Professor thinks pie-throwing by liberals leads to shootings

[AnnInLa]

http://www.professorbainbridge.com/2005/04/how_the_reality.html

How the Reality-Based Community Reasons with Its Opponents

Commentator and former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan cut short an appearance after an opponent of his conservative views doused him with salad dressing. "Stop the bigotry!" the demonstrator shouted as he hurled the liquid Thursday night during the program at Western Michigan University. The incident came just two days after another noted conservative, William Kristol, was struck by a pie during an appearance at a college in Indiana. (Link)

It's only a matter of time until they start using guns.

[tanyev]

1. No, we use pies and salad dressing

because we don't like guns. (At least I don't.)

[Heidi]

2. When pies are met with guns . . .

it'll all be over but the cryin' for us liberals.

[LoZoccolo]

3. DU member thinks lying by conservatives leads to shootings

As well as bombings, etcetera.

[AnnInLa]

4. Michelle Malkin finds it "chilling"

has she been hit yet?

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/001953.htm

THE MYTH OF LIBERAL TOLERANCE
By Michelle Malkin · April 01, 2005 11:24 AM

Sorry, I am not in the mood for April Fools.

Drudge linked last night to a story and video of Pat Buchanan getting attacked by a deranged college student while giving a speech. The assailant doused Buchanan's face completely with salad dressing. He screamed, "Stop the bigotry!"before charging within inches of Buchanan and nearly hitting him in the head with the bottle as well.

If you think this is funny, you are sick. This is madness and it is chilling. Where are all the free-speech defenders when you need them? Too busy defending loons like you-know-who and trying to suppress the free-speech rights of law-abiding citizens.

These physical attacks targeting conservatives on campus and in the public square are getting more frequent. (See Kristol, Coulter, Perle, Harris, and the conservative kid who got kicked by a left-wing nut professor, for starters.) The Left continues to snicker about it. The MSM makes light of it (CBS: "A Dressing-Down For Pat Buchanan"; NPR: "What's a little pie in the face?"). And for the most part, college administrators let the thugs get away with it.

These unhinged moonbats have more thoroughly exposed the great myth of liberal tolerance than any conservative critic could. For that, I suppose we should be grateful.

It is time, however, for the Left to get a grip. Get back on your meds. In the end, you are only harming yourselves.

[burythehatchet]

5. oh please please please let her vbe next

and let it be a pile of warm, moist, steamy dogshit.

[LoZoccolo]

6. That's hilarious!

If you think this is funny, you are sick. This is madness and it is chilling.

Ha ha ha ha!

:nopity:

Like putting people in concentration camps isn't chilling. This woman is such a whore!

I like how the conservatives are suddenly appealing to "free speech" when they were the first to abuse it with lying.

[fat free goodness]

10. Be careful with that line of reasoning.

"I like how the conservatives are suddenly appealing to "free speech" when they were the first to abuse it with lying."

It's OK if you are just pointing out a lie. It's not OK if you say they should not be allowed to lie. The penalty for lying is loosing credibility when you are exposed, not loosing free speech, or violence.

If we allow such attacks to take place without condemnation, even with support, expect reciprocity. Or escalation.

At the least, expect support for the policy of excluding dissenters from public events. (Hey, if I was going to speak and expected that dissenters would throw dinner at me, then I would expect them to be excluded, too.)

This is the path to anarchy and chaos.

[LoZoccolo]

11. The penalty for lying is not losing credibility.

Ann Coulter sells tons of books, etcetera. The penalty for lying is getting paid cash money.

I see what you're saying, and don't really condone this (even if I think it's funny), but people are at wit's end about what to do about these parasites. The people doing the lying simply don't care about credibility. I wish that a mechanism like the one you describe was in place, so we could get on with good ideas.

[PassingFair]

37. Oh, you're just miffed because

someone wasted the ranch dressing. Next time we'll throw basalmic vinegar...

[rodeodance]

15. This twisted logic is what people listen to and believe (that is the

danger of comments such as in the article).

[VelmaD]

16. And yet somehow "free speech zones"...

that herd anti-Bush protesters as far away as possible...those aren't "chilling"? Jeebus h christ on a popsicle stick these people are fucked up.

