"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost"

[Rose Siding]

The Crusaders / Rolling Stone

snip>
"Most people hear them talk about a 'Christian nation' and think, 'Well, that sounds like a good, moral thing,' says the Rev. Mel White, who ghostwrote Jerry Falwell's autobiography before breaking with the evangelical movement. "What they don't know -- what even most conservative Christians who voted for Bush don't know -- is that 'Christian nation' means something else entirely to these Dominionist leaders. This movement is no more about following the example of Christ than Bush's Clean Water Act is about clean water."
.....
"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost," {Dominionist, D. James} Kennedy says. "As the vice regents of God, we are to exercise godly dominion and influence over our neighborhoods, our schools, our government, our literature and arts, our sports arenas, our entertainment media, our news media, our scientific endeavors -- in short, over every aspect and institution of human society."

At Reclaiming America, most of the conference is taken up by grassroots training sessions that supply ministers, retirees and devout churchgoers with "The Facts of Stem-Cell Research" or "Practical Steps to Impact Your Community with America's Historical Judeo-Christian Heritage." "We're going to turn you into an army of one," Gary Cass, executive director of Reclaiming America, promises activists at one workshop held in Evangalism Explosion Hall. The Dominionists also attend speeches by supporters like Rep. Katherine Harris of Florida, who urges them to "win back America for God." In their spare time, conference-goers buy books about a God-devised health program called the Maker's Diet or meet with a financial adviser who offers a "biblically sound investment plan."

To implement their sweeping agenda, the Dominionists are working to remake the federal courts in God's image. In their view, the Founding Fathers never intended to erect a barrier between politics and religion. "The First Amendment does not say there should be a separation of church and state," declares Alan Sears, president and CEO of the Alliance Defense Fund, a team of 750 attorneys trained by the Dominionists to fight abortion and gay marriage. Sears argues that the constitutional guarantee against state-sponsored religion is actually designed to "shield" the church from federal interference -- allowing Christians to take their rightful place at the head of the government. "We have a right, indeed an obligation, to govern," says David Limbaugh, brother of Rush and author of Persecution: How Liberals Are Waging War Against Christianity. Nothing gets the Dominionists to their feet faster than ringing condemnations of judicial tyranny. "Activist judges have systematically deconstructed the Constitution," roars Rick Scarborough, author of Mixing Church and State. "A God-free society is their goal!"

....MORE....

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7235393?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single7&rnd=1112887778015&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.1040

[Arkana]

1. The fact that these people have so much power

scares me more than anything. :scared:

[SaveElmer]

11. It's also what's gonna put Democrats back in power

These people are beginning to truly frighten moderate conservatives...I predict we will see a wave of these people moving to our side of things!

[Montauk6]

36. Nope, I don't believe that for a second...

All you've gotta do is mention tax cuts (or stoke the fear of tax hikes) and these heathens'll be yelling, "AMEN, BROTHER!!!"

I HOPE with all of my heart that I'm full of crap and that you're correct, but I'm still very jadedly cynical (or cynically jaded) after this last election.

After all, that's pretty much why the Log Cabin Republicans are still in existence (I'm sure it's not for those swanky Dominionist luncheons), correct (CURSE THESE CONSOVIET PIGS!!! Can't even bring myself to use the word "right" anymore!)?

[SaveElmer]

I believe they have reached the breaking point for many

Especially moderates who have supported them. Up till now our warnings about what the Republicans were up to has fallen on deaf ears because people by and large do not think it will affect them. Gay Marriage...who cares...most people don't think they will have to deal with that. Abortion...same thing. Tax and energy policy are to abstract and complex for the average person to really grasp

But now with Social Security...and especially the Schiavo thing...Republicans are beginning to interfere with things everyone knows will affect them personally...and they do not like it. I think, for many what the Republicans are doin has finally hit home with an enormous number of people, and I really think that a goo dnumber will turn their backs on them

[barb162]

46. I don't know about that. The GOP might split into 2 parties

[WindRavenX]

2. save me from the scary people

Please, dear lord, save me from your followers...

[indepat]

47. Be scared, be very afraid of what those of this ilk will do in the name of

God.

[BrklynLiberal]

3. I think that in order to emphasis their committment to their cause they

should all gather in a huge, magnificent hall, lock the doors, and set the place on fire with everyone inside.:evilgrin:

[sui generis]

8. I agree. The lord told me just now

that if they were to prove their faith in a fiery auto da fey, he would spare their lives and make them guardians of the faith walking among the mortals dispensing justice with bolts of lightning and godliness.

