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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:30 PM
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Why Should Bush Take Carter Anywhere?
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 05:33 PM by kliljedahl
Latest screed from Limpballs:

Excuse me, I feel a need to go disinfect myself after reading this.

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RUSH: All right, we're going to go to the audio sound bites because at NBC's Today Show, very troubled are they that Jimmy Carter... (Malaise Speech video) Can I ask, before I play this audio, just a simple question? Why in the world should George W. Bush take Jimmy Carter anywhere? Why in the world should George W. Bush extend courtesies to Jimmy Carter? Jimmy Carter has his Nobel Peace Prize that he's coveted his whole life for one reason, because he spent a whole year going around the world trashing George W. Bush, his administration; trashed him personally and trashed our foreign policy. Folks, they're never going to say this at it White House but there's no question that this is part of it but there are also other reasons, and they delve into these. Well, they delve into the snub aspect of this. Matt Lauer talking with Andrea Mitchell today on the Today Show, Matt Lauer said, "President Bush with his father and former President Clinton are off today to Rome. Why isn't Jimmy Carter going? What's the story back there?"

MITCHELL-GREENSPAN: Well, it is a question a lot of people are asking: Why isn't Jimmy Carter part of that White House delegation? And the inescapable conclusion, Matt, is that he was snubbed.

RUSH: Yeah.

MITCHELL-GREENSPAN: Carter clearly did want to go, but the White House said there was no room. You have to wonder why the White House couldn't have asked the Vatican to permit one more person in the Basilica -- particularly a Nobel laureate who actually worked on Third World issues with John Paul II -- and it seems as though the snub may have had something to do with Carter's strong criticism of the president at last summer's Democratic convention.

Link: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_040605/content/rush_is_right.guest.html


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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:36 PM
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1. Rush talks as though Bush is footing the bill personally
Count on the Republicans to turn the funeral of the pope into political payback. It is beyond crass.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:37 PM
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17. heyyyy rush itsd our money paying and as a catholic i want
Carter there not the f'ing chimp who my pope called the anti christ!!

get it now rush..i am paying and its my pope..got it rush..my pope respected and liked carter..he hated your chimp lying pig!! enough to call him the anti christ!!

and your liar said only 5 were invited..well why was andy card there and condi murdering rice standing where Carter belonged..and it was 7 of them there lying rush that i paid for not 5 like the white house put their filthy lies on!!

hey rush..go take you illegal pills and shut your lying trap about my pope...

therte were 7 of them there liar rush..and this white house said only 5 were invited..why7 rush did i pay for andy card and condi and not Carter??

its my airplane rush i pay for it!!

stick it you lying filth rush..go condi yourself!!..or oxycondi yourself..you filth!

fly
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:36 PM
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2. Limbaugh is clearly an idiot
George W. Bush does not deserve to breathe the same air as Jimmy Carter.
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Jesus Saves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:38 PM
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3. Cry baby Bush
One thing's for sure Bush ain't ever gonna get the Nobel Peace prize. His name will be remembered as a mark of shame both on our country and on the world.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:40 PM
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20. ohh no not the world..they despise him..you can't put this on the world!!
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 06:40 PM by flyarm
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:15 PM
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33. Hey - other cry babies resent that!
>sarcasm off<
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ltfranklin Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:19 PM
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35. I don't know...
Maybe he can get some congressman to write in a nomination to the Nobel Prize Committee...then at least he could add "Nobel Prize Nominee" after his name.

Hey, if it worked for some Florida doctor, it ought to work for him!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:39 PM
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4. eah, why would we want our most Christian President and a man
who promoted world peace to represent us? Sounds like the narcotic's junkie was earning his $21MM from the RNC today...
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:43 PM
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5. my view -- why should former President Carter have to endure Bush?
He's getting older, his time on Earth is limited, and he shouldn't have to spend any of it, being condescended to by George W.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:47 PM
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6. "Jimmy Carter has his Nobel Peace Prize"
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 05:47 PM by Career Prole
"Jimmy Carter has his Nobel Peace Prize that he's coveted his whole life for one reason, because he spent a whole year going around the world trashing George W. Bush, his administration; trashed him personally and trashed our foreign policy."

