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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:06 PM
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Minuteman Leader Gilchrist: "Why Are You Picking On White Supremacists?"
Media Matters For America
April 6, 2005

Minuteman organizer James Gilchrist to Alan Colmes: "Why are you picking on ?"

Reacting to Fox News host Alan Colmes's reference to news reports that white supremacists may have joined the Minuteman Project's efforts to prevent illegal immigrants from entering the United States via the Mexican border, Minuteman organizer James Gilchrist condemned supremacists but contended that "there are supremacist groups out there of all races, colors and creeds" and accused Colmes of "picking on" the white supremacists. Gilchrist has acknowledged that "white supremacists want us to wage a full battle at the border," but has denied that he is a racist: "Some people have said I'm racist, and that's just not true. ... My son-in-law is a full-on Mexican, and my grandson is half-Mexican."

From the April 5 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

COLMES: Recently, the white supremacy group Aryan Nation has recruited for the Minuteman Project, promoting the protest as a white pride event. This is who you're participating with here.

GILCHRIST: I have -- Alan, I have no control over someone posting an e-mail. I know what you're talking about. I've been to that Stormfront website. I have put a warning on our website -- you are not welcome here if you're a member of any supremacist group, whether it be of any color, race or creed.

Alan, there are supremacist groups out there of all races, colors and creeds. It's not just white supremacists. Why are you picking on them? There are brown. There are purple. There are red.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200504060003



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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:12 PM
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1. Mini-hitmen weenie.
"Some people have said I'm racist, and that's just not true. ... My son-in-law is a full-on Mexican, and my grandson is half-Mexican."







Lovely bit of moron logic, there.

Racism has zero to do with who you know.
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:19 PM
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5. Mr. Gilchrist Has Seen Purple People?
Gilchrist: "Alan, there are supremacist groups out there of all races, colors and creeds. It's not just white supremacists. Why are you picking on them? There are brown. There are purple."

Purple supremacists??!!!!

I haven't seen any purple people marching with "Purple Power" signs.

I wonder what nation, or planet, Mr. Gilchrist's purple people are from. Has Mr. Gilchrist been subjected to a flying saucer "illegal alien" abduction by the purple people? Perhaps that's the aliens he should direct his fire at!
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:36 PM
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17. Grimace is on the rampage. He's back, and he's pissed.
And he won't be drinking soybean-n-corn-syrup shakes for The Man anymore.

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 08:58 PM
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34. The purple people eater reigns supreme...so yeah! n/t
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 04:48 AM
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49. no the purple people eaters got them
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:23 AM
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60. other than the Minnesota Vikings, probably not
Actually our defensive front four were affectionately known as The Purple People Eaters back in the 70's.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 08:06 AM
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51. oh yeah and I bet your Mexican and Half-Mexican children
are SOOOOOO proud of you right now.
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #51
68. Not just Mexican...full on Mexican.
Is this some sort of sub-group? The full-on Mexicans? Maybe that is the source of the "purplr supremists." Hum.....

Well, I"m taking my full-on Irish self back to work.
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tubbacheez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:57 PM
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71. Yeah, I was ROTFL on that one. What a "full on" idiot. n/t
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 03:33 PM
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74. "full on idiot"
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:15 PM
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2. I'd love to hear his son-in-law's reaction to that
what does purple have to do with anything? Does he think there are purple supremacist groups?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #2
24. NAZI BARNEY! (nt)
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 04:42 AM
Response to Reply #24
48. LOL!
Thanks for the laugh.
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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:18 PM
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3. That's right! Stop picking on those sweet little supremacists. They're
just trying to share the love! :grouphug:
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:18 PM
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4. I was watching a repeat of this show in the wee hours this am
and saw this interview. fucking dumbass. the leader of the purple supremacists must be Barney the dinosaur. :crazy:
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. No no! It's Grimace, dammit!!!
:D
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #6
8. eh, you beat me to it!
barely though :D
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. Mr. Gilchrist: I Have Spotted The Purple Alien Invaders!
Go get em!

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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. Maybe Grimace?
I was trying to think of purple beings to be in that group.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. Can't forget Tinky-Winky!
;-)
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. LOL he'd be the leader of the group for sure!
so much controversy surrounds him already :D
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #11
69. Tinky-Winky's a gay purple supremist? Wow. He's a busy boy!
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. Isn't there a purple teletubby too?
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 05:25 PM by ET Awful
I can't remember, was Tinky Winky purple?

edit: Coventina beat me to it :)
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:21 PM
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9. LOL, Yeah, I'm really tired of those goddamned purple supremacists
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 05:24 PM by ET Awful
I wish they'd leave people the hell alone.
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #9
25. Purple Power! All power to the Purple!
:rofl:
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camitche Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:26 PM
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14. I think I have to side with Gilchrest on this.
He might be a racist and he's very likely a dumbass, but we don't know either of those things. The website does explicitly say that no supremacists of any kind are wanted. He's said that publicly many times.
He can't help that white supremacists see what he's doing as an opportunity to further their agendas.

