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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:49 AM
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Movie asks if 'Prince of Darkness' is responsible for UFOs
By LAURIE KIEFABER
Tribune News Editor


Tuesday, April 5, 2005 12:54 AM EDT

That's the principal behind the movie "The RUFO Hypothesis," which was shown Thursday at the North Manchester Public Library by members of TruthSeekers.

TruthSeekers is an information disseminating group interested in exploring current events through a Biblical world view, according to Tim Morbitzer, one of the group's organizers.

The movie is a companion to "Lights in the Sky & Little Green Men" by astronomer Hugh Ross, philosopher/theologian Kenneth Samples and national security expert Mark Clark.

The film starts with events from July 1947, when an alien spacecraft supposedly crashed near Roswell, N.M. In the movie, host Greg Koukl talks with the authors of "Lights in the Sky" about this event, future UFO sightings and abductions in an almost news/talk show format.

http://www.perutribune.com/articles/2005/04/05/local_news/local61.txt
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CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:49 AM
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1. Ozzy Osborne??
:-)
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:50 AM
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2. Richard Perle? or maybe Cardinal Marcinkus?
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 10:51 AM by emad

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:05 AM
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12. I thought Perle was "pince of darkness" maybe just a duke..
as in DOD Duke of Darkness...
What do you say to reasonable people who claim to have seen a UFO???

My pal says he saw a ghost at a Newport RI mansion{where ghosts are frequently reported} Do I believe him??
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:52 AM
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5. Bob Novak???
:-)

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fertilizeonarbusto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:51 AM
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3. Aw, Gawd
Can the Rapture start so these people can be taken to God and away from us? What they don't know is that what they think is God is really a very hungry Cthlulhu...
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:52 AM
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4. Cthlulhu? Is that a kind of goatsucker?
?
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:59 AM
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8. I sure hope so
D. All of the above

and Cthulhu isn't particularly fond of virgins, not a picky eater at all. Sour disposition? No problem. Self-described sainthood? No problem. Moral majority? Yummm. Republican Hair? Not a problem at all. Soft on the outside and crunchy in the middle.

Funny thing is if the real christian god of most moderate christians was waiting for them, they would certainly get an express ticket to hell for their deeds.

So I say, rapture away!
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The Revolution Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:03 AM
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10. CTHULHU FHTAGN!
nt
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:24 AM
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15. gesundheit!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:57 AM
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6. WTF, these fundies will stop at nothing to exploit superstition...
...and ignorance for their own gains. :wtf:
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:58 AM
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7. Trust the Bible on this one, folks:
People can trust the Bible, which states malevolent or fallen angels and demons are not as powerful as God but are more powerful than people. Ross and the other authors believe they are capable of this unusual movement and defying the laws of physics.

Samples believes alien abductions and UFO sightings have occult origins and only people who have participated in occult activity have these UFO experiences. Examples of occult activity can include involvement in astrology, using tarot cards or a Ouija board, being a medium between the living and the dead, divination or predicting the future.

"Some say there is a distinct parallel between UFOs and demonology," Samples said.
http://www.perutribune.com/articles/2005/04/05/local_news/local61.txt
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:03 AM
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11. gee whiz you'da thought that
if you were a powerful malevolent being you might come up with a better way to scare the peasants and goatherders than s-c-a-r-y lights in the sky.

These people are truly completely batshit crazy
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:59 AM
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9. I think people should be forced
to read Carl Sagan's books so idiocy can stop gaining a foothold.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:06 AM
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13. It's everywhere....
Especially in Roswell, NM. Directly across from the UFO museum is a place called "Alien Resistance" which is supported by fundies to prove that interest in aliens is Satanic in origin.... Both sides of the street are a little nuts. :)
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 11:18 AM
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14. Well, er, actually, as outlandish as it may sound,
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 11:23 AM by Minstrel Boy
I think an occultic explanation of the phenomena makes more sense than the extraterrestrial explanation.