That's right, you pimple-assed draft-dodger...in other words, he earned it! Sucks being you, don't it?
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:51 PM
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7. I couldn't believe he said that
Almost threw up at that point.



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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:58 PM
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8. Me too, I thought it was an Onion piece!
Chimpy getting a "peace" prize after he told the world he was a "war president"!!! I'm like spraying my screen here. Too bad the Pope can't rise from the dead and ring his neck as he stood over his body. I wish the Vatican would call Carter and extend a PERSONAL INVITATION for Friday's funeral. Who can we email?
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:03 PM
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9. whose side is clinton on?
:shrug:
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Sewsojm Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:10 PM
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10. That's what I'd like to know!
What's with Clinton? Why is he associating himself with this scum??
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:14 PM
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11. Sorry, Newbie here...
But being a newbie doesn't bar you from having an opinion.

I hate Shrub* just as much as the next guy, but come on. If we're going to criticize him endlessly, call him stupid, call him a fascist, do you honestly think he'll want to be around us? Yes, he did take Clinton along, but Clinton didn't endlessly criticize him like Carter did. JMHO. Tell me if I'm wrong.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:18 PM
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12. Thats not the part that matters....
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 06:18 PM by Wolsh
The republicans like to bitch and moan about "respecting the office" but they show their hypocritsy by snubbing Carter.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:18 PM
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13. But they included Clinton...
Certainly, Clinton is far worse in a Repug's eyes than Carter, even if they think he went out of his way to criticize him.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:20 PM
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14. and they snubbed another living president....
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but Jimmy Carter should have been offered the chance to go as part of the delegation for no other reason then he's a former president.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:25 PM
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15. A former prez who...
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 06:27 PM by ImpeachTheChimp
They think went over the top in his criticisms of them. My point is that we can't very well have the best of both worlds in criticizing these people and THEN asking them to do nice stuff for us. It doesn't work that way. Sometimes we just have to take our lumps.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:28 PM
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16. The only fact that matters is FORMER PRESIDENT...
The man should get automatic acceptance to any delegation, especially ahead of the Sec. of State.


Not to mention, they flat-out lied to him.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:38 PM
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19. I'm sorry...
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 06:40 PM by ImpeachTheChimp
He's just not an official gov. official. No former prez should be put ahead of the Sec. of State. Shrub was wrong to lie, however, there are other officials going, just not as part of the "official" delegation. Perhaps that's how Card went, and maybe Carter can go that way, too.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:01 PM
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26. ohh b.s. you are making ridiculous excuses!!
there are no excuses and to top it off we were lied to about it..come on you can not possible thing a Sec of state supersedes a former president!!

not for something like this..thats preposterous! that is not national decorum!!

fly

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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:06 PM
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28. The sec. of state...
Does supersede a former prez, no matter who that sec. of state is or who that former prez. is. Especially in times like this. That is the whole point of the sec. of state's job.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #28
45. You call that a Secretary of State
Why would you come around here making excuses for dubby?
I mean Andy Card really did his part in letting dubby read the goat story while New York burned, so you can see why he belongs. sarcasm
I wonder what business Condi is hoping to attend to. It's a funeral, not a meeting of the mindless.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:04 PM
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49. He is a head of state, too...
That's why she's there.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:36 PM
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56. I know he was head of the Catholic Church
What does that make Condi?
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:39 PM
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58. Condi is the Sec. of State
Vatican City is a sovereign nation, with the pope as it's head. Ergo, as Sec. of State, it is Rice's responsibility to be there.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:48 PM
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67. You're just going round and round
Condi can't even run her own boots. And like I asked before, what kind of high level discussions will be going on? It is a funeral, not a State of the World conference. Maybe she should get her ducks in a row and wait for a new Pope to be chosen so she can go to work.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:40 PM
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59. and Carter was president of our nation when the pope was chosen
and Carter was the only head of state for the USA when the pope came to the white house..he sure didnt come to condi's White House or her hea d of any state..but this pope sure came to Carters White House when he was head of the Nation...now tell us ..what was andy card head of..ohhh yes starting an illegal murderuous war!!..yes that why he should go ahead of Carter!!..bullst!

