Bashing the Bush daughters

[cynatnite]

What's the purpose? I've seen so many derogatory comments about these girls whether it's their looks, what they say, wear or anything else.

They're not in politics...their father is. They are followed by the media constantly and every antic is reported whether it's deserved or not.

Can anyone explain why it's done?

[LoZoccolo]

1. It's masturbatory.

They'll come up with some reason like "they campaigned for their dad", but really they're pretty harmless compared to people like Tom DeLay or Grover Norquist.

[billbuckhead]

2. Because they actively campaigned for Chimpy

and the whole family seems to become involved in politics at some point in time.

[catzies]

3. They willingly campaigned with/for him and the GOP last summer

n/t

[cynatnite]

12. They aren't campaigning now

So why continue it?

Chelsea helped out in campaigning and when limpballs compared her to a dog, he was blasted for it.

So we should sink to the repuke level when it comes to bashing the daughters???

This is very confusing to me.

[buff2]

26. It's confusing to me why it bothers you so much.

:wtf:

[cynatnite]

30. I don't see the point and the rationalizations make little sense

I still can't figure out why it's done. Limpballs was blasted for what he did with Chelsea and the only retribution that some can come up with is to make derogatory comments about them.

I wanted opinions and reasons.

[sadiesworld]

50. When Al Franken calls Jenna a slut, I'll shut up.

On a more serious note, I don't partake in many of the Jenna/Barbara threads but why deny others their fun? Harmless.

[Sugar Smack]

53. These ARE opinions and reasons.

Some may sound like rationalizations or quick responses, but you need to read them and think about them, especially since YOU started this thread. You aren't even responding to the numerous replies. Most of these responses are thoughtful and articulate. You can't just reiterate words like "stoop" and "bash" and "beneath us" over & over, and expect to be taken seriously. When you respond to a person, let him or her know that you've listened to what they have to say. I was flip when I responded, "It's fun to piss off freepers" but I also gave other LEGITIMATE reasons for why I and others don't mind criticizing the daughters' behavior.

[DemBeans]

32. a minor point

I don't believe that Chelsea ever actively campaigned for her father. Wasn't it mentioned that an appearance she did for Kerry last year was her first campaign speech? She certainly didn't do the college tour like the twins did last year.

She might have campaigned with Hillary in 2000, but I don't think she gave speeches on her behalf, either. The twins were set loose on campuses throughout the country, booked as separate campaign stops. I think there's a big difference in the level of activity involved.

[rinsd]

4. Because people are petty.,...

....and this is the internet where people can be petty.

[Morose]

40. anonymous and petty

sadly once the rhetoric reaches a certain heated level, both sides dispense with all forms of civility and become barbaric.

I'm willing to "fight fire with fire" at the top levels, realizing that I'm losing something in the process as well...but I do think attacking presidential daughters is something that I'll avoid in favor of taking the higher ground. I sleep better at night if I at least put out that minimal effort.

I no longer have that much charity left in my heart for the Neocon leadership. But for two little rich girls...I harbor more ill feelings toward Paris Hilton and Nicole Ritchie since they infect so many TV channels.

Regardless...I don't think we benefit by becoming the monsters we fight...despite how attractive, easy, and emotionally satisfying it appears to be.

[CO Liberal]

5. Simple

The neo-cons constantly attacked Chelsea Clinton, who never did anythign wrong, for eight solid years (and continue to attack her to this day).

Jenna and Barbara, on the other hand, never do anything right. Therefore, they're fair game.

[devilgrrl]

6. Easy, their father claims god chose him to be president...

and he's got two wild carousing daughters... you do the math.

[Warpy]

7. It's the family values hypocrisy in action

and if anybody's an example of poor parenting, it's those two.

[me b zola]

39. That is exactly how I fell about it

The RW & their gop-bots spew lies about how liberal beliefs are to blame for all of the woes of society. The Clinton's daughter as well as Kerry's daughters have had the nastiest things said about them, when in fact all of those young ladies are classy, educated, articulate, and 10x the women that either of the shrub twins will ever be.

[Book Lover]

8. Because it makes us feel better

Because it is fun to bash the powerful; if we didn't trash-talk, we'd burn down buildings.

Because they show an appalling lack of discretion.

Because they did it to Chelsea.

And I would like to point out that you have no idea if they are followed by media constantly, nor if every single antic is, in fact, reported in the press.