I think. It might have just been gas.

[BrklynLiberal]

13. Thank you so much. You said it so much more poetically than I.

O8) O8)

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Montauk6]

38. The only snag is they'd probably march in the kids first

[BlueEyedSon]

4. Why do they hate America? nt

[satireV]

5. They don't hate America . . .

They hate Americans.

[BlueEyedSon]

25. Disagree. They hate what America stands for: rule of law

freedom of and FROM religion
personal civic freedoms (speech & thought among them)
etc

[KamaAina]

54. They don't hate America. God hates America. (sarcasm)

http://godhatesamerica.com

The very latest from Fred Phelps and his merry band of uber-wackos. Seems that there Supreme Deity don't cotton much to a country that grants freedom to fags, feminists and the like. :sarcasm:

[Hollowkatt]

6. I think that once they start dying

like flies they will reconsider this policy.
The fundies arent the only ones that are willing to take up arms and start a religious civil war.

[DarleenMB]

65. Absolutely right

I said last fall that we'd be seeing blood in the streets before this mess was resolved. At the time I was talking about the election but that only reinforces my feeling that this country could very well be headed for a civil war that will make the first one look like a cake walk.

This fundie movement is NOT something new. It has been simmering away for decades. Over 25 years ago I became aware of the fact the religious zealots in this country were quietly and effectively performing a coup d'etat on the Republican party. This is the reason the R's have been shoved so very far to the right. We watched this in horror and kept asking ourselves when the moderates in that party were going to stand up and fight back. Sadly, for all of us, they never did.

Every day I am reminded of Margaret Atwood's THE HANDMAID'S TALE and how prescient it was. Don't bother with the movie, they made hash of the book. If you haven't read it, you should. And be very afraid.

[TahitiNut]

7. Rick Scarborough was on CSPAN this AM ... total nutcase!

In saner times, he'd be wearing a straitjacket and looking out a window covered with bars. A more insane zealot I've yet to see on CSPAN, and that's saying something.

[lukasahero]

9. Dear god

From their opening hymn: "Soldiers of the Cross, Arise," the bloodthirstiest tune in all of Christendom: "Seize your armor, gird it on/Now the battle will be won/Soon, your enemies all slain/Crowns of glory you shall gain."

So, ok, radical Islamists do it for the virgins, radical Christians do it for the crowns.

We need a "dejectedly shakes head" icon.

(Oh and before anyone goes nuts on me, I said "RADICAL" in both cases.)

[ProfessorGAC]

10. Why Do They Hate America?

Wait a second! I thought we were the best country in the world. I thought we had God on our side to do the right thing to bring stability and peace to the world. I thought we had the power of RIGHT to our cause.

If all that's true, like they say, then apparently we are already blessed. So, what is it they hate so much about America? How can being THE BEST, not be good enough? Focusing on little detailed flaws rather than the big picture they themselves have described as fantastic is the sign of either a disturbed mind or of a self-loathing that just won't quit.
The Professor

[nomaco-10]

12. We are fast headed towards a theocracy in this country....

In fact, I feel very comfortable in saying that we are already theocracy "lite" at this point. The founding fathers must be turning in their graves.

[Rose Siding]

19. 55% of Americans already say NO

It's a start

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•By 55%-40%, respondents say Republicans, traditionally the party of limited government, are “trying to use the federal government to interfere with the private lives of most Americans” on moral values.
.....
In the poll taken Friday and Saturday, Bush's job-approval rating is 48%, 3 percentage points higher than in mid-March. His standing on personal characteristics such as trustworthiness remains above 50%.

Still, Americans by 53%-34% say they disapprove of Bush's handling of the Schiavo case. Congress' rating on Schiavo is worse: 76% disapprove, 20% approve.

By more than 2-to-1, 39%-18%, Americans say the “religious right” has too much influence in the Bush administration. That's a change from when the question was asked in CBS News/New York Times polls taken from 2001 to 2003. Then, approximately equal numbers said conservative Christians had too much and too little influence.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20050406/1a_offlede06.art.htm

[BiggJawn]

32. Yeah, but, never mind all that..."Survivor" is on in a few hours...

Get the chips, beer, and "Dogfood Dip" ready!

Religious WHO? Sorry, I was watching the Teeeeeeee-Veeeeeee!

