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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:58 PM
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Stay Vigilant...with all this trouble, something big's gonna happen.
I'm just sayin'
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:00 PM
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I agree
Something big is coming up, if something happens to Bush, the GOP will use it big time, the next two years is going to be scary. We are even worried here in NewZealand, we have just discovered a bit of Oil last year.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:04 PM
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2. I'm thinkin' the Delay shit's gonna be enough to set it off. On the oil..
The ultimate distraction would be another war, which is what bush needs right now. You hear chatter about Venezuela. You know what Venezuela's got?

O.I.L.

The good kind, light crude.


Check it out:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&ItemID=7439
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:18 PM
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25. Isn't that the acronym for
Operation Iraqi Liberation?


http://www.kliljedahl.net
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:32 PM
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34. that was the original name for the illegal invasion of iraq, yes...(nt)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:04 PM
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3. Frankly, it's not the blivet personally I'm worried about.
It's what his long arm might do.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:11 PM
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5. Can't put anything past them. (nt)
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:22 PM
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28. Cool! I've been wanting to invade...er...visit New Zealand! n/t
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:00 PM
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1. I expect they'll dust off a few unused Terra Lerts
any time now.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:05 PM
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4. at least. They'll have to keep the threat of terror simmering on the
burner just to keep us all in line.

But the American people are starting to get wise to this fascism.

So whatever they do, it'll have to be big.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:11 PM
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6. They lost their "mojo." They'll screw up their next big thing.
These one trick ponies have run out of luck but not need for fear generating events. Next time out, they'll f'it up. Count on it.
Nice thread.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:39 PM
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7. thanks...I hope you're right. Even if they don't f' it up, it'll be
catastrophic.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:55 PM
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8. Remember, you heard it here first...(nt)
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:01 PM
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9. Two things I keep saying to those in fear of
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 10:26 PM by BlueIris
the next big thing (terrorism, randomly-declared martial law, worse...think G.W.B. Boulevard worse, people): 1) If you've got it; blog it. I have been happy to see my favorite blog writers throwing out their concerns about patterns of irregular activities in certain American cities lately which might be indicators those cities are being scoped out by You Know Who as targets for the second 9/11. At this point, I don't care about credibility, I don't care about attribution--even if the publicity is "only" online, it's still publicity. The more attention paid to the potential attack, the less likely that attack is to happen, IMHO. 2) Be prepared. I know it sounds crazy to advocate stocking up on bottled water, Rx meds you might need (if it's possible for you to "stock up" on those) and other necessities but...I have been. Hopefully most of you have been, too. Just in case. You don't have to live in any more constant paranoia than you do already, but I really think everyone should be at least a bit cautious.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:13 PM
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10. great advice, great post. Thanks, blue.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:38 PM
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12. Your post is important, BI..
If you've got it, blog it!
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 08:08 AM
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16. Don't forget the guns!
Or else all the stocking up in the world is useless.
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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:31 PM
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11. reminds me of a book "there must be a pony"
the line that tied into the title was a story about a boy who got nothing but a big pile of horse shit for Christmas. Instead of being crushed, he was ecstatic as he grabbed a shovel and started digging, shouting" with all this horse shit, there must be a pony!"
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 07:44 AM
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13. thanks...needed that laugh this morning.,
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 07:52 AM
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14. there is every reason to cry wolf
where's paul revere when you need him?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 08:50 AM
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17. I don't know, but we've got MoPaul-Revere in da HOUSE!!!!!!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 07:55 AM
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15. NPR says Romans will not go near the Vatican tomorrow
they are saying they are afraid something is going to happen there
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 08:51 AM
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18. Could be...a little healthy paranoia never hurt anyone. (nt)
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 09:00 AM
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19. I'm just prayin'
.
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Discord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 09:01 AM
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20. I try to not be an alarmist... but I've been smelling
something coming on the horizon.

