Environmental PROTECTION Agency wants to test PESTICIDES on infants...WTF!

[jackstraw45]

What kind of F-ed up times are we living in?!?!?!?

I'm sure this has been discussed but I just heard about it today amid ignoring a lot of the Shiavo MSM orgy. I'm sure I'm not the only one....this should be MAJOR news to most moral humans on this planet.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=647588

"the Children's Environmental Exposure Research Study is asking 60 families with infants in the Jacksonville area to volunteer for the study under which the children would be exposed to pesticides through routine spraying in their homes. Participating families will receive up to $970."

This administration is beyond evil.

[graywarrior]

1. and you know it will be the low income who will bite

[rzemanfl]

2. Well, if it is only the really whiney little brats I'm okay with that.

After all 970 bucks is almost enough to get you into one of *'s thousand dollar a plate dinners, and how cool is that?

[atreides1]

3. Gee

Where are all those fundie culture of life fanatics now?

Or don't infants and young children count in their twisted little perverted world?

I wish I had one in front of me now, I'd test the results of pesticides on them, only I'd lock them in a sealed room for several hours.

[oldcoot]

21. They probably do not even know about this

They are not exactly the most well-informed people in the world.

[KansDem]

4. I thought Joe Mengele was dead?

When did he get a job at the EPA?

[The Doctor.]

6. His new name is Stephan Johnson... nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. I do believe this story is on snopes and was found to be false?

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. :hi:

[The Doctor.]

7. It is true.

At the Senate confirmation hearing today, Barbara Boxer took nominee Stephen Johnson to task for not cancelling the program or making a commitment to do so.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. No kidding? Holy shit! I KNOW I read a snopes story on this.

:wtf: I wonder what's up with THAT?

My g-d, this sends chills down my spine. The thought that they use babies as Guinea pigs...:grr:

[The Doctor.]

15. The scientist in me gets it...

It takes a certain amount of detachment to stomach this.
One must 'see the big picture' and convince one's darker self that perhaps these parents should not have had children in the first place.

But the psychologist in me knows what a crock of shit that would be.

I know that within God's plan there is enough a sense of irony that a proponent of this testing might one day lose a loved one to one of the mal-developed subjects of this testing.

I pray those kids are not so stunted, and no one suffers such a loss.

But do not play God unless you are willing to accept the consequences.

[jackstraw45]

17. MILLIONS of $ for study paid for by chemical LOBBY GROUP

What does that say to you?

And NO, this is NOT a story from the Onion or debunked on Snopes.

[The Doctor.]

22. That tells me Johnson is an even bigger scumbag

[NYCGirl]

23. Here's the Snopes story:

http://www.snopes.com/toxins/cheers.asp

Yet again an interesting mix of truth and scare has been loosed upon us all. While the November 2004 e-mail quoted above is relatively factual, its wording leaves those who receive it with an impression far removed from the truth. While the proposed investigation is real, the nature of the test subjects is misunderstood, leading to the wrong conclusion being arrived at by those who hear of it.

(snipped)

However, while the e-mail leaves the impression that poverty-stricken families are for the price of a camcorder and $970 heartlessly offering up their tots as lab rats, the little ones to be deliberately sickened by cruel scientists intent upon advancing human knowledge even at the price of 60 babies potentially dealt life-long serious physical ailments by exposure to dreadful chemicals, the truth is quite different. One of the reasons the EPA chose Duval County, Florida, as the site of this research had to do with year-round pesticide use in that area. The children who will be the subjects of the study live there. In other words, if all the clipboard-wielding EPA people stayed home and the project were cancelled before it began, these same children would be exposed to these same pesticides and in the same amounts, due to nothing more sinister than where their parents chose to settle and raise their families.

The EPA will not be administering pesticides to children. Children who are ingesting pesticides thanks to where they live will be studied by the EPA.