Note: I'm not saying I agree with what he's doing so please don't lambast me for that.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Okay, so can you tell us why Purple Supremacists would want to be
vigilantes and guard the border?
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camitche Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. No. I can't think of any good reason why anyone
would want to be vigilantes and guard the border.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:41 PM
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20. He only wants to guard one border. He doens't give a shit about Canada.
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camitche Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:54 PM
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27. That's true. but there's a reason for that.
Again, I'm not saying I think what he's doing is a great idea. I agree that it sets a dangerous precedent.

However, if you look at the amount of illegal immigrants that emigrate from Canada versus the amount that emigrate from Mexico it makes perfect sense to take a stand in the South.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:14 PM
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28. This isn't about illegal immigration
They can grandstand all they want, but these pigs are racists. Illegal immigration is nothing more than a scapegoat. They want to fix illegal immigration, tell the cheap labor lovin' conservatives to stop hiring them for dirt wages with contract only labor!
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progressiveBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:20 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Yep
No one should be surprised this group is attracting white supremacists. That's like wondering why only white people want to join the KKK.
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EtJ Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:27 PM
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33.  Minuteman Leader Gilchrist Tries to help America
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 06:27 PM by EtJ
America can not see what the minutemen are trying to accomplish. They are making people more aware of the problem at the borders, they are men and women of action, showing the incompetency of our government. They are underlining the power of the media, and the stupidity of the American public. Bbbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa is what will be many's response.
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camitche Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #28
36. You're right.
That's a much better solution: pass laws that harshly punish hiring illegal immigrants. I never said it wasn't a better idea. I never said I thought what they were doing was OK. I only said that as far as we know Gilchrest's comments are accurate. Except for the purple thing.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:23 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. Why don't you provide some numbers on the massive amounts of Mexican
Immigration (illegal) ? It's blown out of proportion. And most illegals that are here come here by overstaying their visas.

The reason he isn't checking Canada, is because nobody, NOBODY would stand for white people being treated like dogs.
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camitche Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:56 PM
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37. You tell me to give you numbers, but
then you attack the numbers before they're given by saying they're inflated, which is why I didn't bother in the first place.

This always happens on DU whenever anybody on DU dares to not toe the liberal line. People get all pissed off.

As I've said like 5 times in this thread already, I'm not saying I agree with what they're doing. I realize that one reason nobody is doing this with Canada is because there would be a larger uproar.

However, if you really think that of our two neighbors Canada and Mexico contribute equal numbers of illegal immigrants then there's no way to continue this, because one of us is delusional.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:26 AM
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44. I haven't heard about them mistreating anyone
The FBI, the ACLU and many, many other groups, laywers, government agencies are watching the minutemen 24/7. I have heard no suggestion that they have hurt anyone.

No doubt these guys are crazy, but no one can stop them because they aren't breaking laws.
I think if they stopped white people there would be less of an uproar actually. No one would care if they stopped Canadians sneaking into the US, but then again very few Canadians are sneaking in.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:14 PM
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29. Good point. -eom
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 09:39 AM
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77. Well, to be fair...
His org is based in socal and the south. Canada is a bit of a hike for them.

Not that I particularly like these people, but there are some good aspects to this. One is that they are forcing the government into motion on the issue (if only the government were one less likely to find some way to screw with this for the benefit of corporations :-(). Another is that the activism of these conservatives is spent and thus not being tapped for some of the more horrible parts of the con agenda. Thirdly, it is a serious wedge issue within the right, dividing the business owners who want cheap labor and a worker class with sub-citizen rights against the more populist elements. That's a pretty severe split, which there are in fact plenty of, but the neocons have done such a good job of whitewashing -- this they can't anymore.

Unfortunately it is also a wedge issue on the left as well. Anti-illegal-immigration/anti-amnesty progressives may be in the minority, but they are a substantial chunk. Take two progressives from both sides of the issue, put them in a room, and force them to talk about it seriously, and it will be hours before they can even so much as agree that they both have certain points of unity -- like not allowing businesses to engage in 3rd-world labor practices here in the U.S. and like the utter unfairness that the mishandling of this situation has presented to those attempting to immigrate *legally*.

I don't know how to build off those points to a more detailed general consensus, because I've never seen the discussion evolve past that point. It takes all of the time people are willing to talk about it just to get them to see that there is some level of agreement possible, then they slowly forget that by the time they bother to talk about it again. Both perspectives have trouble avoiding the hot-buttons of the other side.

This whole issue is sad for everyone involved (except for the exploiters, who are still for the most part getting away with it.)