[mtnester]

33. Where is that ugly picture of her....

one sec, let me search...On edit, here it is:

[LoZoccolo]

35. Normally, Michelle Malkin is haut.

So that shows you how much right-wing venom can screw up your face if you let it.

[MrBenchley]

8. Swell set of priorities...

Having a guy who says publicly that the US should have joined with the Nazis in World War 2 (as Bucnhanan does) given regular national televised forums to air his odious views isn't chilling...

But having the flabby old fascist get a faceful of ranch dressing IS...

[Pachamama]

9. Good! Let's give Michelle Malkin chills! How about a nice cream

pie in that sweetie pie's face!

She makes me sick! You think she spent that much energy writing about the Red Lake School shootings and what's wrong in our society? You think she spent that much energy writing about what chills it gives her when Judge Lefkow's husband and mother were murdered?

She is the American Asian version of Ann Coulter....a hate-spewing hypocrite and a very ugly person inside and out....a pie in her face would be a significant improvement....

[Berserker]

19. Dear Michelle Malkin

Sorry, I am not in the mood for more of your right-wing hate speech.
If you would peel your lips of bush's ass for a minute and write about something important your opinion just might be taken differently. I must admit that it should not be pies or salad dressing that is childish it should be a hand full of thin shit, you know what I'm talking about it's that stuff that runs out of your mouth every time you open it.

[ContraBass Black]

23. "loons like you-know-who"

Does anyone know whom?

[d_b]

53. She needs it next.

A flaming dog shit bag right in her face.

[EFerrari]

7. Easy pie crust:

2.5 cups sifted flour
3/4 cup lard or shortening
dash salt
1/3 cup water

Mix ingredients until the consistancy of oatmeal. Shape into a ball and roll on a floured surface. Place in a greased AND floured pan. Bake @ 350 for about 10 minutes. Cool before filling.

[TWiley]

22. Is that a Martha Stewart Pie Crust recipe?

The mere thought of it would petrify the most robust conservative.

[EFerrari]

38. In that case, I got it right from Jande Fonda. : )

[MrModerate]

12. I don't approve of pie-ing, ranching-ing, bagel-ing, etc., etc.

But it's very hard to avoid the impulse to cheer when it happens.

What the professional high-dudgeoners don't get is that the targets of these victual attacks have stepped so far beyond the pale that simple rhetoric in opposition to their odious utterances no longer satisfies. Instead, we feel a need to show how contemptible they are by subjecting them to public opprobrium that is harmless but demeaning, that paints them as the wicked clowns they have proved themselves to be.

Oooh. That felt good!

However -- I really do oppose this approach because it opens us up to ridicule ourselves, and Amurrica being Amurrica, some crazy IS likely to take the next step and off one of these toads at some podunk college and then where'll we be?

While I'm not suggesting that anyone shout "look out" if they see a bus bearing down on Ann Coulter, I don't think we should risk being seen promoting a practice that could very easily turn nasty on us.

[Pepperbelly]

14. I don't know how much I agree with in your post but ...

damn, you said it well.

Excellent construction and use of language, including spot-on alliteration. :thumbsup:

[MrModerate]

17. Why, thank you.

I wish I could remember who said: "Writers only want three things -- praise, praise, and praise."

[mopaul]

13. if I were kkkristol or pat puke annon....i'd be very afraid

if you can get close enough to throw a pie, you could just as easily have a knife.

they are not universally loved let's say.

[tsuki]

18. I don't know. People used to throw vegetables and eggs. They

used to hoot and holler. I can remember it. There is actually a long history of it.

I think calling on a deranged substrata to take up arms is far more dangerous.

[kiki]

20. I'm no expert, but...

...I think that if you look at the history of political assassinations in the US and elsewhere, it ain't the left that's doing the shooting. When was the last time you heard about a right-wing political figure getting shot?

Pie in the face. Boo fuckin' hoo.

[TWiley]

21. I suppose Delay's comments

about the Judiciary are appropriate, and were not designed to incite violence against the judiciary as well.

Odly, it makes sense in a republican sort of way.

[BornLeft]

24. Comments from those people

"Its only a matter of time before they start using guns"

Oh so now you finally wake up and see what you have created? The oppressed eventually will resort to violence, and after being backed in a corner they sure are vicious. Are we finally getting your attention fascists?