[Morose]

45. Seems like that's a slippery slope

that is likely to have no end, and very likely to do us more harm than good. When they do it we point out that it demonstrates their crass ignorance. We dismiss their views because they are nasty, mean, and brutish.

I'm hard pressed to understand how we somehow get judged by a different stick when we act in a like manner.

Some fights are worthwhile because you can win. I'm not convinced attacks on famous daughters is one of those fights.

[Book Lover]

75. I wish I could agree

but as others have said in this thread, if the press did more uncovering of 43's dissolute youth, he couldn't have been elected local dogcatcher, nevermind Texan governor, nevermind POTUS. I vote for nipping this dynasty in the bud, and for disgracing the family name of Bush.

[illflem]

9. The girls really aren't bad compared to their dad

but it's guilt by association.
Ask Chelsea how she feels about it.

[Career Prole]

10. Because shitty parents shouldn't be giving advice on

how to properly raise a child, and since they won't admit to being shitty parents it is our duty to point out the evidence.

[radwriter0555]

11. because they're BUSH BIT*HES.

Anyone associated with the bush regime is evil, filthy and rotten to the core and fair game for ANY aspersion.

[Sanity Claws]

13. Sure, it shows the Bush hypocrisy

The Bush daughters do not act in accordance with the fundy values that AWOL is trying to ram down our throats. They're nothing but spoiled rich soriority-type girls. I want the sheeple to realize that AWOL does not have a clue how the sheeple live; nothing in his experience or his family's experience is like that of ordinary folks.

[two gun sid]

14. Because it brings pleasure...

I get tired of calling Norquist an evil fuckstick all the time. And I like pointing out to the 'Family Values' crowd what a couple of skanks their saintly president raised. I see it as an attack on chimp, too.

[cynatnite]

17. I get more pleasure out of attacking gw

going through his daughters to do it seems rather low to me.

[two gun sid]

31. Well, shucks...

I feel no need to play nice with that asshole or his family. Would any of the Bush clan give a damn about you or you family? I admire your sense of fair play but, for myself, I enjoy anything that brings chimp discomfort, physical or mental.

[cynatnite]

35. But does your tearing down his daughters do that?

Think about it. You can write a letter or send an email telling him what you think about his daughters and what good does it do? He'll never read it and if he does, he won't give a damn considering that they might get hundreds if not thousands saying the same thing.

It just seems so pointless to bash them when they have nothing to do with the policies and actions of this administration.

Shouldn't our anger and activism be directed where it belongs and where it might do the most good?

[two gun sid]

48. I didn't say we should just attack his family....

I personally write to my congressperson and senators about his wrongheaded policy. What I am saying is I love to see chimp in discomfort. Every time one of those skanks make the news falling down drunk, doing the "Butt" on all fours, well, I know that must bother him. Why should I allow my beautiful mind to think about how low I'm being?

It also gets under my repug co-workers skin when I bring up the skanks latest escapades. Nothing I say about policy seems to get through to them, but, point out that chimp and his family are supposed to embody all that is good then tell them about what Barb or Jenna did and watch them blow a gasket.

I respect your opinion and it is admirable. I just don't feel I can afford to be nice to the Bush family.

[LibDemAlways]

58. I used the "sk" word on an earlier

thread today to describe Jenna's behavior and my post was deleted, so apparently we have to tread lightly when describing the fun-loving chimpettes.

I for one don't disparage them simply because I'm trying to be mean. They bring it on themselves. I resent my hard-earned tax dollars going to pay Jenna's secret service detail to hang out at clubs while she performs butt dances.

[cynatnite]

62. Not all get deleted as yours did

I think they should get 24 hr protection where ever they go even if you or anyone else doesn't approve of it. If secret service protection was dependent on the morals or lack of them of the person needing it because people don't want their tax dollars supporting it, then there could be trouble.

Being the daughters of the President, they should have secret service protection at all times. Start putting limits on it now and it'll bite us in the ass when we do have a pres we do like and they have a kid that likes to party.

[LibDemAlways]

69. There isn't a damn thing I or anyone else can do

to take away the twins' SS detail. Doesn't mean I have to approve of how they are using - or abusing - it.

[two gun sid]

63. Well, I'm not tryin' to get my post deleted...

but, they are rich little skanks.