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progressiveBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #18
30. I'll tell you why then
Because they want an excuse and a "reason" to shoot, in their own words, a "mongrel". The minuteman project is a racist vigilante group in disguise as a "national security" aid. It stands to reason that they would attract white, and purple, supremacists.
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camitche Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #30
38. Where do these quotes come from?
You use quotes saying they want a reason to shoot. Whom are you quoting?
You use quotes saying they called, I can only assume you're talking about Mexicans, mongrels. Again, who said that?

I know it "stands to reason that they would attract white...supremacists." I've never said otherwise. Please read my previous comments. All I've said is that according to the facts we currently have, they've done nothing illegal and have made a public attempt to discourage white supremacists from joining. That's all I've said.
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progressiveBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #38
62. I am referring to white supremacist groups not the minutemen
Just take a browse through www.stormfront.org. I don't think there is any question about, given free reign, what these groups would do to bring on their world order.
As for the minutemen, they seem like a vigilante group to me. I know some are racist, as our LTTE section in the AZ Republic proves to me almost daily. But I'm not saying they all are.
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camitche Donating Member (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 02:50 PM
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72. Fair enough. I wouldn't dispute any of that.
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:43 PM
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23. Minuteman Spots Purple Alien Invader!
One of our Minuteman heros drew this sketch of a Flying Purple People Eater he spotted.

Please be on the lookout for him .... her .... it. If you see it .... her .... him please contact the Border Patrol!

We must stop the Purple Supremacists before they take over this nation and make us all eat a steady diet of purple food.


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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:28 PM
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15. "I've been to that Stormfront website"
for research?
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:40 PM
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19. Poor whittle white supwemisists....sooooo misunderstood
:eyes:

life is getting so freakin' ridiculous.

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liberal_patriot_md Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #19
39. right on
If we can't pick on white supremacists, who can we pick on?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:42 PM
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21. this guy is sooo weak.
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TheModernTerrorist Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:42 PM
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22. this is what I heard........
"Waaaaaaaaaaah. Waaaah waaaah waaaaaaah!" :cry::cry::cry:
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CitySky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 05:48 PM
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26. if they're so misunderstood,
it's prob'ly 'cause the "librul media" hasn't adequately explained their intentions to us.

:eyes:
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 09:16 PM
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35. Has any one else noticed that Alan is getting braver lately?
A year ago he'd have been too timid to even pose that question.
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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:14 PM
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40. I Totally Disagree With Just About Everyone on this Board.
_
As I posted on Media Matters Blog....

I must be missing something here, or there is information that hasn't been made public.

The 'MinuteMan' project was created to stop illegal aliens from flooding this country, I am all for it.

Then some 'White Supremacists' get involved, the MinuteMan project puts up a disclaimer, and has to deal with these Yo-Yo's out in the 'Open Country Territory' where there is apparently no Law and Order to begin with.

This MinuteMan spokesmen is in a sticky situation right now, and he is protecting his *ss if you ask me. Did Alan Colmes expect to hear this guy say bad things about these nuts on national TV? - That would be like declaring 'Please Kill Me' on national TV.

If Alan Colmes was around in the 1920's, would he be asking store keepers 'Why did you Engage in Communication with Al Capone's Gang?' as they came in every week for their pay offs for 'Protection'.

This is a vice issue that could backfire on anyone who attempts to discredit this MinuteMan Project if you ask me.

******
Now, according to a report that Media Matters Itself Links to as a reference to this story...
http://www.dailybulletin.com/Stories/0,1413,203~21481~2794506,00.html

If you scroll down to the 12th Paragraph, he states...
_____
"We're receiving (flak) from the government, the police -- even white supremacists want us to wage a full battle at the border," Gilchrist said.

"The only group who hasn't attacked us is a Muslim extremist group."

_____
--- so, if you read this carefully, he is pretty much stating that he has been threatened by these 'White Supremacists' .

Think about it people. This guy is doing the right thing, and has to deal with this group who have 'offered their services', and deal with them in a territory that pretty much is lawless. Does anyone expect him to denounce this group?

I am all for this MinuteMan Project. The United States has been overrun by millions of Illegal Aliens who wind up helping greedy contractors low ball pricing from Painting to Landscaping. They are available for daily hire, for low wages, $40 - $60 a day, pay no income tax, and suck off the local governments without contributing a dime to keep the infrastructure going.

This is NOT a Racist Agenda.

And to the Critics who say he doesn't want to do this to the Canadian border, well guess what, there isn't nearly the same problem with the Canadian Border as their is with the Mexican Border.

That is My opinion on this issue, and I am baffled that this is even something Media Matters would touch. Unless Media Matters Staff has other information on this individual and are holding back on any details or facts they may be aware of.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 03:00 AM
Response to Reply #40
46. Read it again:
"My son-in-law is a full-on Mexican, and my grandson is half-Mexican."


