Blaming the CIA for "WMD" lies. What total BULLSHIT.

[LynnTheDem]

1. bush LIED.

The CIA's October 2002 NIE had pages and pages of DISSENTING OPINIONS. bush KNEW this. bush IGNORED this. bush LIED.

Even the US Senate report admitted the White House “misrepresented” classified intelligence by eliminating references to contradictory assertions.

They Knew...Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/

Doubts, Dissent Stripped from Public Version of Iraq Assessment

The public version of the U.S. intelligence community's key prewar assessment of Iraq's illicit arms programs was stripped of dissenting opinions, warnings of insufficient information and doubts about deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's intentions, a review of the document and its once-classified version shows.

As a result, the public was given a far more definitive assessment of Iraq's plans and capabilities than President Bush and other U.S. decision-makers received from their intelligence agencies.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0210-02.htm

The CIA NEVER ONCE said "there is no doubt"...BUSH DID. bush LIED.

CIA to Bush: 'No clear Evidence of WMD'
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/120103A.shtml

Why the CIA thinks Bush is wrong
The president says the US has to act now against Iraq. The trouble is, his own security services don't agree.
http://www.sundayherald.com/28384

CIA in blow to Bush attack plans

The letter also comes at a time when the CIA is competing with the more hawkish Pentagon, which is also supplying the White House with intelligence on the Iraqi threat.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,808970,00.html

White House 'exaggerating Iraqi threat'
Bush's televised address attacked by US intelligence
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,807286,00.html

Depiction of Threat Outgrew Supporting Evidence
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A39500-2003Aug9?language=printer

CIA's October 2002 NIE:

-Unmanned aircraft
" ... The Director, Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance, US Air Force, does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological warfare (CBW) agents. The small size of Iraq's new UAV strongly suggests a primary role of reconnaissance, although CBW delivery is an inherent capability."

bushit:

-"We have also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States."

CIA's October 2002 NIE:

-WMD
"We lack specific information on many key aspects of Iraq's WMD programs."

bushit:

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

"We know for a fact that there are weapons there."

"There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more."

"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly"

"There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction."

"We know where they are."

CIA's October 2002 NIE:

-Nuclear program
"The activities we have detected do not, however, add up to a compelling case that Iraq is currently pursuing what INR would consider to be an integrated and comprehensive approach to acquire nuclear weapons."

bushit:

"Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program."

2. WHO kicked the UN weapons inspectors out of Iraq before they could finish their work work, which needed another 60-90 days? The CIA???

No. We ALL know who rushed to war without letting the weapons inspectors finish their work. Yet the same lying POS bush denies ever calling Iraq an "imminent threat"; it was a "future threat", bush keeps saying. so why refuse the UN weapons inspectors the 60-90 days to finish their work, and RUSH TO WAR if Iraq had been just a "future threat"???

3. "All the CIA's fault"...so BUSH HONORS the CIA director with the US Medal of Freedom???
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/14/iraq/main660994.shtml

4. Did the CIA declare INVASION???

5. How come *I KNEW*???

How come I knew about all the dissenting expert opinions BEFORE bush's war of aggression?

How come Powell and Rice and Tenet spoke publicly about Iraq NOT having any WMD and being NO threat whatsoever mere months before bush's war of aggression?

How come most the entire world knew all about all the dissenting expert opinions BEFORE bush's war of aggression and thus OPPOSED bush's invasion of Iraq?

6. HOW COME MOST AMERICANS didn't believe bush had made his WMD case for invasion of Iraq, BEFORE bush's invasion of Iraq???