[BillZBubb]

15. Oh, BOO FRIGGIN' HOO!

I am just awash in tears for those poor girls! Hounded by the media, their every antic reported, yeah right. If you believe your own crap, I'd like to sell you some Enron stock.

[fryguy]

16. the apple doesn't fall far from the tree

so when one of them gets caught on tape doing something stupid its a reflection on the other . . . and i'm refering to daddy-chimp also - http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/bush/bush_tsg.mov

[KG]

18. because it's good clean fun.

and it pisses off freepers.

[Sugar Smack]

47. I absolutely LOVE to piss off freepers!!!!

And that said, I'll do what I must to piss them off..

Thanks, KG!

[lala_rawraw]

19. Because they are adults who

1). Sit at fashion shows while the other daughters are fighting overseas
2). Who have all the money in the world, but do no charity work
3). Who have all the time in the world, and spend it on drinking and shopping, while their father and mother peddle values


I have never addressed their physical appearance, but simply their moral fabric, which there is little of. Another example of spoiled rich kids who grow up to be worthless spoiled rich adults and who fail upward or marry so that their husbands can fail upward while they shop. Oh, is that elitism I hear in my font?;)

[LibDemAlways]

71. Your description is perfect.

More completely wasted Bush DNA.

[lala_rawraw]

76. The DNA is not waisted...

It is simply too prevalent and clearly tainted with some sort of sickness that causes all of them to become either sociopaths or overwrought idiots.

[Inland]

20. It'll keep her from the public office and private boardroom.

I think it's worth it just to keep these two out of the Senate thirty years from now. If somebody had followed George around and recorded his worthless, misspent youth, he wouldn't be president.

[WI_DEM]

21. Not all of the comments are attacks

there is a solid minority of posters who think "they are hot", but your point is well taken.

[Tux]

22. When Republican

Girls get drunk, wear a thong, and shake their asses on all fours in a bar, no bashing needed. Just take them home and have fun. Nothing like a Republican girl squealing like a pig.

[Cleita]

23. Do you think they are better than Chelsea Clinton?

Because if you don't think they should be bashed then neither should Chelsea. Yet, if you cruised through your supermarket last week, the blaring picture story on the Globe tabloid was:

CHELSEA CLINTON DRUNK AGAIN!! or something to that effect.

Nowhere was there any reference to the drunken Bush twins anywhere. So in the spirit of "fair and balanced", DU has to step up to the plate and correct this ommission.

[lala_rawraw]

46. Wait just a moment here

Chelsea was a kid being bashed for being "ugly" and I find anyone capable of defending that or even comparing it to criticizing grown woman for their flaunting of "fun" while other daughters are dying, as a freeper brigade missile.

There is no comparison. I could not care less if as a young woman, Ms. Clinton drinks. She happens to have actually achieved a great deal and not because of her daddy, but because of her abilities and intelligence. She is also someone who devotes time to causes.

These grown woman do nothing, represent nothing, and instead flaunt their gay old times in the faces of those whose own children are dying for their father's war. Very classy!

[Cleita]

57. So why are you mad at me?

It's the original poster who said that we shouldn't criticize the twins. All I said is that the other side is still criticizing Chelsea and there is no fair play here. So if she doesn't think the twins should be bashed, then she shouldn't believe that Chelsea should be bashed either. Makes sense to me.

:shrug:

I haven't seen one post here on DU that said anything about the GLobe story being, well, slanderous as well as idiotic, but OMG criticize the White House princesses....

My personal view, that I didn't air yet, is that anyone who is an adult and has a public persona better learn to take the slings for their actions and their time in front of the camera. If they are the children of celebrities and they don't want the attention, then they need to do what it takes to stay out of the limelight like Carolyn Kennedy.

If Bush twins fans don't like what is being said about them in public forums, then they should write them a letter and tell them how disappointed they are with how their actions make people gossip about them, not come into a public venue and tell people what not to say about them.

[lala_rawraw]

66. oy, i always reply forgetting to thread it

Sorry about that... it is trigger finger, must learn how to work the reply button:)

[natrat]

24. they are so fecking cheesey and clueless-that's why-

[madrchsod]

25. i maybe old fashioned

but your kids reflect the good and bad in your raising of them. second they are the children of the president and since this one decides to wrap himself in the "Family Christan" flag his kids are fair game ,at least for me. if i were president i would expect that my three grown children act proper,even if they didn`t think it was anyones business. i rest my case on chelsea-even though her father was a cad and her mother is abit overbearing at times--Chelsea deeply love both her parents and conducted herself with respect. compare the two families-who really has family values? but i`m just an old guy who is set in his ways.