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Hard Attack Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 02:57 PM
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73. And your point?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. You know, I probably shouldn't be posting to this thread.
As a Latina, it's just too close to home.

peace,
Beth
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:18 AM
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59. self-delete
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 10:27 AM by Kerrytravelers
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:18 AM
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42. I watched this last night and immediately posted about it
I could not believe I heard what i heard. It was utterly bizarre. It came out of nowhere. Alan askedc a question like "Are you aware Stormfront, a hate group, was recruiting for your patrol." And then Gilchrist said he wrote them and asked them not to participate and it was not a 'racial' mission. Then he just started ranting about why White Supremacists take all the blame and went off. It was surreal.
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MikeNY Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 04:24 AM
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47. How you know its a real problem: Both parties deny its an issue
For some reason, I do not believe that the group who initiated this thing is openly racist. The leader of the organization has already said that he has relatives who are Mexican. Maybe at that point in time, he had been so bombarded by the media, by the federal government, and by the Mexican government’s response that he felt that “racism” of the issue is being exaggerated. Maybe those statements just came out as a racist remark, and of course, the journalists ran to the printing presses with it.

I understand the human side to the illegal immigration problem, but I also find it outlandish when people say that the problem is fictional. I am all for people coming here legally regardless of their race, color, or creed, but I think that its absolutely wrong to come here against the law, without any regard for our laws.

Of course you will have radicals and people with the wrong frame of mind who will take this desire of concerned people to secure our country’s borders and use it for racist propaganda, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem with our immigration system, our border security, and an influx of illegal immigrants.

But do you want to know the real reason why the government doesn’t provide adequate border security? It’s the same reason why the slave trade existed in America for hundreds of years without government intervention:

This type of cheap and low cost labor gives a backbone to an economy that is built on competing with nations who do not share the same labor standards as us. And because our politicians are directly indentured to business and support unrestricted trade “no matter what the cost”, there is no reason for them to demand labor provisions in international treaties. Illegal immigration has become a big underground industry with power brokers, moneyed interests in Texas, and the American southwest. You have to realize that these moneyed interests probably do have informal ties with our elected officials, just like the plantation owners in the south created a revenue stream and had ties all across the Caribbean, Central, and South America with the slave trade industry.

Also, while the slave trade was a formal and legal practice, it continued to be an informal practice in the South even after the war. The different here was that somebody actually wanted to put a stop to it. The US doesn’t want to enforce the borders. We have our military spread around the globe. Our President calls these people “vigilantes” for wanting to provide basic border security, meanwhile, he has taken measures that following 9/11 endanger all of our civil rights.

Our government is owned by people who are accountable to international businesses, banks, power brokers, etc. If this was not the case, you would not see former Presidents from different sides of the fence having chats on Larry King as good old friends. These guys have the same ideology, the same thoughts on everything.
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Itsthetruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 09:32 AM
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53. They Are RightWing And Dangerous Bigots
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 09:35 AM by Itsthetruth
"For some reason, I do not believe that the group who initiated this thing is openly racist."

The key word here is "openly". But, scratch below their p.r. front just a little bit and you will discover they are in fact bigots of the worst kind. The "border patrol" leaders and key activists are clearly right-wing racists. The leaders of the border patrol including Gilchrist have no objections to people waving the confederate flag at their events. And they post on their websites the most vile racist propaganda from their supporters.

By no measure are these characters progessives who just want to "protect" the jobs of "Americans". They have not said nor done anything to protest the "export" of jobs to cheap labor nations by big corporations.

These great "defenders" of our jobs and living standards just can't seem to find the words to protest corporate outsourcing, NAFTA, downsizing and wage cutting. They are dead silent on these very real attacks on the living standards of the American people.

And that's not just an accident or mere oversight on their part.

Rather than take on big business, the border patrol outfits prefer to scapegoat and blame undocumented workers for the growing economic crisis in this nation. They of course shed tears over the exploitation of poor undocumented workers by greedy corporations. However, they oppose efforts by labor unions to organize these workers to put an end that exploitation!

I don't think these border viglantes give a damn about the exploitation of undocumented workers or any workers, including citizens! Read what they have to say in their own words!


FROM THE MINUTEMAN WEBSITE:

WELCOME

The Minuteman Project is a grassroots effort to bring Americans to the defense of their homeland, similar to the way the original Minutemen from Massachusetts (and other U. S. colonies) did in the late 1700s. Like them, we want to bring to this effort only what few personal possessions we can carry...plus our heart, mind and spirit.

It is a call to peacefully assemble at the Arizona-Mexico border to bring national awareness to the decades-long careless disregard of effective U.S. immigration law enforcement. It is a reminder to Americans that our nation was founded as a nation governed by the "rule of law", not by the whims of mobs of ILLEGAL aliens who endlessly stream across U.S. borders.

Accordingly, the men and women volunteering for this mission are those who are willing to sacrifice their time, and the comforts of a cozy home, to muster for something much more important than acquiring more "toys" to play with while their nation is devoured and plundered by the menace of tens of millions of invading illegal aliens.

Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."

"At the current rate of invasion the United States will be completely over run with ILLEGAL aliens by the year 2025...only 21 years away. ILLEGAL aliens and their offspring will be the dominant population in the U.S. and will have made such inroads into the political and social systems that they will have more influence than the U.S. Constitution over how the U.S. is governed. That ugly consequence is already taking place. The United States of America is under invasion." --- James Gilchrist - Founder Of The MinuteMan Project

How sweet!

AND HERE ARE SOME OF THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT POSTED ON THE MINUTEMAN WEBSITE:

The MinuteMan Project - Positive feedback - letters from supporters

I am a Captian with the U.S. Army where I am currently serving in Afghanistan for the second time. Most of my co-workers agree that there is nothing to gain from more immigrants entering the US from Mexico. We strongly believe in taking any means necessary to stop the flow of illegal immigration. Whatever it takes.

.... European countries have such a better fix on illegal immigration. A country there requires everyone to have a national ID, that is very hard to fake. Much like a passport. Why doesn't the US have a national ID. This would allow police to deport anyone that is not in compliance.

Second, I hate to think that our forefathers secured the country through many wars, only for us to loose it because the mexicans breed at such a higher rate, and cross into the US so fast. In my hometown of Oklahoma you can't go to a flee market without seeing an illegal mexican woman with her 7 kids. We are loosing the country simply through numbers, and must close the border to these people. They are uneducated, and have nothing to offer the US except some cheap manual labor.

.... our country fills up with mexicans, cubans, and haitians. What the hell is going on. I would rather have people that are like us and can contribute to the US in my country instead of someone that will simply drain our social welfare system, crowd our schools with their seven kids, raise crime, and simply never blend into our society.
R.

I have been interested in your organization since I heard about in the Rush Limbaugh show when you first started out.
G.J.

I am from ... Ca and I am tired of hearing about how racist the minuteman project is. Even though my name is ...I am Hispanic. if you could use a brown face for a couple of days I would be more than happy to sacrifice sometime from my vacation.
M.H.

the great state of south carolina is being over-run by illegals. my hat is off to you guys. these people must be stopped.
I'm a citizen that sees on a dailey basis how the open borders are destroying America and how the security of this nation is gravely threatened but politicians pandering to the Latino population in the U.S.
M.L.

We have heard about your organization through Bill O'Reilly on FOX News, and CNN News ....
E.H.

I can help. I have experience. Navy, ... Firearms Academy, ....
I can spot movement for miles.
S.W.

believe no one could more eloquently state the concern we have of ignoring our southern border and the total disregard for American law by our southern neighbor, Mexico, and its supportive groups within the legal borders of the United States, aka; MALDEF, La Raza, Lulac and other racist organizations.

HisFox] countrys' coordination with the afforementioned Mexican groups to influence politics within our own borders is nothing less than what Nikita Khruschev did with Russian spies years ago and is tantamount to a declaration of war against anyone living in the United States....
R.T.

I at least want to encourage you to keep up the good work no matter how much the liberal media distorts your efforts or attacks you.
G.M.

My congrats. to you in this endeavour. We here in S.C. are under an 'invasion' of sorts by illegals that drive w/o lisences and/or insurance---reproduce at alarming rates and fund their newly born children with our tax dollars.
J.B.

As a Border Patrol Agent, I'm in the "trenches" and see daily the complete disregard for our country (represented by all of the trash and water bottles) that these invaders leave in their wake. More importantly, I realize what is in store for our country as people whose only loyalty is to Mexico gain even more of a political foothold.

Liberal-minded people say that illegal aliens are just flocking here to work the jobs we won't work and make a better life for their poor children, etc. etc. What they fail to mention is the benefits the illegals are really seeking:

No taxes! Free medical! Free American education! Free public assistance! & all the money they make goes right back into their
foreign homeland's economy, as they carry it south to their families still living in countries below our border.
Anonymous, please.

I was the 2004 Constitution Party candidate for the U.S. Senate here in South Carolina, and I visited Simcox and went out on patrol with him and some other volunteers in July. I wish you all success and Godspeed.
Patrick
Simpsonville, South Carolina

We face the conquest of the United States of America -- without a shot being fired .... smuggling organizations ferry countless numbers of Chinese illegal aliens to Washington, Oregon and California. Vancouver, Canada sports a large community of ethnic illegal alien Chinese "fresh off the boat".
GOD help us.
C.
Tucson, Arizona

I spent 15 yrs. living in Mesa, AZ so the invasion of our culture and language enrages me.

Here in California, my wife and I refuse to speak Spanish, and are not ashamed of our own Heritage and language (German/Italian, but we speak English).
Sincerely,
James D. P.