Poll: Bush hasn't made case for Iraq war
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-17-iraq-poll_x.htm

72% of Americans feel case against Iraq has not been made
http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2002/msg02303.html

Poll finds most Americans oppose unilateral action against Iraq
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/4927419.htm

7. HOW COME MOST AMERICANS wanted the UN weapons inspectors to be given time to finish their work?

US Public Want to Give UN Inspectors More Time

Seven in 10 Americans would give U.N. weapons inspectors months more to pursue their arms search in Iraq, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll that found growing doubts about an attack on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A23564-2003Jan21¬Found=true

8. HOW COME MOST AMERICANS OPPOSED invading Iraq UNLESS the UN inspectors FOUND actual hidden WMD?



Now WHY did bush kick the UN weapons inspectors out of Iraq and rush to war??? WHY didn't bush mention all those multiple dissenting experts' opinions on Iraq's "WMD"??? WHY did bush constantly say there was NO DOUBT, when the CIA's own reports VERY CLEARLY state there was a lot of doubt???

And WHY is the CIA now being blamed for BUSH'S LIES???

*Note: this is not LynnTheDem posting, it only looks like LynnTheDem posting while her hubby is away for the day. :D

[BlueEyedSon]

1. Scream it from the rooftops sister!

Unfortunately, the winners write the history books (or the bogus CYA reports).

[FreedomAngel82]

5. Yes

Definietly scream it. These people will do anything to take credit away from them and blame someone else. I'm sick and tired of it. People need to realize Bush is the top dog and he's the one who makes the decisions. He LIED and he had horrible leadership with this. He didn't work or listen to anybody unless they went along with his plans.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. It is perfectly clear that they knowingly used ancient "intelligence"

that had already been debunked as a basis for the scare that led to the war. And it is clear that they planned to "admit" that the "intelligence" was faulty at this later date, after the fact, when it is far too late to do anything about it.

[seabeyond]

3. bush LIED.

no shit. the greater headline to blast to the world

BUSH TELLS THE TRUTH

now that would be unique

[tubbacheez]

4. Note that no individuals were blamed, just a collective failure.

As if to say, "Hey, everybody did their best, and this is what we got."

[lutefisk]

19. Bush Administration tactic: insinuate...

The Bush administration are masters of the dark art of insinuation. They think because of their dishonest wordplay, no court will ever be able to prove any of the Bush Administration crimes.

[tubbacheez]

29. good way of putting it. n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

6. This is one reason the CIA is being "hollowed out," in Hersh's phrase

The Bush admin doesn't want anyone to be able to tell where the bodies are buried or to make visible objections to their future crimes.

I am hoping there are some more retired CIA professionals that will be so royally pissed by this that they will step forward and out some more lies. Especially the ones about the 9/11 attacks.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. Excellent post. Facts tell the real story. Thanks!

[Poiuyt]

8. I especially like reason #5

I know that I've thought that way also. I think most of us here knew what was going on with Bush and his phony reasons. Even Paul Wolfowitz said that the only reason that they used WMD as the reason for invading was because that would be the easiest to sell the American people.

And how come nobody ever mentions the Office of Special Plans?

[Hissyspit]

11. Stovepiping! Don't for get Cheney's complicity...

It's not all just Bush...

[me b zola]

9. great post

nominated

[Hissyspit]

10. Lynn, I was looking for you tonight; gonna suggest you do just THIS post!

I wanted to do it, but knew you would have the better information, went looking and found you had done it. Nominated!

[LynnTheDem]

17. I've a huge pile of links to experts who dissented every single "evidence"

spouted by bush & Cartel. Every single one. By the world's TOP experts in each of the particular fields.

The problem for posting is which of the 100s of links to leave out. :D

[Hissyspit]

20. Really. It's been so hard to keep up with it all...

I, too, have piles of info, but it's LITERALLY in piles. There's a couple of piles in my bedroom. Three or four in the office here.

I'm just no way as organized as you, and this whole post is just to: KICK!

[H2O Man]

26. Great job!

Very impressive. There is more truth in your post than the public will get from any other source. I think that this is the single most important issue for people on the left to be writing LTTE on now. It is not necessary to try to include all of this wonderful information in a single letter to a newspaper. Just pick one section, and let's start responding to this white-wash.

[tuvor]

12. Sorry for posting this cartoon again, but it's so perfect.

BTW this should all go in the Demopedia.