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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:57 PM
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21. I'm thinking were going into Venezuela...(nt)
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one_true_leroy Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:13 PM
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22. with what, the Coast Guard?
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 01:15 PM by one_true_leroy
edit: no offense to any Coasties here, I'm just sayin' we can't really 'liberate' any country that isn't touching Iraq.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:16 PM
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23. oooh...just gotta chill...is it drafty in here, or is it just me? I am
dead serious:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&ItemID=7439


A statement released on March 8 and signed by almost 400 Venezuelan journalists accused the US government and media of a campaign to prepare the ground for a US military attack on oil-rich Venezuela.

According to translation of the statement posted at the Venezuela Analysis website, it begins by declaring: “As it was done in the past to Guatemala, the Dominican Republic, Chile, Grenada, and Haiti, the government of the United States today targets the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela with all its media and propaganda power. In those brother nations, such campaigns served as the preamble for an armed invasion by the main global military power.”

The journalists claim the aim of the current US campaign of “lies, distortion, and manipulation” is the “overthrow President Hugo Chavez Frias' democratic government”.

In February, the Venezuelan government publicly accused the US government of plotting to assassinate Chavez. Tensions were further heightened when the Venezuelan government announced it had detected the secret presence of “US Marines, along with military planes and amphibious vehicles” on the Caribbean island of Curacao, just 75 kilometres from the Venezuelan mainland, according to an Associated Press report on March 1.

The announcement, by Venezuelan Navy Commander Armando Laguna, sent a wave of panic in Venezuela about an “imminent US invasion”, according to a March 1 Venezuela Analysis report.

National Assembly deputy William Lara claimed the US military presence was part of "a plan to intimidate and provoke by the US".

Venezuela Analysis reported on March 5 that the US ambassador to Venezuela, William Brownfield, had expressed regret at the “lack of communication” over the incident. The Vheadline website reported on March 8 that the Curacao government had categorically stated that it would not allow the island to be the base for any attack on Venezuela.

Venezuela's accusations against Washington were given added credibility when Venezuelan Vice-President Jose Rangel told the media that former US ambassador to Venezuela Charles Shapiro had informed him of a potential plot to kill Chavez.

According to a March 9 Vheadline report, current US ambassador Brownfield confirmed that Shapiro had informed the Venezuelan government that US officials had information of a potential assassination attempt. Brownfield denied that the US government was party to the plot.

However, during a visit to India in early March, Chavez publicly reiterated his accusation that the US was plotting to assassinate him, declaring that “if something happens to me, there is only one person responsible for it, and his name is George W. Bush”.

Oil threat According to a March 5 South Asia Media website report, Chavez repeated his threat to cease selling Venezuelan oil to the US in the event of any US or US-backed attack on Venezuela.

While Washington has been hostile to the Venezuelan government ever since Chavez's election in December 1998, a public campaign by both government officials and the US media has been underway since Condoleezza Rice became US secretary of state in January.

Referring to Chavez in a January 26 speech to a US Senate foreign relations committee, Rice said that Bush administration was “very concerned about a democratically elected leader who governs in an illiberal way”.

This was the start of a ceaseless campaign against the Venezuelan government waged by US officials and the US media. Highlights have included the director of the CIA, Peter Goss, publicly targeting Venezuela as the leading Latin America nation the US is concerned about and a TV documentary run by Fox News in early February under the title The Iron Fist of Hugo Chavez.

The essence of the campaign has been to demonise Chavez, who has won nine national elections in six years, by claiming that he is moving to establish a dictatorship and using Venezuela's oil wealth to support “terrorists” in Colombia and “destabilising” Bolivia.

The Chavez government denies providing material assistance to any armed groups in Colombia or to any of the groups inside Bolivia that are organising ongoing protests against the neoliberal policies of the Bolivian government. The US government has provided no concrete evidence to support its charges.

Nonetheless, the US State Department, in its annual human rights report, released in February, accused the Venezuelan government of having a “poor” human rights record. The report singled out alleged harassment of political opponents and charged that Chavez government officials had “increased their control over the judicial system”.