Given that these youngsters are coming into contact with noxious chemicals thanks to where they live, the EPA saw a good opportunity to examine the effects of such compounds on small children by studying subjects drawn from this particular group. CHEERS will track 60 of these little ones over the course of two years, measuring not only their exposure to pesticides but also to ordinary household chemicals (cleaning products and the like). The parents of kids taking part in the study will have to keep very careful logs on which products are used and in which amounts in their homes. They will also be required to videotape their tykes being studied and maintain logs of the little ones' activities. For this and for allowing researchers into the family domicile every few months to assess the child being observed and to examine the home, these parents will receive a $970 stipend and will at the end of the two years get to keep the video camera.

[flyarm]

25. wrong...from fla here ..heres the story

it was a suspended program but yesterday or day before b boxer questioned this guy who was going for head of epa..and she said she would not vote for his approval unless it was eliminated..not suspended..boxer was a pit bull and not only questioned him once but twice..and when he tried to b.s. his way out of the delema..she pounced..and said she wanted it eliminated period or she would not and could not support his nomination...

this was to take place in duval county fla..the program was called of all things.."cheers"
and nelson of fla was being hit by we dems and activists hard ..if he supported this nominee..nelson knew he was total toast if he nominated this pig with this program only on suspension...but it was boxer who was the pit bull on this..god i love that woman!!!!!!!!!!!

but boxer and nelson stood strong and today the program was canceled ..not suspended..guess cspan exposure made alot of repugs nervous!

boxer was my senator when i lived in l.a. and now nelson is my senator.,.wow would i love a swap!!

but nelson got his pants on today i guess..and decided he needed some people support..since he is losing it by the bucketfuls right now being * lite...

yes there was this program but it was suspended...but now it is formally exterminated!

go boxer..i wish i could give her a hug right now!!

fly

[Cleita]

8. What is the ethnic makeup of Jacsonville?

Are there a lot of poor Hispanics and African Americans there, or are there just a lot of poor people there in general to prey on? You know desperate families could do this for the money especially if they are lied to that it's 99% safe. This administration's cuts on welfare and other social programs makes more sense as we go along with what their agenda is.

What was that about Saddam gassing his own people?

[rucky]

14. Jacksonville is 29% Black

Over twice the national average. 80% of the city's African American children are on free & reduced school lunch.

www.city-data.com

[illflem]

9. EPA did studies in WA state a few years back

to determine how pesticides made it into apple orchard worker housing. Their method of determinating the amounts that made it indoors was by swabbing crawler stage infant knees...
They had the house members try different tactics such as removing shoes and clothes outside or not at all after working in the orchards all day.

[katsy]

10. Is there ANY doubt left in anyone's mind now?

Welcome to nazi america circa 2005.

[Tsiyu]

11. Precious. Just precious.

It's just a new thrill every day, i tell you.

[whistle]

13. Great idea, can add the pesticides to the bath water....

:sarcasm: :rant: This is just a continuation after a 60 year interruption of the Josef Mengele experiments, Dr. Death from the German Nazi concentration camps. Here, vomit to your heart's content. These fucking neo-conservatives have managed to keep this insanity alive through the decades:

http://www.auschwitz.dk/Mengele.htm
http://www.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/100/mengle.htm
http://www.wsg-hist.uni-linz.ac.at/Auschwitz/HTML/Mengele.html
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/mengele/index_1.html

[LeahD]

16. The study has been suspended (if you can believe

the EPA's web site). There was quite an uproar about this study several months ago.


www.epa.gov/cheers

"The Children's Environmental Exposure Research Study has been suspended. No additional work will be conducted on this study subject to external scientific and ethical review."

[jackstraw45]

18. Suspended but NOT CANCELLED

Just waiting for people to be distracted.

[Skinner]

19. That is just disgusting.

For $970, who is going to agree to have their babies breathing pesticides? That's right: Poor people. Someone from the Bush administration should go door-to-door in a rich neighborhood to see if anyone anyone who doesn't need the money will take this deal. Maybe this Stephen Johnson character would volunteer his own kids.

[jackstraw45]

20. Exactly...they claim to "value life"

but knowingly tempt parents with $970 and a free camcorder to poison their own children to satisfy the chemical lobby's thirst for more profit.

[B Calm]

24. Malloy talked about this weeks ago. They want to test the black

babies...