[EFerrari]

13. Are the Dimson's puppet masters' TAUNTING the CIA?

We all know BushCo planned Iraq BEFORE he was installed. And, all these debacles later, it's always CIAs fault.

Do they think they *can* hollow out CIA?

BUSH LIED, CHENEY LIED, CONDASLEEZA LIED, POWELL LIED, WOLFOWITZ LIED, RUMSKULL LIED, TO US AND TO THE WORLD. AND WE ALL KNOW IT. ICE CREAM TRUCKS IN DITCHES ARE NOT MOBILE WEAPONS LABS. ALUMINUM TUBES ARE ALUMINUM TUBES.

9/11 began on January 20, 2001. And, until this Cabal is gone, there is NO post 9/11.

[LynnTheDem]

15. Speaking of them "mobile weapons labs", a lot of USers don't know this yet

Most sentient Americans (ie no rightwingnuts) know that those "winnebagos of death" were just what the Iraqis and the UK experts and the DoD and DIA said they were for; artillery weather balloons. Which are not illegal and have never been illegal for Iraq to have.

Even the US State Dept disagreed about them being weapons labs;
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/26/1056449368283.html

But a lot of Americans are missing out on the most hilarious bit of irony with these "mobile death-labs"; GUESS who SOLD those "death-mobiles" to Iraq?

:D :D :D :D :D

Marconi Command & Control.

A BRITISH company.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,977853,00.html

The equipment was sold to Iraq in 1987 by the British Marconi company, now known as AMS, when both Washington and London were supporting Saddam Hussein’s regime in its war against Iran.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2003/542/542p15b.htm

:D :D :D :D :D

[EFerrari]

16. Pssssssssst -- don't tell the Resident!

Remember when he cited them as proof WMDs had been found?

In his act, my husband said -- before the war started, "We know what Saddam has. We have the receipts!" I wrote that and, good news, it's been repeated/found/spontaneously created by many performers.

We KNOW, Lynn. We KNEW THEN and we STILL KNOW!

[Tactical Progressive]

14. The excuse they gave for not condemning BushCo

was that their mission was only to look at the CIA and their intelligence gathering leading up to the Iraq war. Nobody, which is to say none of the right-wingers that right-wingers always manage to investigate their own, wanted to get into how the information was used.

Or apparently how it was twisted in the first place.

My balanced view on this is that their scapegoating the CIA is pure corruption. Corruption which the corporate media propagandists will push as the truth with all due diligence that they have become famous for.

[LynnTheDem]

18. 2000 GOP Party Platform;

"Nor should the intelligence community be made the scapegoat for political misjudgments."

http://www.gop.com/RNC404.aspx?aspxerrorpath=/About/PartyPlatform/Default.aspx

What can ya say...they're the most hypocritical lying MFers on the planet.

[LynnTheDem]

30. A few more...which is the most hypocritical? Imagine trying to decide!

The 2000 GOP platform vowed that the Bush administration would tighten "lax" immigration policies

The 2000 GOP platform promised that medical privacy would be protected

The 2000 GOP platform criticized nation building

The 2000 GOP platform criticized Vice President Al Gore for wanting America to act as a ‘global social worker’

The GOP platform promised that Republicans would defend the First Amendment

The 2000 GOP platform criticized the Clinton administration's record on troops' health care and veterans’ benefits

The 2000 GOP platform blamed the Clinton administration for America’s low standing in the Middle East -- and for high gas prices

The 2000 GOP platform chided the Clinton administration for not supporting the Iraqi National Congress, headed by Ahmad Chalabi

The 2000 GOP platform accused the Clinton administration of alienating America's allies

The 2000 GOP platform denounced rigged elections and gerrymandering.

Most hypocritical MFers on the planet.

[Hissyspit]

21. AP posts list of Intelligence Agencies' Record on Iraq Weapons:

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBJPVF207E.html

Oh, yeah. It's all THEIR fault. Not the disingenuous leadership of this nation, armed with their own agenda...