fly
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:35 PM
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55. so whats your excuse for andy card..i bet you have an excuse for anything
i bet you have an excuse for andy card or anything * does inappropriately!!

this is inappropriate!! period!!

fly
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:42 PM
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61. I have no excuses for anyone...
And I've no idea why you would accuse me of having an excuse for anyone in Shrub's admin. I am merely stating that any Sec. of State has more of a right to be at any foreign leader's funeral than any former prez. It's their job.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:59 PM
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75. where does it say that for a funeral?? come one what part
of the constitution does it say that..come on bring it on..for a funeral where is that in our laws?? bring it on!!

where does it say for decorum for a funeral the secretary of state goes before a former president???

especially a president who has a long history with a pope//come on tell us where we can look that up!!

fly
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. The state department isn't even
mentioned in the Constitution. Neither is any other department, but the state department's job is (for lack of a better term) keeping up our image in the world. Funerals for heads of state are a part of that.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:04 PM
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100. and the first president to welcome a pope to the White house of our
nation who has worked directly with this pope for world peace and aides and poverty couldn't do a better job than a women who took us to war over lies..her own lies ?? and this pope condemned that!!??

yes this pope condemned what * and condi did and their lies.but she is there ?? ohh please...you need a better excuse!!

fly

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:57 PM
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25. ohh and none of them ever critisized clinton??
what are you saying here..unless a former pres lies and says nice things about people who are destroying our nation he should be excluded..were you at the convention ? well clinton didnt say such nice things about * either!!

i know i was there as a delegate..that has no business deciding who represents our government..see condi lice lied and said there were going to be mushroom clouds and we know that was a lie and we know she lied us into war an unjust war this pope said was unjust ....so she should go ahead of carter who told the truth???

andy card lied so he should go ahead of a man who told the truth?? on my airplane to see my dead pope..nope you can not justify it no matter how you try!!

fly
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. "They"didn't go "over the top"...
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 07:06 PM by ImpeachTheChimp
In criticizing Clinton. Sure, some right-wing nutjobs called him all sorts of names, but "they" (the politicians) didn't so far as I know.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:51 PM
Response to Reply #63
70. You don't smell a DUer here?...
Because I'm not 100% in lockstep with you? I am aware that there were plenty of heated exchanges going both ways, but I am not aware of anytime when a Repug politician circulated that false so-called Clinton Death Count that the extreme right put out. If that makes me any less a progressive in your eyes, sorry.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. You just don't sound progressive
If excusing all of dubya's wrongdoings and this snubbing of one of the kindler gentler Presidents in the recent past is part of your progressive ideals, you need to catch up with the progressive movement.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #74
83. I did not excuse a single one...
I am merely playing devil's advocate. Would you wish to be around someone who insults (for lack of a better term) you?
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #83
86. What will you gain by playing Devils Advocate here?
Ah gee dev., someone will be proud of you. Who, I don't know?
You didn't even get your welcome here before you started in bashing Carter and defending shrub. Good job.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:21 PM
Response to Reply #86
88. Post where I've bashed Carter...
Or defended King Chimpy? Otherwise, we're both wasting our time and I'll just move to another thread.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #88
94. You keep saying that Carter has bashed Bush
So what, he deserved it and it was all the truth. You are defending Bush against Carter in nearly every one of your posts in this thread.
If you can't see it, I can't help.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:39 PM
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95. Uh-huh...
So stating the fact that Carter has said some unpleasant things about Shrub and that maybe Shrub just might have a couple of brain cells vibrating in that thick head of his that remember when someone has "done him wrong", is defending Chimpy and condemning Carter?
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #95
96. Done him wrong
There's your sign.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. If you'll notice, there are...
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 09:52 PM by ImpeachTheChimp
quotation marks around it. I'm beginning to think you're only here to provoke people.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. Well, I'm bringing you into the light the best I can
You claim to be progressive and can sit there and state that Bush is doing what anyone would do. I don't think so. I think shrub and condi and the roving band are clueless and Carter is milea ahead of all of them.
Have a good stay. You are provoking the demonfighter among others.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #98
99. Yep.
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 09:59 PM by ImpeachTheChimp
He is miles ahead of 'em. And I'm already in the light, just not the way you want me to be.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:06 PM
Response to Reply #70
82. And did Carter do that?
And if so... can you please provide a link to your information?
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #15
31. Excuse me, Since when is this a grudge match? Sounds like school
yard politics, these men could not put aside their hard feelings for 3-4 days to pay respects to the Pope, representing all of the United States?