California is bankrupt because it has become the welfare
state for mostly Mexican citizens illegally in our country.
American citizens by the Arizona border suffer losses of property and are in danger of physical harm from the invaders. Our national parks are being destroyed by the hordes that camp there waiting for their smugglers.
Haydee P - Ca.

am fed up and would like to know about defending my turf with a weapon. The illegals up in this area do not ask for food or water, they just inquire about cash and weapons. And they certainly do NOT want to work. We had several citizens killed last year by the illegals ....
Dick

Mr. Gilchrist,

I'm a DHS officer. I heard you on the Sean Hannity show today.
My hat's off to you for what you are trying to accomplish.

Then you also have to contend with the liberal do-gooders of the world who have the mainstream media as a mouth piece.
DHS Officer
Annonymous (for fear of being fired)

It is hard to believe that politicians responsible for protecting the sovereignty of the US have done nothing to stem the flow of illegal immigrants that have cost this country so much in social services, lost jobs and lowered wages, increased crime, education and health costs, sapping Social Security, etc..

The fact is that they've stolen jobs from Americans.
Thomas V.
Pennsylvania

America is overrun with illegal aliens, and we have already lost much of life as we knew it. Hospitals are closing, the educational system is in the toilet, the welfare system no longer exists for Americans who need assistance, Social Security has been depleted to the point of "pay as you go," and population growth has encroached on our wildlands. Food, water, gas, and electric energy is at an all time low, and we have far exceeded the "carrying capacity" of the United States. We have depleted the fossil fuels that power our automobiles, and provide us with heat in the winter. My grandchildren may be facing life on a barren earth, and this thought chills my bones; yet population keeps on breeding!

This is not about race or ethnic group.
Sincerely,
Liz D.
Hayward, California




Are these border patrol vigalantes violent? Listen to what
Jennifer Allen, executive director of the Border Action Network said on Democracy Now this past Tuesday:

"The only folks that we're seeing committing criminal acts are the vigilantes that are out patrolling the border. We have four civil lawsuits right now that are pending other vigilante activities. The Minuteman Project is not the first time that we've had people out patrolling, looking for immigrants, detaining them at gunpoint. And what we have seen, too, is that what happens is the folks pull out their gun. Folks are getting shot at. Folks have been kicked. Folks have been dragged around. Folks have been yelled at. Folks have been bitten by dogs, thrown on the front of ATVs and dragged through the desert scrub. You want to talk about criminal activities, that's first and foremost."

Jennifer Allen continued .....

"We also need to see on a more smaller and intermediate sense is that the local officials from the Cochise County Attorney, the county in southern Arizona where most of these vigilante activities are happening, to the Arizona Attorney General and the Arizona U.S. Attorney need to step up, do their job and prosecute these vigilante groups for their criminal activities, which is the everyday activities of rounding people up, detaining them illegally, impersonating law enforcement, organizing militias. These are all crimes at both the state and federal level. The fact that these officials have done nothing in spite of massive community mobilizations over the last two years has created this climate of impunity, where Mr. Gilchrist and other people from around the country think that they can just come into southern Arizona and do what they want."

And she explained ....

"I can tell you what we have seen. You know, the organization is a community organization based out of Douglas and Nogales, communities on the ground. So what we have seen for years. You know, what you all are doing is absolutely nothing new."

------------------------------------------------------------------


Border Vigilantes Armed With Assault Weapons Terrorize Local Douglas Families And Children

Victims file civil lawsuit against Barnett family & call for state prosecution

On October 30th, 2004, border vigilante Roger Barnett detained members of the Morales and English families in Douglas, Arizona, threatening them with a loaded AR-15 assault rifle and attack dogs, and barraging them with verbal abuse and racist insults. The children, ages 9-11, and their parents, who believed Barnett intended to murder them, suffered severe emotional trauma.

The Morales and English families, with the support of Border Action Network held a press conference on Monday, November 29th, 2004 announcing the civil lawsuit both families are bringing against Roger, Donald and Barbara Barnett.

“I didn’t serve six years in the United State Navy so that my family’s civil rights could be violated in our town of Douglas,” said Ron Morales, a United States Navy veteran, U.S. citizen, and long-time resident of Douglas. Mr. Morales was outraged that the armed vigilante attacked his family and that Barnett has been doing the same to immigrants crossing the Arizona desert for nearly ten years.

The families announced the lawsuit in order to bring attention to the community-wide effects of vigilante activities in southern Arizona and to demand an end to the tolerance offered to such dangerous groups by state and federal law enforcement agencies that have declined to investigate or prosecute Barnett and other vigilantes for previous incidents.

http://www.borderaction.org/news2.php?articleID=13

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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:26 AM
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61. The supportive letters on the site grabbed my attention.
Second, I hate to think that our forefathers secured the country through many wars, only for us to loose it because the mexicans breed at such a higher rate, and cross into the US so fast. In my hometown of Oklahoma you can't go to a flee market without seeing an illegal mexican woman with her 7 kids. We are loosing the country simply through numbers, and must close the border to these people. They are uneducated, and have nothing to offer the US except some cheap manual labor.