[Al-CIAda]

25. Was the Boston Tea Party wrong?

In the words of John F. Kennedy, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

When will the lies, treason, and stealing from the American people end?

The government is killing by the thousands, over a lie...in our name...stealing our wealth and resources as well as other nations' -for the corporations...for the East India Company.

[Catt03]

26. Reading the responses to this thread, let me ask

you all to look at the underlying cause of all this anger.

For example, what will we do when the right succeeds in their plan to impeach "activist" judges? And they will.

What will happen when the right succeeds outlawing the filibuster to an already crippled Democratic party? And they will.

What happens when the right succeeds in their gerrymandering of state
districts where few Democrats can be elected? And they will

What happens when we become more of a theocracy than a republic due to
the power given to radical fundamentalists? And it will.

What happens when Santorum or Frist become president due to the power of money, corporate media and corporate governance? And they will.

What happens when the country is governed by one party? And it is

With all the above, I think a pie thrown here and there is no big thing.

[Al-CIAda]

27. Yes sir. -eom

[QC]

28. If pies are outlawed, only outlaws will have pies! n/t

[Al-CIAda]

29. Terrorism in Boston Harbor-

[Fleshdancer]

30. Pie doesn't kill people, people kill people!

If this country could start having an honest debate where BOTH sides are equally represented, then we would see less pie/salad dressing throwings.

Juvenille displays of civil disobedience occurs when there is no other outlet for political expression and while I disagree that guns will start replacing pies (come on, that's a stupid leap of logic) I can see how protests will lead to riots. So how bad do things have to get before the small number of Democrats in positions of power realize that the public NEEDS them to be stronger voices of opposition? It's not just the loyal Democratic voters that need this - Libertarians, Greens, Independents, traditional Conservatives, moderates...we're ALL in the same boat of frustration at this point.

[Eloriel]

31. At this point "equal representation" of "both voices" would be

insufficient, IMO. The left has been stifled -- forcibly, by fascist thugs -- for too long for a sudden "equality" to seem like equality.

Further, no offense (your comments merely reminded me of this) but I have grown terribly suspicious of appeals to having "both sides" of any situation represented: sometimes there IS no viable "other" side. Sometimes the truth is simply the truth, and should be represented as such without lies from the other side to the contrary. I'm sick to death of being told lies all day long, day in and day out. I want our media, AND our politicians, to start dealing in facts and truth instead of merely the talking points from both sides. I don't know when journalism stopped thinking of ferreting out facts and truth as one of its goals, but it sure as hell doesn't any more.

[K-W]

32. It sounds to me like professor could use a pie in the face.

Purely medicinal, he is far too uptight.

[Just Me]

34. They create the environment of opposition by being so damned hateful.

What's a little harmless, humiliating, food-tossing compared to the vile hatred they have been shoving upon the American public (and profitting from) for so many years?

I wouldn't personally advocate the food-throwing. On the other hand, I'd definitely give the food-thrower a high five. I. just. can't. help. myself.

I'm sick of self-righteous bullies imposing their emotionally abusive verbal garbage at folks.

[kineneb]

36. in the long tradition of protest, stockpile those pies!

I for one think that talking to these nutcases goes nowhere, they have closed their minds and sealed their ears.
Perhaps the judicious application of foodstuffs to the upper torso might get their attention.
Rotten tomatoes are good, and smelly, too.

[Mr.Green93]

39. Maybe they will take the hint

and STFU. No one should have to listen to their lies.

[sandnsea]

40. You'll have to pry the pie from my cold dead hands!!

Like I said to a freeper yesterday, if they promise to take care of the abortion clinic bombers and murderers, and their militia members, I'll confiscate the pie and salad dressing.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

41. BOLDNESS is a real strategy. See www.politicalstrategy.org

http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/000083.php

THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT TACTIC from the Tactical Assault Project

>snip<

Be Bold - from Tactical Assault Project

Here are some things that you should know about being BOLD:

* The bolder the lie, the better: The bolder it is, the more convincing it becomes and the more confident and truthful the liar appears. The sheer audacity distracts from the story's inconsistencies. Bush and Blair have truly taken this to heart.