B* made this a childish grudge.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:47 PM
Response to Reply #31
66. thnk you dear abby for some sense...i appreciate that!!
and you are 100% right...Carter is a gentleman ..in every sense of the word...and he is a real christian..unlike the phoney ass *

this just gags me..in every way..and it insults me that the most wonderful american in my lifetime other than mlk is not at my popes funeral..and i will not forget it..here we have a pedophile gh bush sitting at my popes funeral..and anyone who will justify that over Carter not being invited makes me sick!

fly
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #11
21. Bush should be able to take a little criticism and look at the
greater good.

Carter certainly didn't ever call Bush a fascist.

WELCOME TO DU, AND I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR STAY!
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Thank you...
And I hope I don't annoy you many times like I did just then. Of course Carter didn't call Shrub a fascist, but he did (* would say, go out of his way to) criticize him. Hopefully, in the future, we will see eye-to-eye.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:51 PM
Response to Reply #11
24. you are wrong!!
its our airplane ..we pay for it..Carter was the first president to ever have a pope come to the white house..Carter was president when pope john paul was made pope..its called diplomacy , its called whats right, its call ethics, its called proper manners and its the way its done...now we know what an idiot this pig in our white house is!!
its the filth of the * regime..

what the hell was condi started an illegal war doing there?? what was condi the liaying murderesss doing there?? what was andy card the lying murdering war monger doing there?? ohhh andy where are those wmd?? ahhh condi where is the mushroom cloud crap you scared the dumb with??

where is the only honest man in this country today..well he wasn't allowed on the airplane this catholic pays for...see its all of our airplane ..not *hy boys..its ours..

why is the guy * ...the pope called the anti christ ...allowed at my popes funeral??

and yet the most christian man in our former government not there?? why is the liar in thief there and not the nobel peace prize winner there..and peace being the prime word..

no siree you are wrong..all our former presidents should have been there..not the murderess condi rice and the murderer andy card..and the unknown 7th guy who was standing with our so called delegation we were lied to by * that was supposed to be 5 but was indeed 7!

i didnt pay to have andy card and condi and an unknown to be there ahead of Jimmy Carter!!

fly
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:07 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. My feelings exactly
At least Condi wasn't in her BDSM outfit she wore to Europe. The one her husb... the chimpmeister likes so much.


http://www.kliljedahl.net
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #11
32. Pettiness isnt a defense, especially for a President while doing his job
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 07:16 PM by K-W
who has an obligation to put his bitterness aside and act presidentially.