.... our country fills up with mexicans, cubans, and haitians. What the hell is going on. I would rather have people that are like us and can contribute to the US in my country instead of someone that will simply drain our social welfare system, crowd our schools with their seven kids, raise crime, and simply never blend into our society.
R.



I'm a DHS officer. I heard you on the Sean Hannity show today.
My hat's off to you for what you are trying to accomplish.

Then you also have to contend with the liberal do-gooders of the world who have the mainstream media as a mouth piece.
DHS Officer
Annonymous (for fear of being fired)



(Please read the whole thing before reacting.)

Wow. These two posts in particular stuck out at me. Mexican's breed at a higher rate? Are you kidding me? Let's look at reality. There are many groups; ethnic, religious, culturally, who often have large families. To say that Mexicans breed more than others is to show a complete lack of knowledge of other people. And the word breed has an animal connentation, as if Mexicans are a pack of wild dogs or muddy pigs that roll in the dirt while mating.


Have to contend with liberal do-gooders? So, then the natural conclusion is that if the liberlas are the do-gooders, then the conservatives are the bad-doers. Ok, I guess I could go with that. I ean, it is a terrible thing to want to do good, isn't it? It's not surprising that a DHS officer would listen to Sean Hannity. As we have learned from other posts here, the military are only offered reich-wing radio and internet sites. Why should we expect the rest of the government to be any different. This is more and more like Berlin of the 1930s every single day.

Do I think all the Minuetmen are racist? No, probably not. However, they need a new PR guy if they are going to convince us otherwise. Did they invite the ACLU to go with them, or did the ACLU just say, we're watching you. It makes a difference because if they were smart, or perhaps just more savy, the Minuetmen would have invited groups like the ACLU, the Red Cross and Amnesty International down there with them to help make the case that * has failed us on issues of border patrol. It's all in the perception.

Right now, my perception is of a bunch of nutcases who want target practice. That is the image they have given us, wearing the fatiges (I can never spell that correctly) and carring rifles. Incidently, my father was career military and it burns him up when people wear camouflage around- it's not a fashion statement, it's going along with this pseudo-military mind set and it only encourages this aggressive, pretent-servicemen mentality of shoot at all coasts. Shoot at all costs is not the military my father believed in. It also plays into the military/video game that is sweeping the country. Have you seen the ads on tv lately? There is a terrifying fusion between the miltary and video games that lead the ignorant among us that life in the military is nothing but an action-packed video game. What a surprise they get when in battle they get shot with a real butllet and bleed real blood.


As I've stated in other threads on this subject, I'm willing to re-examine my perception. However, they better find a better spokesperson because if this guy thinks he can convince us that the white supremists are getting a bad rap and the purple racists are just as bad, it's simply not going to wash. Again, it's all about perception.

Ok, so I've just gone on and on.

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MikeNY Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. Still think its a problem
Edited on Thu Apr-07-05 12:06 PM by MikeNY
Did they invite the ACLU to go with them, or did the ACLU just say, we're watching you. It makes a difference because if they were smart, or perhaps just more savy, the Minuetmen would have invited groups like the ACLU, the Red Cross and Amnesty International down there with them"


This is true. I also am not trying to stick up for this organization in particular, but the illegal immigration situation is a _real problem_ no matter how much someone on these forums wants to be politically correct and deny its even an issue.

That being said, it is an issue that should be held with care. The illegals that are arrested by border security go into prisons that are a massive strain on local economy and they wait for months and in many cases years in these prisons to be deported by the INS.

There are many flaws within our system, but our government does not want to recognize that there is even a problem on both sides of the fence (for the exact reasons I have stated above no doubt)

I do not condone any racist behavior against anyone. When you have a case where justice is not being done, whether the remedies are debated or not, you will have groups like this looking to "right a wrong" in their eyes, taking the law into their own hands. I am not saying this is a justified response either, but it is a direct consequence to government not dealing with the problem
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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:13 PM
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67. "taking the law into their own hands"
This is what I fear. Right now, with people watching them, events have gone rather smoothly. However, as soon as our attention-deficit disorder media is focused elsewhere, the hidden loonies who just want to have target practice will come out of the woodwork. The racists will be out there, ready to expend a little supremists justice.

This is not the first time a group has gone down there to "watch" the border. It seems that problems always arise with violence. These guys are, indeed, carrying guns. Whether legal or not, alone in the desert, carrying guns, without proper training to guard a border. It just is a recipe for disaster. With no tighter connection with the Border Patrol, such as a training period and the law enforcement knowing exactly who all is where and how they are armed, etc, it just has too many open ends. While the Minutemen are accountable under the laws of our land in general, I'd like them to be a bit more accountable to the law enforcement officials at the border, too.