"Before the Iraq invasion, the Bush administration asserted that Iraq possessed chemical and biological weapons and was developing nuclear weapons. Officials also alleged Iraq was working on prohibited long-range missiles and drones that could disperse biological agents.
The presidential intelligence commission examined each of the U.S. intelligence community's prewar assertions on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and reached these conclusions:

Nuclear weapons: Wrong."

MORE

[Disturbed]

22. Tenet sold his soul.

This lying asshole sat behind Powell, the Bush Junta's other house negro, as the manure was spread before the world.

[cthrumatrix]

23. simple....telling people America needs to kill for oil was the other optio

[B Calm]

24. With Bush poll numbers dropping, one can't help but wonder

what will happen next..

[d_b]

25. CIA taking the heat for the White House

Some things never change.

[spooky3]

27. Don't confuse me with actual evidence!

I don't want to clutter up my beautiful mind.
--Barbie

[Hissyspit]

28. kick

[EVDebs]

31. Office of Special Plans trumps Central Intelligence Agency

Unelected group designated by Cheney and Bush were designated to stovepipe 'intelligence'. Isn't this an impeachable offense of abuse of a federal agency, just as Nixon was charged with in his impeachment ? It seems OBVIOUS, but we must ask why doesn't a Democrat or an independent put an impeachment bill out ?

[jazzjunkysue]

32. I thought it was the Office of Special Plants.

[Hissyspit]

33. kickin agin n/t

[Zorra]

34. kick

[Algorem]

35. kick

[LunaC]

36. Why is the CIA taking the heat for the OSP?

"It is important to shape circumstances..........."- PNAC Statement of Principles

The Office of Special Plans (OSP) was a secret group of analysts and policy advisors with no status in the intelligence community. Nevertheless they reported directly to the White House and National Security office with cherry-picked intelligence from questionable sources to support the case for invading Iraq. The OSP circumvented formal, well-established oversight procedures, ignored intelligence that didn't further their agenda, expanded the intelligence on weapons beyond what was justified and over-emphasized the national security risk. They became more influential than the C.I.A. or the Defense Intelligence Agency who didn't even know the ultra-secret OSP existed for at least a year.

Because they were based in the Pentagon, it was assumed that the OSP was an intelligence-gathering agency that was second-guessing the C.I.A. but in actuality it was the White House Military Marketing Machine charged with the task of writing the PNAC's "Get Saddam" sales pitch for the public. Shading and bending reality to suit their own purpose, it wasn't important for the OSP's stories about Saddam to be factual, only that the average American believed them to be - in true Hollywood fashion.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030512fa_fact


From "PNAC 101 - Rise of the Neocons"
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php?title=PNAC_101

[tabasco]

37. Don't people have short memories these days?

Early on, I don't remember the CIA cheerleading us into war. It was only after Cheney and Rummy set up their own intel cell to filter out the UNWANTED INTEL.

[LynnTheDem]

39. Remember Faux Moos was blasting Powell and the CIA for OBSTRUCTING

bush's push for war because Powell & the CIA kept saying there WAS DOUBT?

It ain't "short memory" with the rightwingnuts; it's SELECTIVE memory.

[BlueIris]

38. Kick...because, duh. n/t

[Wonk]

40. kick, nt

[Jose Diablo]

41. Surely you cannot expect anyone in the administration to accept

responsibility for lying to congress to obtain a Declaration of War.

If they acknowledged what they had done, well, many people would see that as treason against the people. Who knows, it could even bring down many if not most of congress as well.

Way I see it, congress knew, and was part of all this crap going on. Both sides of the aisle, with a very few that have remained innocent.

It is not just at the federal level we see the deep corruption. Both state and local levels are also rotten as week old eggs left in the sun.

Not sure when or exactly how all this came about. The War on Drugs certainly helped allow with the corrupting influence of extreme profit. But in truth, I think its been very corrupt as long as I have been walking the earth and thats more than a half a century.

Whats really different these days, is the corruption within the media, in addition to the agents of our government.

[Algorem]

42. Are we going to let them get away with it?

HELL NO! "I hate these guys"