When Bush is a private citizen again, he doesnt have to have Carter over for tea, but to exclude Carter from this trip is simply unacceptable.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #32
36. And Carter's obligations are what, exactly?
You aren't seriously telling me that Shrub has to do anything for Carter just so Carter can bash him more, are you?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. excuse me but what did arnuld do at the rnc?? and guliani and
all the other rnc speakers..tell me what did they do..they did politics...so if chimpy cant handle the heat then get him the hell out of my kitchen!

stop making excuses they dont work here!!

there is no excuse..period the end!! period!!!!!

fly
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. Agreed. There is no excuse for it.
It's complete nonsense.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:49 PM
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42. Do you really think Carter would spend his time bashing Bush...
if he had been extended and invitation to go? I know we've been without a POTUS who had any real scruples for awhile, but, come on... Carter has much more class than that. Do you honestly think that Carter would spend his time criticizing Bush?? Please. Do you really think that would be his concern? The whole point of the trip is to mourn the passing of a Pope, and that's what Carter would do - mourn a man who over the years he has worked with on many causes (more so, than any other President in attendance).

It seems to me that you have very little understanding about the character of President Carter.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Before the pope died?
Years ago? What injustice did Shrub do against Carter that would have had him publicly skewer him back in 2001-03?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:05 PM
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50. Bush destroyed Carter's country. Or didnt you notice?
And since when is Carter obligated to support Bush? He is obligated to respect the office, which he has done, he is certainly not obligated to silence his dissent in appropriate forums, that is nationalistic hogwash.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. He is not obligated to support Shrub...
But, on the same token, if he wants special favors from the chimp, it is best not to go over the op in criticisms of him. My guess is that Dumbya felt slighted by some of his comments.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:28 PM
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52. hey ..it is not a special favor to go to the popes funeral../that is our
our plane not chimps..period the end...our plane the american peoples plane..not chimps..get that straight!!

* had an obligation to take all former presidents if they wanted to go!! period the end!!

our plane have you gotten that yet??

fly
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #52
57. Unfortunately, it's not our plane...
It's the president's plane so long as he's in office. He has the right to deny anyone access to it.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:42 PM
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62. Sorry, the president does not own the plane, you are simply wrong.
It is exeptionally clear in our laws what belongs to the people and what belongs to the president, its why all the gifts given to him in office go into the archive.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #62
85. Okay, we are splitting hairs...
That are frankly not even worth being split. I will cede that point and focus my energy on other topics in this debate.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:15 PM
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87. No, we actually arent. You made a false statement, I corrected you.
There were no hairs split. The plane belonging to the president and the plane belonging to the people are not hairs, they are massively different and it is of great importance that we own our government, not our rulers. There was something of a revolution fought over it.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:29 PM
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91. I was willing to cede, but here's my case...
Though, in theory, you are correct, in reality we have absolutely no control over the plane. We didn't during the Reagan, Bush 1, or Clinton years. I can't tell the president who should be let on the plane and neither can you. But, as I said, I view this as an insignificant issue.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:29 PM
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92. I was willing to cede, but here's my case...
Though, in theory, you are correct, in reality we have absolutely no control over the plane. We didn't during the Reagan, Bush 1, or Clinton years. I can't tell the president who should be let on the plane and neither can you. But, as I said, I view this as an insignificant issue.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:31 PM
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93. Just because I let someone use something of mine, doesnt mean it isnt mine
Why on earth are you arguing such a rediculous point?

It isnt his plane. Deal with it. He is the president, we are his employers. He is on the clock, flying the company jet.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:48 PM
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #46
65. How did Carter bash Bush again??
Can you give examples of said bashing "over-the-topness"? Seriously... what has Carter said in the past that wasn't ABSOLUTELY true? Can you name one instance that was out of line? And in the same respect, didn't Clinton do his fare share (if not more so) of Bush Bashing as well? How is it that it's his butt sitting in Rome and not Carter's if the judgment scale is based solely on criticism of Bush? Your argument isn't holding much water...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #65
69. don't count on this excuse person answering your legit question..
they never do!!

fly
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. Which question didn't I answer?
All you've done is insult me, and all I've done is answer just about every post on this.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #65
73. Did I ever say they were false?
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 08:57 PM by ImpeachTheChimp
I'm just saying, if I were Bush I wouldn't take him along either. Would you want to be on a long plane trip with someone who accused you of lying and misrepresenting? Even if it is true???
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:25 PM
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89. Did you think they were going to sit right next to one another
on the plane? Have you seen Airforce One?? There's an operating room and an apartment on board... I'm pretty sure they could avoid an "uncomfortable encounter" on the plane if need be.