And what if they run into criminals crossing the border. What is to say the Minutemen won't be killed?
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TwoHandedLayup Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:25 AM
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43. I am a separtist
I like to separate my laundry into whites, grey & tan, light colors and dark colors. I have a hard time getting my wife to follow sometimes and we have dingy dish towels....
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 01:55 AM
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45. Ewww, Stormfront.
One of those little brownshirts on their forums linked to some Dance Dance Revolution videos I had on my old school webspace, so now my name is a permanent part of their boards (ick!)

Oh, the sad things you see when googling for yourself.
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Stockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 05:16 AM
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50. I can´t believe reading some of comments above here?
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Emma Lazarus 1883

unless they are wetbacks?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 09:46 AM
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54. Hear, hear!
There are so many wrong things going on here. You want to put an end to illegal immigration? Make it safe and easy for people to come here as foreign workers.

Most illegals go back to their home countries after a few years, when they've put back or sent back enough money to get a good start back home. Why? Because American culture is strange, bizarre, baffling and more than a little scary.

We are a car culture. How many here have tried to find a job without being able to drive? Illegals also must drive to have a job. But being illegals they can't get licensed, meaning they can't take classes to learn the rules of the road, the meanings of our highway signs, etc. It baffles me, sometimes, as someone who has moved a lot -- Left turn on red? What state am I in? Right turn on red? Only onto one way streets, if you're in a state that allows it. Insurance? Licensed drivers only.

A proper guest worker program would allow foreign workers to get these same jobs they now have, the ones that most Americans don't want, and keep them from being exploited, and keep them from being dangerous, unlicensed, uninsured drivers.

These people want work. They must want it pretty badly to risk dying of thirst in the desert, dying of heat exhaustion in locked containers, dying after being abandoned by the coyotes who took all their money, dying of illnesses that they dare not go to the hospital for, dying as they huddle over grates in cold and unforgiving northern cities in winter.

I've never wanted to work so much that I would die for it.

Most of these people will be happy to go back home, to be surrounded by the familiar sounds and scents they grew up with. At home, they can look at a stranger's face and know if that stranger is a threat. At home, they have their extended family for strength and support. But at home there are no jobs. Give them a chance to be legal guest workers and they will eagerly take it -- they don't want to die, to be exploited, to be arrested for misunderstandings, to be abused because they don't look or talk like their neighbors.

They are not an invading horde. They are people. Most of them are among the best and brightest, because it takes strength, determination, will and intelligence to travel thousands of miles and face unknown dangers to get a start in a foreign land. We should welcome such energy and industry.

Our other option would be to create a 500yd wide dead zone, the length of the border, mined and watched by machine gun towers every thousand yards. And know what? They'd get past that, too.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:04 AM
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55. bunch of fucking goose-steppers here at DU it seems.
this issue brought them out from under their rocks. :puke:
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:56 AM
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65. It's sick to see this.
but crawl out they do. I don't know how much more fight I have left in me!
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Callboy Donating Member (167 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 09:00 AM
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52. send more gop down
there to protect us
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:05 AM
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56. Just waiting for Khalid Muhammad to open his big mouth again...
...and we'll take him on, too, don't you worry about that. (KM as in the dissident Nation of Islam demagogue, not the Pakistani tied to 9/11.)
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:55 AM
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64. he died in 2001
I remember he died awhile back but googled just to verify:

tp://www.adl.org/special_reports/khalid_own_words/khalid_own_words.asp
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LeftyDarthBrodie Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:12 AM
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57. Did colmes get a pair?
Since when does he follow a line of questioning not pre-approved by Hannity?

The freepers wouldn't be supporting this movement if it wasn't a way to keep America "pure."
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:13 AM
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58. Because it beats picking our noses?
Just asking...

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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 10:53 AM
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63. Purple Supremacists?
Oh... Vikings fans!!


*snicker*


Deflection plain and simple on this one and as usual, there sat lil Alan, doing his job and buckling whenever Vannity told him it was time to.
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Bouncy Ball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 12:21 PM
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70. "full-on Mexican?"
Can someone tell me what "full-on Mexican" is? I am only a lifelong Texan, I obviously have no idea what "full-on Mexican" is...

Can you be "an undecided Mexican?"

LOL! I think he's revealing his racism just a bit with that "full-on" stuff. You are either Mexican or you aren't. Or you can be part Mexican. But full on? As in "hardcore?"

HARDCORE MEXICAN, CABRON!




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Kerrytravelers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-07-05 03:42 PM
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75. Exactly!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



I did wonder if maybe that's just his common verbage, such as "I'm a full-on Democrat." I mean, it sounds like I'm making excuses, but I'm not. I ofen say "making the scene" as in calling attention to one's self. I took a hard slam for that one.

When you speak publically, you have to think before the words fly out of your mouth!


P.S. Great picture!
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