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YEM Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:39 AM
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Has anyone heard of this Fl. "Wild West" Bill? YIKES!!
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 10:39 AM by YEM
WTF is this? Can someone shed some light on this? Is this going to be vigilante central? Are we going to have a bunch of Charles Bronsons running around?

Bush to sign 'wild West' bill allowing violent responses to threats

By Beth Kassab and Sherri M. Owens
Orlando Sentinel
Posted April 6 2005

TALLAHASSEE -- Floridians could "meet force with force" on the street, in a bar or just about anywhere else without fear of prosecution, under a bill that cleared the state Legislature on Tuesday.

Gov. Jeb Bush plans to sign the measure into law, even though opponents said it amounts to legalized dueling that could lead to simple arguments escalating into fatal fights.


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The bill (SB 436), a top priority of the National Rifle Association in Tallahassee this year, won final approval in the House on Tuesday by a 94-20 vote. Two weeks ago, it passed the Senate 39-0.

The bill essentially broadens and codifies a right Floridians already have in their homes or cars, saying that there's no need to retreat before fighting back. People attacked in their homes generally don't have to back off. But in public spaces, deadly force can be used only after trying to retreat.

The bill would take effect Oct. 1.

Opponents said the idea will legalize shootouts in the streets.

"This bill creates a wild, wild West out there," said Rep. Eleanor Sobel, D-Hollywood.

"It's a little dismaying that any responsible legislator would consider this," said Assistant State Attorney Bill Gross, who prosecutes homicides in Lake County. "This is going to make us less safe because it's going to discourage all restraint by citizens."

"As it is right now, we see tragedies in our court system every day involving citizens who don't exercise restraint," he said. "Now they are under less legal requirement to use restraint before resorting to violence. I believe this is a step backward."

Bush said he sees the law as another deterrent against crime.

"Our crime rate's dropping, and it's because of measures that allow people to protect themselves and their properties, as well as putting habitual violent offenders away for longer periods of time," he said.

Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, the House sponsor, said the law would simply grant the same protections to Floridians that other states such as California, Georgia and Tennessee already have in place. He also said it would make criminals pause before attacking someone.

"You are empowering our citizens of Florida to have a safer society," said Baxley, an NRA member, during House debate. "Some violent rape will not occur because somebody felt empowered by this bill."

But there was concern from some Democrats that the law goes too far.

"It legalizes dueling," said Rep. Dan Gelber, D-Miami Beach. "It legalizes fighting to the point of death without anybody having a duty to retreat."

NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer said the bill does not condone dueling. "The bill says that when you are attacked you may meet force with force to defend yourself. It does not condone fighting," she said.

Michael Edmondson, a spokesman for the Palm Beach State Attorney's Office, said prosecutors had no official position on the bill and it's up to citizens to determine whether it's appropriate. "It's our job to simply apply the law," he said.

Staff Writer Alva James-Johnson and Sean Mussenden of the Orlando Sentinel contributed to this report.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-fguns06apr06,0,3757819.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:41 AM
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1. here's how you commit a crime against someone you think might be packing:
Edited on Wed Apr-06-05 10:43 AM by enki23
you shoot first.

the point? this won't stop crime.

the new warcry of the put-upon 'conservative?' "if everyone who shoots someone in public is a criminal, only criminals will shoot people in public"
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:51 AM
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5. on a related note
heard an interview with the president of taser international who was talking about the new, personal version of their weapon coming to the market. recycling the line used by manufacturers of weapons since time began, he said that crime would be eliminated if everyone carried a taser . . . . un-fucking-believable . . .

:banghead:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:43 AM
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2. Lack of the law this bill promotes was the only thing missing that...
...would have given Terri Schiavo demonstrators the legal right to have stormed the Hospice Terri Schiavo was in and to kidnap her.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:45 AM
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3. Yep, it's the truth..............
they're taking an already fucked up state and turning it into WestWorld. That state is already filled with so many loonies and now they've given them carte blanch to shoot each other, and anyone else, at will. They've declared open season on minorities. It will become a "he said, she said" argument, with "she said" lying in a pool of blood and "he said" walking off Scott free. :eyes: Don't you just LOVE Florida?

I'll never set foot on that state again.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:47 AM
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4. significant change to the existing self-defense law
as it now stands, a person, unless they are in their home (or car in florida), must attempt to retreat before resorting to the use of deadly force or otherwise face charges. this bill removes that requirement and permits someone to shoot first when confronted.

the nra was a huge backer of the bill....
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 10:53 AM
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6. Westworld: Florida's newest theme park
Figures it is in Florida.

The "Stand Your Ground" act. How sick and "tuff guy" the name is.

When I heard about this on radio this morning I was dumbfounded.
Even in our world gone mad this one is a doozy.

Prince Jeb the Amoral sez"
''I'm comfortable that the bill is a bill that relates to self-defense,'' Bush said. ''It's a good, commonsense, anti-crime issue."

Tell everyone you know that , if they plan to efver visit Disneyland, Epcot and so-on, better do it before October.


Oh, and sorry, In-Laws but I'm not going to be visiting your home any more.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:01 AM
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7. Yeah, we've got folks salivating over this new one, here.
Some folks just can't wait to become a potential victim and start blasting.

That Baxley (the NRA member) in the story is a fool. Someone that would interfere with a violent rape after this that wouldn't before this new rule is pretty sad. You see a crime like this, you get involved. At least that's how I see it. My lawyer can get me out of jail. Nobody can get a victim of such a crime out of the morgue or back to their former state.
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sescob Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:13 AM
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8. Being a Floridian, this scares me
What will constitute being in 'danger'. Where is the line drawn? Does this bill *specify* what is considered an attack? Otherwise, idiots here will be shooting each other over whatever floats their boat.

What happened to Bush wanting to 'err on the side of life'??

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dhill926 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-06-05 11:56 AM
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9. on the positive side....
it gives Carl Hiaasen more grist for the mill....
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