* Nice guys finish last: When a person senses a weakness (niceness?) in another person, they instinctively lose respect for that person as a viable opponent. They start scheming, even if subconsciously, on how to take advantage of that weakness. This is one of those things that sounds terrible but fits perfectly into reality. I might be projecting a bit here. Nevertheless, Milquetoasts rarely have their day in the sun.

* Never Compromise: The bold never bend. It's not about being stubborn. It's about being confident in your position. People who are bold show a rigid strength, unwavering in the pursuit of their agenda, confident, unwilling to give an inch. The bold make the rules. The timid follow them. If someone senses your willingness to negotiate, compromise, back down, retreat or go on the defensive, they will instantly and instinctively enter the mode of the attacker. They will then have the upper hand.

* Boldness instills fear: Is it good to instill fear? Certainly in your opponents it is. Often in your subordinates. Rarely in your friends. Bold moves make you seem more powerful than you probably really are. It also casts an aura making you appear larger than life. Executed quickly and by surprise, the bold move instills fear and intimidates, setting a precedent that will automatically put people on the defensive in subsequent encounters. (Note: Not recommended for use in love-life)

* Enter the Room Boldly: Enter into every action with all fires burning. Enter timidly and you will inevitably fall to the demons of confusion and indecisiveness. Entering boldly creates clarity of purpose, vision for the future and focus on the objectives.

* Never Hesitate: The bold never hesitate. They work quickly and act decisively. Your hesitation is their time to think. Once they perceive your awkwardness, embarrassment and doubt, their sense of confidence instantly rises and their sense of respect for you instantly falls.

* Boldness separates you from the herd: It gives you presence while the timid fade into the background. Boldness draws attention.Those with attention have power. People stand in anticipation of what your next bold move might be.
Most people are not bold. For when bold acts are executed, there are consequences. Often negative. In reality, we may think of bold things but rarely bring them to fruition. Why is that? Generally, people want to avoid tension or conflict and be liked by everyone. People are concerned with what others will think of them. Often, the mere anticipation of criticism is enough to thwart any attempts at boldness.
How do the timid become bold? No one is born bold. It is a quality that must be developed. The only way to become bold is to act bold.With each act of boldness, it becomes easier and more natural. Once the power of boldness has been experienced, it becomes a growing taste within.
Be bold. Do something bold today.

As an experiment, engage someone in debate. Tell them that they are wrong (you choose the subject). Tell them why they are wrong and tell them that they should be embarrassed for thinking what they think. Be unapologetic. Be Bold.
As you boldly move forward, remember these things:
* Whatever the consequences are of being bold, the consequences of being timid are worse. Timidity lowers your value and creates doubt and obstacles.
* Problems that arise from bold moves can be hidden with even bolder moves.
In addition, it is important to note that timidity is not completely worthless. Strategically feigned, timidity (or "folksiness" in Bush-Speak) can build trust. This trust can be used to lure people in where you can then pounce on them with boldness.

You're not in Kansas anymore.

(snip)
So did "Downing Street" apologize for deceiving the world and presenting heavily plagiarized, years-old information put together by post-graduate students in California? Not on your life. Even after being caught red-handed, they brazenly and unapologetically retorted:


"Dismissing the gathering controversy as the latest example of media obsession with spin, officials insisted it in no way undermines the underlying truth of the dossier, whose contents had been re-checked with British intelligence sources. 'The important thing is that it is accurate,' said one source."



So there.

Indeed, such audacity seems to have become commonplace in politics. However the recent extent to which politicians have used the vehicle of brazen boldness to steamroll critics seems mind-boggling. You see, although Blair took the boldness bull by the horns this time, he was merely tromping in the shadow of the man who wrote the book, Karl Rove (To be fair, I want neither to cast blame on nor give credit to George W. Bush, who clearly has no decision making power whatsoever in this administration.)
Remember the original $1.2 trillion Bush tax cut to the wealthy (This was moderated by the senate from $1.6 trillion)? Many people were outraged by its passage.
Being a ‘uniter’ and not a divider, Bush reached out and...tried to rail through an additional $100 billion tax cut to the wealthy. This time, however, he took it one step further and mustered up the nerve to label the cut a "stimulus package". I'm sure that divisive extra step tore the fabric of Bush's 'uniter' mentality. Somehow he endured.
As if that weren't enough, Bush then proposed a $674 billion tax cut to the wealthy, once again under the guise of stimulating the economy. Problem is, 358 economists, including 10 Nobel prizewinners have officially condemned the tax cut as a hindrance, not a help to the economy.
Bush's response? "I think this is best for the country.” In addition, he continues to fight for a repeal of the estate tax, dividend tax and capital gains tax all of which heavily favor the wealthy. Any mention of cutting the payroll tax? No way! In fact, Republicans actually want to shift the tax burden back to the poor.