We live in a Nation of Sheep.
When Shrubby's numbers dip into the teens, MAYBE I'll get hope for this Roman Empire on the verge of collapse that WAS "America"...

[mzmolly]

52. Too bad they didn't get their asses out to vote.

Or if they did ~ too bad the votes weren't counted.

[BrklynLiberal]

14. It is impossible to distinguish these guys from the Fundamentalist

Islamists that are supposed to be the ones that are out to "destroy America".

[frictionlessO]

15. Should I remain a pacifist or get involved in this "war" they want

to wage against my culture and communities?

Seriously its this kind of crap that makes me want a physical confrontation... but then again it is much more fun to waggle my dick at them, smoke a joint and talk about the joys of hedonism.

In the end I guess I'll be what I am and show them forgiveness, compassion, tolerance and most of all understanding. They are afraid of nearly anything that is not to their liking, their cowardice prevails through the bulk of their intolerant actions. I mourn their loss of diginity and of that same compassion that I will have to show them... Christianity from a pagan like me and still they'll never understand that they have become what they ostensibly once despised.

[EFerrari]

16. In this climate, peace is war, isn't it? n/t

[frictionlessO]

35. Well Ill put it this way.... yes.

but you knew I'd say that! hehehe
Thye have spirtual egos that would make Zaphod poop towels!

[EFerrari]

56. LOL!

Someday soon, we'll get to say, "And nothing continued to happen."

A good thing and soon. :hi:

[G_j]

17. David Limbaugh?

geez.. I thought one was bad enough...

[Spike from MN]

18. OK, I thought this part was pretty funny.

In their spare time, conference-goers buy books about a God-devised health program called the Maker's Diet or meet with a financial adviser who offers a "biblically sound investment plan."

Sounds like something you'd read in The Onion.

[Merope215]

26. A biblically sound investment plan??

Do they invest in talents? :eyes:

[freestyle]

42. Sell all you have and give the money to the poor.

At least that is what Jesus told the rich young man who was dutifully following all the laws and asked what else he needed to do to gain salvation. That is one biblically sound investment plan. Jesus is not kind to those who accumulate wealth for its own sake.

[Merope215]

48. Good call

Most of these people should be looking for some very small camels and some very large needles.

[Tsiyu]

20. Last I read, Jesus was the "Prince of Peace"

Now, isn't that a crock of shit?

And he said "be humble" and "Don't judge other people" and "give to the poor" and "beware of men who love to be greeted in public, in their flowing robes" and he said those people were clean on the outside but filthy on the inside.

He said beware of people who lay burdens on others but who will not lift one finger to help them. Oh, Jesus said a lot of things ( though he never mentioned abortion, homosexuality or tax breaks for the rich) but none of those who call themselves Dominionists have read his words, it appears.

Christianity, to me, is a complete crock of bullshit in this case, when his self-proclaimed "followers" don't even listen to what he said.

And there can't be a god, becasue any almighty, omnipotent being who had his words twisted to justify hate, torture, murder, war, oppression, denial of rights and bigotry would have smote the sons of bitches by now.

So spare me the Christian wrapping, fundies. You're nothing but a band of gluttonous, warmongering, greedy, self-serving asswipes. Just admit it and cut the Jesus crap.

Please.

[Montauk6]

39. I'll always treasure that line from "Hannah & Her Sisters"

"If Jesus came back today, He wouldn't stop throwing up!"

Seriously though, if some guy emerged and said He was Jesus, how many of the worshippers would fall down grovelling before Him begging His Mercy? You'd get A FEW but we'd be questioning their sanity as well. Furthermore, that FEW would definitely not include the Bible Pimps (Robertson, Falwell, Reed, et al). I'm sure the Dominionists would go as far as to put a contract out on Him.

[Tsiyu]

41. No doubt

he'd be in Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib, considered an enemy combatant for daring to suggest that * might pray for his enemies rather than blowing them to bits.

[BrklynLiberal]

21. Here is a link to a thread with lots of info about Dominionism and

Reconstructionism..
Make sure you have your seatbelt on when you read this stuff.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1682377

[rocktivity]

31. Been there, done that, LOL

Anyone who's been a DU-er for more than a month already knows about this bunch. How kind of the mainstream media to finally catch up.

:headbang:
rocknation

[More Than A Feeling]

22. From a Biblical perspective, this is not the way of Christ.

When Jesus was tempted by Satan, one of the temptations was all the kingdoms of the Earth.

