.

[leesa]

20. Reid sucks! These rich bastards want us all to lose our shirts because

they make money. Shame on Reid. He should be kicked out of the party for this statement and his corporate whore vote.

[theboss]

23. Why are you listing Kerry as a supporter of this bill?

He voted no.

[Robert Oak]

26. Kerry used to be but seemingly by his votes

just isn't part of this group anymore.

He voted against this bill and a few other "corporate" pieces
of legislation recently that our traitor dems lined right up to endorse.

He should be removed from this "bad guy" list.

[JI7]

27. Kerry voted against it in 2001 also

he never "use" to support this bill. Harry Reid who isn't a member of the DLC did and does support it.

[LittleClarkie]

28. The bad guy list is a list of the DLC regardless of votes

It's a broad brush accusation that since someone from the DLC is doing wrong, that anyone connected to the DLC is a betrayer. Despite the fact that, as you say, Kerry didn't vote for this bill. Hillary couldn't as she was with Bill at that moment.

Kerry only seems like DLC to me when he's talking foreign policy, and a bit when he's being a fiscal hawk.

I don't know about the rest of those on the list. I doubt they all voted for the bill either.

[sandnsea]

35. How generous of you

He has consistently voted against stuff like this bankruptcy bill and class action bill.

He has always been pro small business, which sometimes means voting for a tax cut or proposing a corporate tax cut that helps all business, but is aimed at small business. And I'll say it again and again, the problem with trade is the lack of international regulations, not the trade itself. You took 3 votes and created somebody who never existed. Trade, which was intended to put capital into 3rd world countries to build economies. Patriot Act, with portions like money laundering legislation that have been needed for a long time. And the IWR, with the goal to get inspectors into Iraq, a goal that was supported by almost everybody, including Nader, Kucinich, Clark & Dean. These labels you've stuck on him are as unfair as the corporate sell-out label, which you can finally see was never fair.

[Robert Oak]

25. great post

How do we advertise these corporate party representatives
and get them OUT!

This is one of the reasons Repukes took over the white
house and I honestly can't blame their conclusion..
that neither party represents their interests...

clearly this is true from the above and how do we get these guys
OUT! They buy ads on TV and get voted back in in record numbers...
I think an incompetent in the house is almost a given of a free
ride re-election....

[NVMojo]

29. I am waiting for another version of that LA Times article to come that

shows all the ways Reid and his family members have benefited from their connections. He'd better be freaking careful. The Repukes will take him down just like we want to take down DeLay. Keep your backyard clean, Harry, and that means quit helping your Clark County Commission Chairman son steal rural Nevada's water!

[ulysses]

30. but aren't some folks saying that the DLC is irrelevant?

:eyes:

[WildEyedLiberal]

31. Why do you insist on being so deceptive?

Kerry DID NOT VOTE FOR THE BANKRUPTCY BILL. HE VOTED NO.

I really question your motives in posting deceptive, misleading things like this.

[GRLMGC]

32. Facts don't matter

They don't matter one bit

[LittleClarkie]

33. But he's part of the DLC, and apparently that's enough

It's a DLC bashfest. Yeehaw.

[wisteria]

34. Your information is incorrect and highly suspect. n/t

[OneBlueSky]

36. it may be time for a new party . . .

obviously the corporate Republocrats are going to keep pushing the BushCo agenda until the middle and lower classes have no rights, no jobs, no money, no healthcare, no retirement, and no hope . . . the battle isn't between left and right -- it's between the ruling oligarchy and the rest of us . . . and the ruling oligarchy includes both Republicans and Democrats more loyal to their corporate sponsors than to the people they pretend to represent . . .

but since a third party would have zero chance of success (barring a presidential candidate on the order of a Robert Redford), the only alternative is to take over the Democratic party and make it democratic . . . which means progressive . . . and the only way to do that is OUTSIDE the established channels . . .

Step One should be a massive internet-based collaborative campaign by Move On, People for the American Way, and other progressive organizations to replace each and every Congressperson and Senator who voted for the bankruptcy bill . . . these people are NOT Democrats; they are corporate scum . . . every dollar raised by progressives in the next year and a half should go to support this campaign . . .

to actually accomplish this we will need to put social issues like gay marriage (I'm a gay man) and abortion on the back burner . . . our position on social issues should be maintaining the status quo until we solve the more critical issues like energy, jobs, healthcare, education, international cooperation, ending wars, etc. . . and generally keeping government out of these issues altogether . . .

I've had it with pseudo-Democrats . . . if the progressive leadership in this country can't come together to take back the party from these hacks, I'm done with politics . . . because it just won't make any difference . . .

[paulk]

38. you do know that Harry Reid

isn't a member of the DLC, don't you?

Its the truth....

[Radical Activist]

40. The bankruptcy bill didn't pass for so long because Paul Wellstone

filibustered it. Wellstone was a real Democrat. Reid should be ashamed.

[unblock]

44. reid is a senator from NEVADA

home to a number of credit cards.

unfortunately, you gotta expect a senator from nevada, south dakata, or delaware to side with the credit card companies.

at least until we can change the massive corporate influence over politics.

[unhappycamper]

45. The only positive comment I can offer is NONE of the MA congress folk

turned traitor.

[Mass]

50. Yes, us from MA should be proud of that!

[mmonk]

47. This can be changed

in the future. This is in preparation of the judicial fight ahead. The dems will say see, we have been working with you but you still insist on going through with this. Remember, the justices cannot be changed.

[TayTay]

48. The Entire Massachusetts delegation voted NAY on bankruptcy

Voting no on the Bankruptcy bill in the US Senate:

John Kerry
Ted Kennedy

Voting No in the US House from the MA Delegation of 10:

Olver
Neal
McGovern
Frank
Meehan
Tierney
Markey
Capuano
Lynch
Delahunt

No amount of lying, willful deception or wishful thinking is going to change that. These people are working FOR the American working class.

Lie all you want about this, truth is still stronger.

[Mass]

49. Perfectly misleading

1/ Reid is NOT part of the DLC. He has been put on a pedestal by Dean supporters more than by anybody else.

2/ Among the Senators in your list, Cantwell Dorgan, Feinstein, Kerry, and Clinton did NOT vote for the Bankrupcy Bill, while BYRD and a lot of other non DLC voted FOR it. For the matter, neither Biden and Reid are not part of your list and they certainly were among the most vibrant supporters of the bill. For the representative, about 1 out of 2 of those who voted for the bill are NOT in your list.

So I can understand you have a beef against the DLC, I do, but this does not warrant putting out misleading information.

[KittyWampus]

52. Totally Misleading, Yet DU'ers Fall For This Disruptive Crap Again

and again.

[realFedUp]

54. I'll stand with the CBC

they more often stand with us.