[theboss]

61. I go the opposite route; I never judge a family based on the children

All children disappoint eventually; there's no way around that. And all children are different. My best friend is a Harvard grad; her brother dealt coke for years. Did the parents suddenly become good parents when she was born?

[cynatnite]

64. Excellent point! n/t

[LibDemAlways]

70. I agree with your point that the children -

even the grown children - of the Pres. ought to try to behave in public with some minimal amount of decorum. I don't care what they do in private, but when they go out, they ought to at least try not to be a complete embarrassment.

[Sugar Smack]

27. Beacuse people are responding to a caricature

and not a human being. Caricatures are historically weighty in politics. It's all up for grabs, including the Bush daughters. We're not allowed to see the humanity in these girls, and it seems to me they don't mind participating in a very public, in-your-face display of entitlement and privelige. Campaigning for their father has not warmed democrats' hearts either.

As I said before, when people respond to a caricature, they're blowing off steam. None of us can ever really know what those two girls are like in real life.

[0007]

28. A bitch is a bitch is .....a.....


...bitch

[two gun sid]

33. I was gonna say.... "a.... Bush" eom

[0007]

44. Next time I do the photo

[Generator]

29. Too easy folks

Like picking on ants, or stomping on chicks.

I prefer my nastiness to go to those with power like the lizard creepizoid of the planet, Dick Cheney, aka the real brains behind the chimp.

[rzemanfl]

37. And his lesbian daughter who makes her living by being the

beer selling dyke daughter of that asshole. Alan Keye's daughter came out against him, so could the Bush and Cheney daughters. They don't because they want to stay in the Will, so the hell with them.

[barb162]

34. they have his genes, they are chips off the old block, etc

[BiggJawn]

36. They're public figures, they campaigned for their daddy...

...and they're fair game, IMO.

[anarchy1999]

38. Move it to the lounge! Who cares?

"Bashing the Bush daughters?" Anyone remember when Chelsea was being bashed as a child? I do.

IMHO, this just isn't a GD topic.

[cynatnite]

42. Apparantly the topic is okay for GD: Politics

Stayed there and wasn't moved.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1710687&mesg_id=1710687

[journalist3072]

41. You're absolutely right.

The only time they should be mentioned is when they do something newsworthy to get attention (like the underage drinking citations). They broke their own father's law there (that he signed as Gov of Texas), so that's news.

We should not be bashing their looks or clothing. We did not like when the right-wing did it to Chelsea Clinton, so we should not do it to Jenna and Barabara.

Most of us were in an uproar when Rush Limbaugh went on his tv show, announced that the new President (Clinton) had a White House dog, and then held up a picture of Chelsea. We also did not like it when John McCain said the reason Chelsea was so ugly, was because Janet Reno was her father.

The point is that we should not become what we despise.

[anarchy1999]

77. Oh so very well said. Thank you!

"The point is that we should not become what we despise."

Heed these words well, one and all!

[Malva Zebrina]

43. they were in politics

and were actively campaigning for their father's despicable policies. They also got paid for doing so.

And yes it is deserved.

They are not children, nor are they teenagers. They are grown adult women, who flouted the law until they got to this point in their "careers" which at this point seems to be a career in butt dancing and partying with no indication that they are willing to become sober and contributing memebers of society.

Their mother never did a thing in her life for others, and neither will they. They were born with a sense of entitlement and I for one, do not feel the least bit sorry for either of them. They are both, in spite of their education, total air headed, bimboes.

Many at their age, are working--they are not working. Many at their age were and are raising a family, have a baby or two that they are trying to raise and have risen above the total narcissistic preoccupation of these two twenty two year old women in themself, and became responsible adults caring for the other.

They have a rather disreputable reputation, and they earned it all by themself. They are rich,were born rich and entitled, and like their mother and father, think they can do anything they like and all that they do, is fine and dandy because they are the entitled youngsters.

But they are not children nor are they teenagers. They are simply spoiled brats.

[LibDemAlways]

74. By the time I was 22, I was

married, working two jobs, and attending grad school. I was an adult and acted like one.