Enough. What is going on? Bush (and Blair) executes a brazen act.Then, after some public castigation, he follows up with an even more brazen act, and somehow gets away with it.

Q: How does he do it?
A: The underlying phenomenon that allows Bush to get away with all this is pure, unadulterated, brazen BOLDNESS.
It's true, being bold might piss off some people (like you and me) but the reality is that audacity has some very powerful effects.

[Al-CIAda]

43. Good post JOM, this is the insanity that describes their strategy. -n/t

[Generic Guy]

42. I have to admit I chuckle when we do this but,

I can't help but think if the right wing nut jobs starting doing this to our people all of a sudden we wouldn't be laughing and applauding them for exercising free speech.

[K-W]

44. I, for one, would still be laughing. They're just pies.

I almost always laugh when food hits somebody.

I think we all, on both sides, need to avoid taking things too seriously.

[Generic Guy]

45. It is funny in an animal house sort of way.

But, I seriously doubt many here would think it was funny in the least if it was our guys getting the pie treatment.

[K-W]

47. I think more people here would find it funny,

than on the right.

But overally, you are probably right.

[MisterP]

52. they're doing its equivalent on a daily basis: they're in the position of

power--approaching the absolute--and we got nothing but pies. Sort of like it can be funny to trip someone healthy into a Willy-Wonkaesque somersault, but not someone with palsy.

[Kerrytravelers]

46. It's only a matter of time until they start using guns.

Oh, kinda like the RW nut jobs in the NRA.

[K-W]

48. Pie is clearly a gateway weapon. EOM

[Al-CIAda]

51. lol

The Simple Simons need to meet the Pie man!

[Vektor]

49. I wish people would throw pies at me!

Pie is good! :-)

[Kerrytravelers]

50. Honestly, we may chuckle over it, we're only creating creme pie myrters

They may look silly with pie and salad dressing dripping off them, but it only serves to create sympathy for them. Lesser-minded people in the audience who (unbelievably enough) not as aware of how absolutely insane buchannan and kkkristol and coulter are feel kind of bad when they see someone embaressed and they see the pie or salad dressing thrower as the attacker, the one in the wrong. They also associate all Democrats or others on the left with this one action and now we're all able to be painted with the same broad brush of vandelous attacking law breaker while they are seen as the law abiding hapless victim of our brutality.

[Dr Fate]

55. I support the Pies For Lies Program. n/t

n/t

[Kerrytravelers]

56. Pies For Lies Program

That's hysterical. :rofl:

[Al-CIAda]

54. Bye-bye miss American pie...

kick

[Mr_Spock]

57. Hehe - they wish that so they could say - "see, they're nuts"

hehe - are they trying to incite a riot or soemthing?? That's illegal.

[JanMichael]

58. They were only allowing question "cards". ie. They selected the...

...questions that Patsy would respond to. By doing this the College Repukes were changing the way speakers interacted with audiance members at the school.

Plus:

"After he was hit, Buchanan cut short his question-and-answer session with the audience, saying, "Thank you all for coming, but I'm going to have to get my hair washed."

All of the articles make it sound like the racist was still making his anti-Latino presentation when in fact he was finished.

"The demonstrator, identified by authorities as a 24-year-old student at Kalamazoo Valley Community College, was arrested and faces a misdemeanor charge of disturbing the peace. He was released on a $100 cash bond, pending his April 14 arraignment."

$110 bond, not $100. Don't ask...

"He could have faced a felony assault charge, but Pat Buchanan decided to not press that charge," university spokesman Matt Kurz said."

The Republican student that kicked the salad dressing tosser once he was cuffed by the cops is the one that should face a Battery charge...

[tinonedown]

59. The Unibomber didn't use pies

Maybe he should have. I don't mind liberals throwing pies. Makes for great humor.