The price: the Son of God's allegiance to the Prince of Hell.

The lesson: ruling in the name of God is a temptation from Satan.

To think that one can do something that not even Jesus would do is idolatry and pride.

Why do these people not trust Christ? He said He would return and rule, so why do they have to jump the gun unless they didn't believe Him?

[LoZoccolo]

29. Which is why blanket attacks on religion...

...or even evangelical Christianity, aren't a strategy in fighting this which will do anything but tear our portion of the evangelicals away from our party.

(I'm not addressing you, but others.)

[Rainbowreflect]

23. Everyone should read Mel White's book "Stranger at the Gate".

It is the amazing story of his coming to terms with being gay & Christian. Very moving & inspirational.

[alfredo]

24. Kick this because it is important

:kick:

[RBHam]

27. America's traitors are out in the open...

You don't think these thugs couldn't rationalize 9-11 even if the truth about MIHOP emerged?

Think again.

These guys are simply polished Tim McVeighs...

Americans should be really worried...

You are only one more terror attack away from Gilead...

[da_chimperor]

28. These people are evil. REALLY evil.

If the dominionists succeed in their aims, America is fucked.

[RBHam]

30. Please nominate this page!

Very important.

[H2O Man]

33. But I thought Columbus

discovered America?

[LisaLynne]

34. This is an important point ...

"Most people hear them talk about a 'Christian nation' and think, 'Well, that sounds like a good, moral thing,' says the Rev. Mel White"

That's what my grandmother used to think before I argued with her for several years and finally convinced her of what these people are really up to. The trouble is that for most people the word "Christianity" is something that is good and benign and can only help people. They don't realize that these people are not talking about "love thy neighbor". That's the message that needs to get out.

[smoogatz]

37. Revising History, Misreading the Bible

"Our job is to reclaim America for Christ, whatever the cost," implies that at some point in its history, America was a Christian nation. I guess that's why there are so many references to God and Jesus in the Constitution. In fact, they DO hate America--at least America as it was envisioned by the guys who wrote the constitution, and as it's understood by the vast majority of Americans.

[Tactical Progressive]

40. Yes, those Native Americans were big Christ-cultists

'Buffalo drives for Jesus' and all.

Time to reclaim that heritage.

[saltpoint]

44. Hi, Tactical Progressive. Your post here prompted --

-- my response below to the OP.

Liked what you had to say a lot. Thanks.

[saltpoint]

43. From the Native American (Apache) leader Cochise:

“Tell me, if the Virgin Mary has walked throughout all the land, why has she never entered the wickiups of the Apaches? Why have we never seen or heard her?”

"Reclaiming America for Christ" is Christo-Fascism.

Shame on these people.

[PeaceProgProsp]

45. I wouldn't mind seeing America behave a little more like Christians --

-- you know, the kind that believes in a Christ who cares for the poor, who says it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven (because it's OK to get wealthy from your labor, but if you die rich, you've done something wrong), and who believes that we should let Ceasar take care of Ceasar's business, and god take care of God's business.\

Whether you believe in God or not, I think we can agree that that kind of Christian America wouldn't be a bad thing.

[ixion]

49. dominionism on the march

They're zealots, they're insane, and they're coming to a ballot box near you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=34888

[mzmolly]

50. "A God-free society is their goal!" ... AH NO, a FREE society is the goal.

Dumbasses. :grr:

[soleft]

51. Just struck me - we have nuclear weapons to partly thank for these people

It's been building up for 60 years - the thought of anihilation is so traumatically threatening people have turned to psychopatheic cultic beliefs in order to function in their day to day lives.

[Q]

53. These fanatics can say this because they know that most Americans...

...have never studied American history or the writings of the Founders. If they had studied...they would know that Limbaugh and the rest of these loons are perverting the Constitution for their own gain.

If reading the first amendment isn't good enough...then they should read Jefferson and other Framers who spelled out the meaning of the first amendment and the reason for the wall of separation. They made it clear that religion and politics were destructive and that when mixed meant the end of civil liberties.

[paineinthearse]

55. It's just a matter of time before CSPAN has D. James Kennedy on JOURNAL.

[Kosmos Mariner]

57. Thank the Founders for the 2nd Amendment!

I never thought I'd ever hear myself say that, but their genius is becoming evident. If fanatics keep pushing for this Holy War, I think many people will be happy to send them to their maker. Hopefully Americans will wake up and free themselves from the spell of tax cuts, and flag waving before we go down this ugly path. As much as it seems Joe Six Pack is forever lost to the zealots, I think most Americans deep down have strong feeling toward protecting civil liberties and our American way. They'll come around, we just have to keep ringing the bells.