Since when does adolescence extend into the twenties? And why is it acceptable for these two college graduates to continue to do nothing but party and embarrass themselves - on our dime?

[Tactical Progressive]

49. I don't dump on Laura or the Bushie twins

unless really provoked by nasty Republicans who sleaze on Hillary or Chelsea.

But just imagine if the Clintons had had the twins compared to say a Chelsea Bush. You could go onto any internet forum any time of the day or night to watch them vilify the first daughters in not-so-humorous terms. There would be no end to the self-righteous bile that would pour forth.

Just keep that in mind if you think somehow the occasional Dem tweak of the twins is unbecoming.

[earth mom]

51. So it's not "politically correct" to bash the twins & Laura?

:eyes: Sorry, but they are fair game simply because of their association with such an evil man. I question whether they are turning a blind eye to his evil deeds or could care less what he does as long as they are taken care of and get whatever they want out of it. :puke:
IMO, we should ALL be calling them on it.

[Tactical Progressive]

55. Oh please, he's just their father

I'd think less of them if they didn't care about their parents because of their politics.

They probably care more about what he says about how they dress than they do about his politics, which is as it should be.

And, just for the record, I'm pretty sure mom Laura is probably at heart a liberal outside of that family. I think of her as any of the many DU'ers here trapped in Republican families.

I imagine one of the daughters is probably a natural Dem too.

[cynatnite]

52. My curiosity is now satisfied.

What I've figured out so far is that some feel there is a right to trash them because of what's been said about Chelsea. Some don't care and some just like doing it for the enjoyment.

I was curious and this is not something I won't be doing, but people will do as they like. It serves no purpose and there is no benefit in doing so. If it was Tom Delay doing the butt wiggling and getting drunk, yeah, I'm all for anything that gets him out of office that much faster.

Since this is the Bush daughters, any derogatory remarks made will have no effect on the policies of this regime. Nothing is to be gained at all unless a person feels they have that right by the fact they don't like their father or his policies.

Thanks for the opinions, DU.

[Balbus]

54. Count me in!!!

Oops! Thought this thread was about "Banging" the Bush daughters...

nevermind.

[leftofthedial]

56. they are used as political whores by the little bushturd

and his rottweiler Rove.

Whenever we tire of their other distractions, they always float a drunken, slutty twins story or parade them on TV dressed like hookers.

[Dave Reynolds]

59. At least you didn't post.....

...banging the Bush daughters, cuz that would just be wrooooong...

[RetroLounge]

60. Why do you give a shit?

They are repug spawn, that's good enough for me.

RL

[riverwalker]

65. it's the Bush FAMILY Evil Empire

If rich, shallow, insensitive, selfish bimbette party girls want respect, they should consider earning it. Using the Secret Service as the Worlds Most Expensive Designated Driver is about the only contribution to the world they care to give.
The 2005 Liberal Handbook has been revised. Section 36, where it used to say be nice to everyone all the time, and Section 37 where it said take the high road even if it leads off a cliff, have now been deleted.

[Orsino]

67. Because they WILL be in politics.

What, the twins look like spoiled rich kids who don't take anything seriously? That didn't stop their father or uncle.

Whatever any member of the dynasty does deserves scrutiny, because a generation later it will be hidden, as far as is possible, to prop up an incompetent dilettante who is expert only in losing other people's money.

That's all the reason we need.

[donheld]

68. Bash W only

Bush has done plenty worthy of bashing, so there is no need to bash his daughters. If we focus only on the evil the girls father has done that will keep us plenty busy for years to come. It's not Jenna's or Barbara's fault they were born to the Moran in Thief

[Catchawave]

72. I'm not at all comfortable bashing the families....

...I think it should be hands off. Unless they're actively attacking the opposing party with personal attacks like Lynn Cheney did during the campaign. What a moran she was!

[Johonny]

73. They're fair game

They actively campaigned for their father in the last election. That makes them fair game. They helped there pro-Iraq war father get elected and yet do not bother to serve themselves. Given women their age are fighting right now in Iraq and dieing. I'd say I don't feel bad for the press the two get. To me the press can talk enough about military age single kids of pro war hawks that aren't fighting or even working!

[porphyrian]

78. Fuck those pieces of shit.

They are so in politics, they stumped for their piece of shit father in the last election. Fuck them all, the rotten family of traitors.