I've written why I think so on my blog:

The Occult History of the National Security State

The Great Satan

The Banality of the Weird

From "The Great Satan":

We've already engaged in some high speculation with respect to the hidden hand of Aleister Crowley in the occult subtext of the National Security State. Perhaps, just perhaps, Crowley's "Amalantrah Working" had succeeded in creating a dimensional portal, through which the prototypical "Grey," whom he called Lam, crossed. And that the "Babalon Working" of his American adepts, Jet Propulsion Laboratory's Jack Parsons and L Ron Hubbard, created a breech, initiating the modern "UFO" phenomenon.

To this understanding, the UFO phenomenon does not demonstrate extraterrestrial contact. It demonstrates a summoning.

And we should note here that if there is any credence to this, then behind the modernity lie the "Enochian entities" of the Elizabethan spiritualist and Royal advisor Dr John Dee, who was "almost certainly a prime mover in the 'Illuminati' and 'Rosicrucian Brotherhoods' of that time, which played a central role in the birth of modem science."

Let's consider this UFO case, from July 6, 1959. Major Robert Friend, the acting chief of "Project Blue Book" at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, was asked to travel to Washington to evaluate a discovery of Naval Intelligence. Two officers had traveled to Maine the month before, to meet a woman "who claimed to be in contact with extraterrestrials":

The officers met the woman and watched her enter a trance and become a “communications link.” The woman sat mesmerized. Only her arm from the elbow down moved. It scribbled out meaningless circles interspersed with legible letters. They spoke questions to which answers appeared within the scribbling. The answers indicated they were coming from a kind of space patrol leader named “AFFA.”

According to the officers a number of unverifiable answers were offered to such questions such as, “What is the population of Jupiter?” Among other things, AFFA said he and his men were part of an inter-solar-system police force investigating atomic tests on Earth. But more interestingly, the Navy intelligence men posed questions incompatible with her education of technical understanding- questions like “What is the length of the Uranus ‘ day?” and “What is the distance between Jupiter and the sun at Jupiter’s apogy?” “Her” answers were correct, the two incredulous investigators later reported to Friend.

About 2 p.m. July 6, 1959, at a secret government office concealed on the top story of a garage at 5th and K St., N.W., Washington, D.C., one of the two commanders, just back from Maine, went into a trance during which he wrote messages which indicated they were from an individual named “AFFA.” AFFA’s origin: planet Uranus.

Another Navy intelligence and a civilian intelligence officer were present.
...
Among the more interesting interchanges later reported to Friend were the following:

Q. It’s very interesting that we are talking with someone that we can see, but can see have proof of your existence?

A. What kind of proof do you want?

Q. Can we see you or your craft?

A. When do you want to see?

Q. Now.

A. Go to the window.

All the intelligence people went to the window, where they saw a UFO fly by (i.e.) not stationary) a short distance away. As they later told Friend it was saucer shaped and brighter around the perimeter than in the center.

The confusion that followed ended the communication with AFFA.


Of interest to us here is the fact that "AFFA" is a word in the "angelic" Enochian language given Dee by the entities which had contacted him in the 17th Century. "AFFA" means "nothing," or "empty."

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 08:29 AM
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16. Thanks for that. From my own experience all UFO stories since the
1960s have been either military counter-intelligence or security/intelligence cover up campaigns.

In the UK much of the Project Blue Book ops were deliberate misinformation stories to whitewash over cold war infiltration by former Stalin and/or Hitler controlled operatives who had been bankrolled into Western public life via indetity theft ops.

Much UK Official Secrets Act relates to this - especially to paedophile criminal convictions of high profile public figures in the military, House of Windsor "Royal" family, politics, judiciary, finance, etc.

The sell-by date on much of this runs out with the eventual death of "Queen Elizabeth II" - a composite cold-war Soviet implant.

Some British UFOlogy also relates to cover-ups of paedophile cult practices by cult groups like the Hellfire Club of the Children of God sects, many of whom were busted for heroin/cocaine-driven drunken child sex orgies in the UK. The most famous of these took place in 1962 in the grounds of the Polish religious order the Marian Fathers UK HQ, Fawley Court in Helnely on Thames, Oxfordshire. The cops busted the orgy which was supposedly trying to replicate an occult rite described by former necromancer/junkie Aleister Crowley in one of his grimoires.
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