:dem:

[rucky]

58. They don't have the guts to enlist

they won't come-a-marchin' down your street anytime soon.

windbags.

[Kimber Scott]

59. Bone chilling... I didn't know Roy Moore wanted to execute gays.

"Activist judges, of course, are precisely what the Dominionists want. Their model is Roy Moore, the former Alabama chief justice who installed a 5,300-pound granite memorial to the Ten Commandments, complete with an open Bible carved in its top, in the state judicial building. At Reclaiming America, Roy's Rock sits out front, fresh off a tour of twenty-one states, perched on the flag-festooned flatbed of a diesel truck, a potent symbol of the "faith-based" justice the Dominionists are bent on imposing. Activists at the conference pose for photographs beside the rock and have circulated a petition urging President Bush to appoint Moore -- who once penned an opinion calling for the state to execute "practicing homosexuals" -- to the U.S. Supreme Court."

[et in Arcadia ego...]

60. "Our job is to reclaim Egypt for Horus, whatever the cost"-

-Pharoah supporters, 1250 bce. :eyes:

[Solly Mack]

61. You know, those people really are

in need of therapy and some serious medication.

I don't feel sorry for them though.

They remind me of a rabid dog...foaming at the mouth, determined to go in one direction, and a danger to everyone around them...

upon reflection...I have way more sympathy for a rabid dog.

[JamboGuide]

62. E-mail to organizations

Maybe to MovOn.org or the DNC or EVEN CONNECTED. Hell, CONNECTED was the ONLY show i was yesterday that did the Wild West FL law so maybe they would discuss this.

[Left Is Write]

63. It's frightening that people even THINK that way.

I don't want my religion in the government, and I don't want the government in my religion. Period.

[Avalux]

64. Memo to Reclaiming America:

Jesus wasn't about takeovers of governments; he didn't want to govern. He didn't try to make money from bogus diets and investment plans in his name.

:rofl:

[Cell Whitman]

66. They are doing what they were brought together to do by their "Saviour"

This thread and others here at DU really do my heart good. About 4 years ago when I would post places that we were heading to an Americanized theocracy, I was laughed at by wingnuts and would get poo poo'd even on liberal boards.

Now if everyone will come to realize who did this to our nation.

You do all understand that there is a REASON these people have been brought to power. There is someone who stated bluntly that his job as "savior" was to bring the Christian RIGHT together for political power in America.

THAT WAS HIS STATED GOAL from 30 years ago.

He did it. He financed it, he guided it, he molded it. Sure there are others on board now, sure they have many sources of theocratic fascist lies today, but 25 years ago it wasn't that way. They needed a boost, a savior. Without him we would still be having debates between democrats and republicans NOT Democrats and theocratic fascists.

A creature like Bush would NEVER have been a nominee let alone president. Does anyone honestly think that we would be dealing with these freaks were it not for their Saviour Moon's billions, front groups and guidance? The Washington Times alone has made much of this possible.

Make no mistake, there is a REASON why we are going down this path. Moon calls it the "natural subjugation of the American government and population." Our nation is being subjugated.

Falwell, LaHaye, Viguerie...the kingpins of the religious right when this was getting off the ground were all funded by Moon at one time or another...His organization selected who would get backing. They selected who would get to write for his propaganda rag and get face time on TV as such. He PAID to raise them up. He brought them together with his front groups.

The "new" right and their so called "religious" leaders, are Moon's theocratic political army, they ARE his soldiers in the natural subjugation of our nation. It is happening as designed.







Read an outline of the who, what, why, where and how we are being manipulated here:
http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/

[Cell Whitman]

67. Photo of Bush and Bar with Mrs. "Messiah"...

George and Bar Bush greet Mrs. Messiah backstage at the Tokyo dome on one of George Bush's trips around the world selling the name and prestige of the office of the presidency to Moon.

Sadly for the soul selling former president, Mr. Messiah and savior of the right, could not be in the photo. Japan, trying in small measure to protect their citizens from a "madman," won't allow Moon into the country.

Kind of hard for people around the world to criticize Moon when a former president will sell out his nation to him and gives him his seal of approval.

[Zhade]

68. Can I just say, uh, YIKES.

Not a Christian nation, guys. Sorry to break it to you.