If anything,including Carter in the delegation would have shown that Bush IS capable of extending a hand across the isle to someone with opposing views - but again, Bush failed miserably.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #73
90. This isnt Bush's plane trip.
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 09:27 PM by K-W
This is a state visit to the funeral of a world leader. Sometimes being president means sucking it up. Obviously you wouldnt make a good president either.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:54 PM
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44. Carter hasn't acted remotely improperly, you are just trying to twist this
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 07:54 PM by K-W
Carter has no obligation to support Bush.

Had Carter used a Bush invitation to an official event to burn him in the past you would have a point, but he didn't, so you don't.
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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:44 PM
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40. I do not want to be around Shrub
In fact, I am hoping that a nice Vatican or Italian official will decide to keep him. They can pay to feed and and house him. I am sure with a little work, they could even housebreak him.

As for President Carter, Bush would be wise to invite him. Carter as a solid reputation as humanitarian and is admired around the world. Indeed, by not inviting Carter, Bush looks like a spoiled sixteen-year-old who can't take criticism. This is not an image that I want a U.S. president to project to the rest of the world.
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ImpeachTheChimp Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:03 PM
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47. Which is why Shrub took Clinton, IMHO.
Clinton, in Shrubs mind, represented the lesser of two evils because of his work with 41 on tsunami relief.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:30 PM
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53. delete self deleted
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 08:31 PM by flyarm
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:40 PM
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60. Spoiled 16 year old?
You give him too much credit for maturity.


http://www.kliljedahl.net
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:54 PM
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71. Carter worked with the pope with many issues long after he was out of the
White House..this snub is not being ignored or missed by the world..it only shows even more what an ignoromous we have for a idiot in the white house today with no couth, or diplomacy or decorum!!

we have the worlds idiot and it is extremely obvious!
except to people who will make excuses for this idiot for any darn reason to cover their askets!

fly
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:38 PM
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18. Limpballs is such a fucker.
I think I loathe him more than I do anyone else, even Bush, because RL shows a glimmer of intelligence now and then but he uses it for EVIL.

The very EXISTENCE of Jimmy Carter shows these evil pieces of shit that being a kind, decent, humane Christian is possible. No wonder they hate him.

Eh. It would be the right thing to do to invite Carter to the funeral, especially in light of the fact that uber-prompter Andy Card will be there. Argh. But Carter doesn't need his picture taken with the corpse. He has an actual RECORD of decency and being a good Christian.


You know what? The only thing that keeps me going these days is the belief that Limpballs and his pals cannot, cannot, cannot possibly come to a good end. I don't usually believe in fate, but I do in this case. Like Gandhi says, They always fail.
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:51 PM
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23. Clinton took every former president with him
to some foreign funeral - every single one of them - just wish I could remember where - there are pictures out there somewhere.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:08 PM
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30. Disgraceful behaviour
How dare they diss Carter?
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:17 PM
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34. Because Bush has no reason to attend
Something he does not respect, agree with, or uphold. Carter on the other hand should have led the delegation. This is more than a snub, it is once again hypocrisy via our dollars. The Pope had little respect for Bush.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:21 PM
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37. the pope didnt have little respect for * ..he had none!! zero!!
he called him the anti -christ, and said if he was younger he would take him on , in fact he was sad he was not younger to do so!! this pope hated * is he was capable of hate in any6 way..or he came as close to it as he allowed himself!!