Rangel denounced the report as “more lies, more falsifications, more hypocrisy” and declared that the US had “no moral authority” to criticise Venezuela. He accused Washington of being the biggest violator of human rights in the world, singling out the “murder” of civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan and the violation of human rights in the US-operated “concentration camp” at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The US human rights group Washington Office on Latin America also criticised the report for singling out Venezuela for alleged breaches of human rights while letting pro-US regimes like Colombia off the hook. Despite an increase in Colombia of politically motivated murders, the State Department report claimed the human rights situation there has improved.

US corporate interests Behind Washington's propaganda campaign against Chavez, however, is not any concern about the growth of “tyranny” in Venezuela, but rather concern over the threat posed by the Chavez government to the profits of US corporations. Chavez is leading a popular process known as the “Bolivarian revolution” that is challenging US domination in the region and redistributing wealth and political power to the 80% of Venezuelans who live in poverty.

Venezuela supplies up to 15% of US oil imports and the US purchases up to 60% of Venezuela's oil output. A key goal of the Chavez government has been ensuring full government control over Venezuela's oil industry in order to use its earnings to eradicate poverty. This has put Venezuela at odds with US oil corporations, and therefore at odds with the US government.

In November, Chavez announced that his government would begin to enforce the law passed in 2001 that calls for a dramatic increase in the royalties foreign corporations pay to the Venezuelan government for the extraction of oil inside Venezuela. ExxonMobil has denounced the increase and is considering mounting a legal challenge, according to a February 28 Venezuela Analysis report.

In December, Venezuela signed an agreement with China that includes plans for Venezuela to sell large amounts of oil to China. Although China does not currently have the refining capacity to deal with Venezuela's high-sulphur oil, the agreement sparked concern among US commentators about the potential for Venezuela to either cease or significantly decrease its oil sales to the US.

This concern was further fuelled when, on February 3, Chavez publicly stated his displeasure at what he considered was Venezuelan oil “subsidising Mr Bush”. Although Venezuela has repeatedly insisted it does not intend to cease oil sales to the US, Chavez is clearly looking to diversify Venezuela's oil markets and reduce its dependency on selling oil to the US.

The Venezuelan government has also begun cracking down on corporate tax evasion, fining and temporarily closing down businesses that fail to obey the law. McDonald's and Coca-Cola have been two high-profile targets of the campaign, forced to shut down their operations in Venezuela this year for two days for failing to have their books in order.

The anti-tax evasion campaign has netted the Venezuelan government a 50% increase in tax revenue, which the government is using to fund a 24% increase in the minimum wage.

On top of this, since winning an August 15 referendum on continuing his presidency, Chavez has been pushing for a significant deepening of the Venezuelan revolutionary process. In an article posted on March 8 on the Seven Oaks magazine website, Derrick O'Keefe commented: “There is no doubt that the United States government understands the significance of the current direction of the process in Venezuela. An oil-rich country with a radical, anti-imperialist government which has received repeated, indisputable democratic mandates and now advocates for socialism, the government in Caracas poses the gravest ‘threat of a good example' since the Cuban Revolution of 1959.”

The combination of Washington's isolation in Latin America and its need for Venezuelan oil is likely to keep at bay the threat of a direct military attack by the US, but it is also clear the Bush administration is preparing the ground for an attack of some sort against the Chavez government.

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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:17 PM
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24. Hopefully not another LIHOP
:scared:
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:21 PM
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27. I think a Venezuelan oil war, bio-terror attack on US soil, something.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:19 PM
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26. Do we wait for it...
...or do we make it happen?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:23 PM
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29. depends on what you mean...I'd like to make the destruction of the Pukes
happen...

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:25 PM
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31. I don't know what I mean...
...I'm just tired of waiting for it. Patience isn't one of my strong traits.
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Terran1212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:23 PM
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30. Revolution?
A nice revolution would be fun
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:27 PM
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32. Tommy Franks has already warned us...
Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:29 PM
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33. The constitution hasn't been able to survive Right Wing terrorists, much
less, what the other people who hate us will do.
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