he loved carter!!
'there are no excuses so please do not any one attempt to excuse the filthy pig *

fly
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:45 PM
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41. Carter didn't sign NAFTA. Maybe that's why.
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 07:50 PM
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43. The sad thing is that Bush is making a mockery out this
I know Bush has to go, and I'm very surprised that he is going, because his "base" is full of lunatics who view the Pope as being EVIL, and have very little respect for Catholics in general, and plus him and the majority of his delegation are arrogant asses who are shunned by the whole world and probably had no respect for the Pope either. They get a chance to add someone who has lots of respect world wide, and had a way better friendship with the Pope than the majority of warcriminals in the delegation and they go a more or less give the finger politically, and instead they replace him with a another warcriminal...Andy Card or Condi Rice. Jimmy Carter derserves to go, He had a way better friendship with the Pope than most of the whole gang that is currently going. But No...we have to play favorites, because Jimmy made Bush mad, because he disagreed him...and you know you can't disagree with Bush, God forbid that happens... I want to add that I love Clinton, and the fact he's been hanging around with Bushes so much of late, it's really getting creepy.
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:03 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. I have that feeling too
Bubba is the best president ever, but his association with Poppy & * really freak me out. :wtf:


http://www.kliljedahl.net
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:34 PM
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54. Why should an intelligent person listen to Rush Windbag anytime?
I'd rather listen to Donovan McNabb call signals.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:43 PM
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64. Rush needs to get some help
Was he ever sentenced or treated for his myriad of disorders?

Dubby dissing Carter is just another of his foolish acts. He couldn't be a good pimple on Jimmy's a*s.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:56 PM
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72. send rush some oxycondi..they deserve each other!! n/t
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #72
77. I can't wait until they all retire to the pig farm
Or if we are lucky some will end up behind bars.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:03 PM
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79. i am voting for the bars!! lol n/t
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. Me too!
And don't forget the frog marches. :9
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CarefullyLiberal Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:04 PM
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81. Okay, I know nobody will read this....I'm at the bottom of the list.
Is there some reason why President Carter doesn't get on a plane and fly to Rome for the funeral?

How cool would that be!

I always liked Jimmy Carter but if he's such a pal of pontiff, why doesn't he just go to Rome and go to the funeral.

For crying out loud, he doesn't need to be invited by Bush to anything. He's above that.

There is something else to this, something that hasn't come out yet.

Peace,

Fergus
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:07 PM
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84. You're in luck
We're working the bottom of the list right now. Welcome to DU.
I don't have an answer, but maybe Jimmy will pull out some kind of book of tricks. If he wants to go, he can probably find a way. Just not part of W's big clown delegation.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:19 PM
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102. yes we are reading the bottom and here there is no bottom!!
welcome to du!!

i wish Carter would hop a ride with kofi and the u.n!!

i just wonder the repubs took a plane over with frist..i just wonder if any dems were included like the very Catholic Kerry and Kennedy>?? i just wonder..does anyone know??
Or are we only paying for repubs to go??

I would love to see Carter standing next to the head of the U.N....but Carter is too much a gentleman..he would never show up * like that..he just wouldnt do that..because he knows protocol..he understands protocol..he knows and understand decorum!! unlike the snubby little nasty chimp!


fly
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Melynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:08 PM
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101. Disgusting. These people have no shame
Jimmy Carter is a good man. To BushCo that means that Carter is weak and can be jerked around without repercussions. That just makes me want to :puke:
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:20 PM
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103. Carter wanted to go out of respect for the pope
I'm sure in his heart, Carter doesn't really want to EVER be seen near Bushie.
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kamqute Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 01:21 AM
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104. I have the answer--the Carter Doctrine
Ol' Jim's cleaned up his act since then though. :)
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 06:09 AM
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105. Rush, there's no Nobel Bad Example Prize
Just imagine: the Nobel Bad Example Prize. Given by the Swedish Academy every year to the guy you should work hardest to not be like.

They'd have to implement a rule stating that a Bush could only win it once in his or her life, and Bushes couldn't win it in two consecutive years (without that codicil the list of laureates would look like the Bush family tree) but it might be a fun award. Comes with a swift kick in the pants, a bucket of shit poured on your head, a bill for $50,000 and a life sentence in a Turkish prison, where your family has to bring you food.
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